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While deployed this is one of the few "vise's" left for soldiers
I understand that it is offensive to some people, but if that is the case
package it in black plastic.

the last Playboy that I read had very little to do with "Porn"




Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Stars and Stripes | Seth Robson | May 05, 2008
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GRAFENWOHR, Germany -- Legislation that would restrict the sale of certain men's magazines on U.S. military bases around the world would be bad for morale, according to soldiers at Grafenwöhr.
U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., has introduced legislation that would close a loophole in the current law that allows the sale of some sexually explicit material on military bases by lowering the threshold required to deem material "sexually explicit."
A Department of Defense committee that reviews materials sold on bases ruled last year that magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse are not pornographic. But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act includes language that could make those magazines eligible for the ban.
The prospect of missing out on men's magazines was not welcomed by soldiers at Grafenwöhr.
"We all read 'em," said Pfc. Paul Rubio, 31, of Bakersfield, Calif. "There are times we just read 'em for the technological parts like the new gadgets that come out. They have good stories sometimes too."
Sgt. Simon Brown, 34, of Daytona Beach, Fla., said men's magazines build morale. "It's not all about the pictures, although 80 percent of it is," he said.
Pfc. Greg Smith, 21, of Northboro, Mass., a regular Playboy reader, said soldiers should be allowed to buy nudie magazines at the exchange.
"Playboy is good entertainment while you are on the can. They have jokes and good stories," he said.
Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.
"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.
The legislation would require the DOD to annually review material that is not currently deemed sexually explicit to determine if it should be prohibited, according to the Web site.
Some soldiers say magazines that could be banned are particularly important downrange.
Brown deployed to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2005 and is preparing to go to Iraq with the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade this summer. When he was in Afghanistan he was one of the first to pick up a new copy of Maxim or FHM when it came out, he said.
"It would suck if they ban it," he said. "It's bad enough we are down there to begin with. Taking that away would be like a knife in the chest. I'm not saying I'm depending on Maxim to keep me alive over there, but it helps."
Publications such as Maxim and FHM are not named by Broun, but lowering the threshold of the sexually explicit definition might mean such magazines would be targeted for a ban.
Some troops in the Pacific region said the proposed legislation would impinge upon their personal freedoms.
"They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please."
Other than on base, there's no place in South Korea to buy magazines like Playboy, he said.
"I believe it's a breach of freedom of speech," said Senior Airman Garrett Deese, 25, of Elk Grove, Calif., who just completed a tour with the 8th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.
He said he wonders whether such a ban would lead to barring other types of magazines lawmakers chose to challenge. He also questioned whether Broun's link between magazines and sexual assaults within the military would stand close scrutiny.
At Yokota Air Base, Japan, military spouse Roberta Woolley said she understands the need for balance between rules and individual rights, but said the military has tougher standards than the rest of American society.
"It's a good idea," she said of the proposed ban. "I think there's better literature out there.... In the military, we sell cigarettes and alcohol legally. But it's also questionable whether they promote a healthy lifestyle.
"I've seen all these magazines, and they don't make men or women intelligent or beautiful. And even though they're hidden, there is still exposure to children as well. It's the parents' responsibility to give ideas about body awareness to their children. I don't think Mr. Hefner presents a positive image of men or women in his magazine."
A female soldier at Grafenwöhr -- Sgt. Pou McCall, 23, of Riverside, Calif. -- said men's magazines don't bother her a lot, but she'd support a ban.
"What if it was their (soldiers') sisters (in the magazines)? It doesn't take a magazine for sexual harassment to happen but it increases it," she said.
Army and Air Force Exchange service public relations manager Judd Anstey said AAFES sold $231,000 worth of Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl magazines in Europe last year.
"Sales of these three titles account for 2.7 percent of total European magazine sales ($8.5 million) at AAFES facilities," he said.
The sales accounted for 0.5 percent of worldwide AAFES magazine sales of $46.4 million, he said.
Stars and Stripes' reporters Vince Little, Franklin Fisher and Erik Slavin contributed to this report
 
"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.

