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Bleach is perfect for cleaning equipment with or without an infection. If you have been using a sponge or soft cloth to clean your buckets, you shouldn't have any scratches. So a good bleach soak will kill any bacteria from the infection. Racking tube I would throw away since they are really cheap. Even buckets are pretty cheap but still $15 or so.

Bleach is totally safe as long as you rinse it. Many doctors say to soak baby toys in a bleach solution (and rinse after) once in a while to kill germs.

After the bleach and rinse, soak in a sanitizer and you will be good to go.
 
I soak my fermenter and bottling bucket in bleach. My dilution rate, hmm let's see why does everyone over think everything . People have made the best beer in the world with the crustiest equipment .

Beer is an ancient drink, do you think in ancient Greece they calculated dilution rates for sanitizer.

We have come a long way yes, things have changed and we take several steps some technical to make good beer. You could make a beer without proper handling but of course we don't recommend it.

I fill buckets with warm water and splash some bleach in and allow to soak, using paper towel to gently scrub any trub or Krausen left overs. I use electric kettle to boil water to rinse and rinse well then cover with lid until I need them.

I have some rinse free sanitizer in a spray bottle that I use prior to equipment use.

I believe this method to be simple but 100% effective.
 
What do you think is the cause of those attributes? Let's say it together "Genes!"

What are you doing to get the attributes.
"You modify the Genes!"

We will pick it up when you get back...

This is the last post I'll make in this thread pertaining to this subject because I know it is off topic. I'll open a new thread need be in the debate section for any further need of clarity for further elucidation.

For anyone in the dark about Monsanto this is a clip with actually historic footage and documentation (although all you need to do is just ask your local farmers and you will have more than enough information)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ5OxdIq5DY]Monsanto: Extinction - YouTube[/ame]

Clarification on GMO's

Genetically Modifying or engineering has to do with the biology of an organism manipulated in it's DNA structure by injection or other means of viruses, bacteria, or chemicals not associated with its prior makeup present. Jeffrey M. Smith explains, "Some GM varieties of corn and cotton are poison producers, equipped with a gene from the soil bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis to produce insect-killing Bt-toxin" (2009).

Doctors from around the globe remain hesitant due to sufficient data, test trials and other measures taken for the assurance of future or present health implications. Even scientists and doctors expressed concern here in the US, "According to documents released from a lawsuit, FDA scientists repeatedly warned that GM foods can create hard-to-detect allergies, poisons, new diseases, and nutritional problems" (Smith, 2009).

Other countries around the world are adament about not having Americanized seeds or other processed goods present, "Europeans insist that such food be clearly labeled, a vivid contrast with U.S. consumers, who don't appear bothered that so much of their processed food includes genetically engineered soy and corn and isn't labeled as such." (Moore, 2008). Farmers also weigh in their frustrations. From their qualms with Monsanto to the corn used to feed their livestock. "No one knows why animals refuse GMOs, but according to the American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM), people should follow their example. AAEM cites a host of problems in lab animals fed GMOs, including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin and cholesterol regulation, and damage to major organs and the gastrointestinal system." (Smith, 2009)

Micheal Taylor is an interesting individual, as a former head of the FDA's GMO policies and affiliated with Monsanto might warrant some introduction. "Michael Taylor, the former attorney of biotech giant Monsanto, to head up the FDA’s GMO policy. That policy ignored the scientists and declares that Monsanto and others can determine if their own foods are safe. There are no required safety studies. After leaving the FDA, Taylor later became Monsanto’s vice president. In 2009, he was reinstalled at the FDA as the U.S. Food Safety Czar. (Smith, 2009)


References
The Iowa Source. Doctors say no to GMO's. (M. Smith, Jeffrey. 2009)

Organic Consumers Association. Monsanto's Genetically Engineered Beer Falls Flat in Europe. Associated Press. (Moore, Matt. 2008)



Been awhile since I used APA style format, didn't really develop a thesis statement. I could write out a real document on this but something tells me people wouldn't really care...

But if anyone wants any more info hit me up and I'll be glad to share information with them :mug:
 
nothing, nobody.... this is truly sad. At least some contention.?

This is more than pertinent because unless I'm off my rocker.. grains and hops are part of the agriculture industry. And unless I need to cite more sources this is clearly happening to the brew craft industry.
 
Makes perfect sense when I can just use Star San.

I use Bleach. Why? Because I can buy a gallon of it for $1 at Dollar Tree and thats lasts a LONG time. A 10% solution of bleach followed by a good rinse with water is fine. I have never had a single infection, and I use tap water.

Theres no point in debating it. It's just like Windows vs Linux, AMD vs Intel, Kegs vs Bottles, I could go on all day. If you want to pay for star san thats great, but don't knock bleach like it doesn't work just fine.
 
Theres no point in debating it. It's just like Windows vs Linux, AMD vs Intel, Kegs vs Bottles, I could go on all day. If you want to pay for star san thats great, but don't knock bleach like it doesn't work just fine.

The issue wasn't if bleach works or not, it was the chemical reactions resulting from using bleach (i.e. the formation of chloroamines, damage to stainless steel, etc).
 
If I was cleaning up a crime scene and bleach and star san were the only two products available, guess which one I would pick.:rockin:
 
badbrew said:
If I was cleaning up a crime scene and bleach and star san were the only two products available, guess which one I would pick.:rockin:

Kind of irrelevant...

I wouldn't dilute that bleach either - would you recommend sanitizing your equipment with undiluted bleach?
 
Just as an update, I tasted this beer and it tastes pretty nice currently. It's only been conditioning for a few days, so it's not ready. When I poured it it had a 2 finger head and was pretty clear (not crystal clear but almost). Other than a slight bitterness and a flat taste, there were no off-tastes to this beer.

So did the OP not have a problem after all?
 
I soak my fermenter and bottling bucket in bleach. My dilution rate, hmm let's see why does everyone over think everything .

this.

i use starsan (i like the bubbles and it smells nice), but i have used bleach with good sucess. splash, add water. **** it, its bleach. just make sure you rinse it when you're done.
 
So did the OP not have a problem after all?

So far so good. I'll be trying the beer tonight again to see if there are any off flavors. Last time I tasted it there was a bitterness to it that was not supposed to be there, but I believe that's due to the fact that I didn't whirlpool and there was hop pellet sediment in my primary for 4 weeks lol.
 

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