Irish Stout Malt

[grrickar]

Anyone used this, and if so care to share the recipe? The HBS store I went to yesterday talked me into it instead of Briess 2-row. I plan to brew some IPAs, and ESBs mostly. I do stouts occasionally too.

The ironic thing is for it to be called Stout Malt, its Lovibond is really low. It is meant more as a base malt for the stout, and some reading reveals some say it is close to Golden Promise. The owner of the brew shop said he got a really high efficiency out of an SMaSH IPA.

I'm just getting into AG, so still figuring it all out. The malt is from Ireland, and I love most everything about the place so figure I will give it a try. I got a deal on a 55lb bag, and figure I can swap several lbs of it for some 2-row if I want from my brew buddies.

https://bsgcraftbrewing.com/malt-co-ireland-stout-malt25k

Same company does other malts too - https://bsgcraftbrewing.com/Resources\CraftBrewing\PDFs\Product_Sheets\MCI/mci_malts.pdf

 

[supermutantbrewmaster]

My lhbs carries this as well. I didn't use it for my last stout as I was unsure of the flavor profile. Have you used it yet? If so, have you tasted it yet?

 

[grrickar]

My lhbs carries this as well. I didn't use it for my last stout as I was unsure of the flavor profile. Have you used it yet? If so, have you tasted it yet?

I have not brewed with it, but the taste won me over. It was a bit more expensive than two row. It is light in color, and the LHBS owner said they did a SMASH IPA with it and it was stellar. Since I like IPAs and planned to brew some, I bought a sack.

I don't have a grain mill yet, which is why I haven't tried it.

 

[william_shakes_beer]

From the description, its a 2 row base malt that's grown in ireland rather than in the US. Not sure it'll be any real difference from american 2 row. Is it the same price?

 

[armedcor]

It's the propino strain of barley that's grown here in Ireland. Nice big fat kernels. I used it once but as I had speciality malt etc didn't get an idea of its flavor. I'm hoping to take a drive to the maltster some day and pick up a bag or two. It's incredibly cheap.

 

[gwaugh]

I used it recently to make a session IPA recipe I got off Michael Dawson's blog: http://thebeerengineblog.com/2015/01/06/utterly-groundbreaking-last-year-session-ipa/#more-1338.
It turned out pretty great but I might increase the late hop additions for my own taste in the next batch.

 

[grrickar]

It's the propino strain of barley that's grown here in Ireland. Nice big fat kernels. I used it once but as I had speciality malt etc didn't get an idea of its flavor. I'm hoping to take a drive to the maltster some day and pick up a bag or two. It's incredibly cheap.

Not here in the States it isn't. It is more than American grown 2 row. I'm sure we pay more for the trip across the pond.

LHBS guy told me he gets crazy high efficiency from it without breaking a sweat. /shrug

 

[Baldy246]

I'm currently brewing a Pale with the Irish Stout I bought yesterday. I haven't taken any measurements but my shop owner told me the same thing. I'm excited about it!

Grrickar, I am from Columbus. What LHBS do you go to?

 

[armedcor]

Not here in the States it isn't. It is more than American grown 2 row. I'm sure we pay more for the trip across the pond.

LHBS guy told me he gets crazy high efficiency from it without breaking a sweat. /shrug

I can imagine! If i drive to the maltster its about 20 Euro a 25kg sack but getting to them is the problem.

 

[grrickar]

I'm currently brewing a Pale with the Irish Stout I bought yesterday. I haven't taken any measurements but my shop owner told me the same thing. I'm excited about it!

Grrickar, I am from Columbus. What LHBS do you go to?

I don't have a LHBS store per se, so it is Dayton or Columbus for me. One day I'll make a trip to AIH in Ann Arbor. I picked up the Irish Stout malt at Buckeye Brewcraft. Most of the locals here go to Brewtensils in Dayton. I am hoping to meet up with some guys that own craft brew pubs and try to get in some group buys.

Shipping grain kills most any deal that I can find online.

 

[Baldy246]

I don't have a LHBS store per se, so it is Dayton or Columbus for me. One day I'll make a trip to AIH in Ann Arbor. I picked up the Irish Stout malt at Buckeye Brewcraft. Most of the locals here go to Brewtensils in Dayton. I am hoping to meet up with some guys that own craft brew pubs and try to get in some group buys.

Shipping grain kills most any deal that I can find online.

Nice! I am in Buckeye Brewcraft usually once a week at least getting something!! Jim has a very special place! He has helped me get to where I am at today.

 

[grrickar]

Nice! I am in Buckeye Brewcraft usually once a week at least getting something!! Jim has a very special place! He has helped me get to where I am at today.

It was my first time there, as I had just been ordering extract kits from Midwest. I had just gotten back into brewing, did a few extract batches, now I am doing AG and needed a few stacks.

Jim is who talked me into the Irish Stout malt. I am thinking of brewing a Smithwick's Irish Red clone with it.

 

[grrickar]

Doing a dark IPA with this as the base malt this weekend. Will post back with the results.