Wow, really? I'd love to see the statistics that prove that letting servicemen/women purchase nudie mags "escalates the number of violent sexual crimes".

And if you want to talk about "eroding the family", Mr. Broun, what do you think it does to a family when papa twiddles his thumbs in a third-world sandtrap through stop-loss order after stop-loss order?! But yeah, the divorce rate among servicepeople is so high because of Playboy. :rolleyes:

Moral standing? Moral Standing? They've invaded your country and are walking around with machines designed to maim and kill, and you think that people are worried about the fact that they're looking at pictures of *******? Really?
 
so gays arent allowed in the military and apperantly straights arent very welcome either. whos going to fight our wars?
 
You know, reading that was like being stuck back in a time warp or something. Next what will happen? What if someone wants to look at a little nudity, and they just look it up on the internet? Maybe we should ban the internet from the soldiers that are deployed!

Ridiculous. I'd be very curious to see these studies that prove that the rise in sexual assaults is due to these magazines. Or even if it's true that there is a distinct rise in sexual assaults.

I haven't seen a Playboy magazine since my husband stopped getting them years ago. But I don't see anything offensive in them. That is just stupid.
 
So they're fighting for the people's freedoms and people are taking theirs away?

Actually, I've read articles that suggest that online pornography has DECREASED the incidence of sexual assault. The guys who would normally be prone to that sort of thing are getting their jollies off online and it takes away the urge to attack someone in real time. I don't know if it applies to hard copies or not, but I'll bet sexual frustration would increase without a safe outlet.
 
What is going to happen if our troops forget what they are fighting for?? Its not just freedom but remembering what they have to come home too. The world is going nuts...
 
So they're fighting for the people's freedoms and people are taking theirs away?

Actually, I've read articles that suggest that online pornography has DECREASED the incidence of sexual assault. The guys who would normally be prone to that sort of thing are getting their jollies off online and it takes away the urge to attack someone in real time. I don't know if it applies to hard copies or not, but I'll bet sexual frustration would increase without a safe outlet.


I agree fully

I feel that if this goes through it will cause more problems for the U.S. military
 
As far as whether or not Playboy and other magazines like it cause an increase in sexual assaults, I say BS. The next step will be to get rid of the fitness magazines because the models in them have very little clothes on!
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To me it sounds like a conservative politician trying to further his moral cause. (and I tend to be conservative! Well, maybe I'm not as conservative as I once was...)
 
I personally believe our troops should get whatever they need to take a little of the edge off. If that's brewskies or smokes or porn then so be it. Their facing death on a daily basis and now were telling them they can't have playboy's? That sort of silliness certainly won't boost moral one bit. I say we pool together a bunch of nudie mag's and send them to our troops, and give the geniuses that came up with this BS a big middle finger.
 
As far as whether or not Playboy and other magazines like it cause an increase in sexual assaults, I say BS. The next step will be to get rid of the fitness magazines because the models in them have very little clothes on!
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To me it sounds like a conservative politician trying to further his moral cause. (and I tend to be conservative! Well, maybe I'm not as conservative as I once was...)

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You sound Libertarian

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As to the OP, This is why I can't understand the gov't
 
I personally believe our troops should get whatever they need to take a little of the edge off. If that's brewskies or smokes or porn then so be it. Their facing death on a daily basis and now were telling them they can't have playboy's? That sort of silliness certainly won't boost moral one bit. I say we pool together a bunch of nudie mag's and send them to our troops, and give the geniuses that came up with this BS a big middle finger.

+1

Cheers my friend :mug:
 
I personally believe our troops should get whatever they need to take a little of the edge off. If that's brewskies or smokes or porn then so be it. Their facing death on a daily basis and now were telling them they can't have playboy's? That sort of silliness certainly won't boost moral one bit. I say we pool together a bunch of nudie mag's and send them to our troops, and give the geniuses that came up with this BS a big middle finger.



I will post my address when I get over there

niquejim

I don't understand the government either !
 
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