 

[grrickar]

I did not have everything I needed for a dark IPA, so I decided to do a pale ale. I used 9lbs of irish stout malt, 2 lbs victory, and 1 lb MO. I hopped with cascade.

Beersmith predicted 1.050 FG, I got 1.064! My APA is looking more like an IPA!

I mashed at 151F for 60 min, then fly sparged with 168F water to collect 6.5gallons.

Going to do a Guinness clone with it this weekend.

 

[Baldy246]

Finally bottling my Irish Stout Pale Ale this morning. Smells awesome. Used warrior, columbus, and Equinox hops. I'll post my results in a couple weeks.

 

[grrickar]

I did not have everything I needed for the Guinness clone so I did an Irish Red. I did not hit my gravity this time, I was low. Not sure what the heck happened. I probably screwed up when I weighed everything out...

Still it turned out a deep ruby red and really clear going into the fermenter. I have high hopes for it. I just pitched the yeast. Now the agony of waiting....

 

[FlakeBrew]

Hey gang, I'm a newbie here but it looks like we all use the same LHBS. I recently picked up some Irish Stout Malt from Buckey Brewcraft as well. I went in to get some 2-row and Jim talked me into the ISM.

I used it this weekend for my first AG brew, and I got pretty bad efficiency, around 58-60%. Curious if any others have had a low efficiency with the ISM, or if maybe it was a result of my setup. I batch sparged with 13 pounds of ISM and 6 oz of Amber. Mashed in with 4.5 gallons for one hour at 154 degrees. Returned 2.5 gallons of wort. Sparged with 4.5 gallons and returned about 4.5 gallons. My corrected pre-boil gravity was ~ 1.044. After my boil, I had 5 gallons and an OG of 1.054.

I realize now that I probably should have started with a higher volume of strike water, but is there anything else that you may see an issue? Are you generally happy with the crush at Buckeye Brewcraft, I didn't take a good look at the mill to see what settings it had.

There isn't too much information about the ISM on the internet. If everyone who has used ISM from Buckeye Brewcraft could post their results I think we could get a handle on this product. I'll try to remember to update this thread when we taste the brew, it's the same as yoopers dogfish head 60 minute IPA recipe, with the ISM as a replacement for 2-row.

Cheers,

Eric

 

[Baldy246]

I can't really speak to efficiency as mine has never been good. However, I've only brewed around 10 AG batches and I have just recently felt I really got my system dialed in to where I know what it can do. My efficiency started at low 50s batch sparging to now I'm mid 60s with a fly sparge. I did not see any spike in efficiency with this grain. I have never milled my own grain or know anything about settings so I can't speak to what BBC settings are at. I can see as a business owner, selling thousands of pounds of grain a year, maybe you wouldn't want your grain milled perfectly. You're talking lots of money it could cost you. Especially when you know you are the only LHBS around. I don't think that it's anything unethical, just keeping it moderately set for all customers. I think doing it yourself you would surely see a huge boost in efficiency.

I snuck a bottle of my ISM that I bottled a week ago and it's not ready. Still flat. Tasted promising though. Maybe this weekend we will try again.

 

[blackbeer]

i used the ism for a stout last month and just tapped the keg. mmmm mmmm good. i never figured my conversion rate but i used 10lbs and 1 lb of dme and ended up at 1.070 for a 5 gal batch.

 

[FlakeBrew]

Thanks for the quick reply guys. I'll post an update when the beer is finished. Probably in at least a month and a half.

Cheers

 

[WouldBeBrewmaster]

I'm assuming that it's the same Irish Stout Malt Northern Brewer sells.

I used it in an Irish red and stout with 2lbs of flaked barley and both times my BIAB efficiency was around what it usually is. Both beers came out excellent. The stout seemed to have more malt complexity than a milk stout I brewed with US 2-row. I am a firm believer in terrior when brewing regional styles.

I just brewed an English Golden ale this weekend with 95% stout malt, and 5% flaked maize. That will be the best indication as to the malt flavor.

 

[FlakeBrew]

I'm assuming that it's the same Irish Stout Malt Northern Brewer sells.

I used it in an Irish red and stout with 2lbs of flaked barley and both times my BIAB efficiency was around what it usually is. Both beers came out excellent. The stout seemed to have more malt complexity than a milk stout I brewed with US 2-row. I am a firm believer in terrior when brewing regional styles.

I just brewed an English Golden ale this weekend with 95% stout malt, and 5% flaked maize. That will be the best indication as to the malt flavor.

Yep. Thats the same malt that buckeye brewcraft is pushing. Thanks for the information.

 

[grrickar]

I have never used Golden Promise, but some in other forums have compared it to this.

I have had higher efficiencies than normal, and lower efficiencies than normal. Likely due to process and not the malt.

 

[FlakeBrew]

Just popped my first bottle from our Dogfish Head 60 minute clone using the Irish Stout Malt. It tastes lovely. I'm sure when we get our prices down we will pull higher efficiencies. Highly recommend the ISM AND Yoopers DFH 60 minute clone find at https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showpost.php?p=252520&postcount=1