I was looking to start a micro brewery and was looking for some partners

[BlackForestBrewery]

Why baby gloves? I don't think anyone's asked him any questions that are unreasonable at all. If you can't handle answering questions like those posed, you aren't going to get any investors or any other partners. If you can't answer tough questions (and really, business planning-101 type questions), you aren't going to be successful.

If the OP's not a troll (and that's still a very strong possibility in my mind), he's tremendously naive in terms of understanding what it's going to take to have a successful business (or to even get a partnership off the ground). Assuming the latter, it does absolutely not one iota of good to p*ssyfoot around these issues.

I'm not saying his post was legit or not. I don't know this person. I'm just saying you guys could ask him nicely. Like I said before, being rude doesn't help a thing.

 

[GoldMiner]

Why partner with me because I see what you cannot see and what do you have to loose?

I see dead people.

 

[MarsColonist]

I'm just saying you guys could ask him nicely.

In my defense, I was polite in my first response. I have a bit of a low tolerance for the ignorance + arrogance combo (response #33 got to me; I have thin drinking skin I guess). So, if a troll, I took the bait (but I dont think he was as I see too many people IRL like this).

My work here is done. Back to drinking

 

[Yooper]

If your not interested move on nothing to see here. Who gives a flying f$#@ about a business plan talk is cheap. Why partner with me because I see what you cannot see and what do you have to loose? Seriously you make the beer package it, the hard part is getting into the stores no idea on this process I'm assuming there are distributors you contact. Then the beer sits on the shelf with the 100's of other beers how do get the customer to pick your beer in under 5 seconds? Anyone here in Texas that is interested no excons or pedos just an upstanding citizen. Ballpark figure on basic equipment costs to get started? Should I use legal zoom for incorporation?

Well, anybody who is going to hand over $1 million is going to want to see a solid business plan.

You may be able to get a small brewery going for under that. You can often buy used brewery equipment so figure you can get a 15 barrell system for $80,000 probably. But you'll need a bottling line, leased space, a contract with a maltster, a contract for hops, etc. Hopefully you'll find a place with city water, so that will save you some $$$$$. Sometimes you can find used bottling lines, sometimes, not. You'll need a brewer, equipment, etc. You may be able to get it all together for as little as $500,000 but probably closer to $750,000. Like I said, $1 million would be great because then you'd have a "cushion" to pay employees until you actually sell something.

To read a bit on some of our fellow HBT members who are pro, do a search. But start here with some good info: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f28/dont-try-home-parts-1-2-3-a-11411/

 

[JoeBronco]

Throw the guy a bone and respectfully give him some pointers.

Tried that... He dosent seem to want to listen... The OP seems to be very arrogant.

Your best bet is to brew beer first. Than get good at it. Take a few classes. Than get even better. Get about 10 years of brewing under your belt. THAN think about partnering with someone.

Having an "IDEA" for a particular beer sounds great. But ideas dont sell, good beer does. Your doing everything backwards. First you make a GREAT beer and start selling small pubs. Than you go on to expanding the amount you make. Than you open a micro. Finding someone who is willing to put there reputation on the line by partnering and investing money into a brewery with someone who has no experience in brewing is not going to be an easy find. And to start requesting "similar political views" is a recepie for disaster since you are already breaking laws with political discrimination.

buyloewen - IF you are serious about starting up your own brewpub go to UC Davis and take the "Brewmaster" course. You would have more people interested in your idea. You can market the crap out of piss in a bottle, but that doesn't mean that it will sell. The craft brewing scene is a bit harder to get your name out there than designing the next snuggie.

I agree start some research. Even the marketing guy has to know about beer to be able to sell it. Does the "Kirby" marketing guys know anything about Vacuum's? Take a simple course at one of these fine locations and start home brewing so you can get the basics. Even extract brewing would gain you some knowledge.

Start here!!!

 

[buyloewen]

You guys are hilarious so much hate maybe I will have better luck on probrewer. If your not interested move on. I'm looking for partners, people that have skills in areas I don't. What do I have you ask? I have several good ideas related to the marketing of the beer which appeals to the general population but obviously I cannot share them. Ok so what do I need to find within the 20 partners someone to write a business plan, a brewer, someone with knowledge of the Texas beer market and capital from investors. I need help I need ideas bashing me really doesn't help me. 5% ownership is fine with me if the end result is successful. Bash away

 

[tbel]

Behold the mighty Oak, the nut that stood it's ground.

I have nothing to offer, but wish you luck. I agree with some of the others that there's got to be a better way of finding what your looking for, but at least you're trying.

 

[weirdboy]

You guys are hilarious so much hate maybe I will have better luck on probrewer. If your not interested move on. I'm looking for partners, people that have skills in areas I don't.

So far you haven't demonstrated skill in ANY areas. Exactly what are you bringing to the table? Why would I want to partner with someone who doesn't appear to be contributing anything to the business?

 

[Hermit]

Well you could ask him about all these details, bring it up politely. There are so many better ways to go about this man. I'm not being rude to you when I say this, but I honestly doubt anyone was going to read this simple post and say ''OH WHOA NO WAY?! LET ME GET MY CHECK BOOK!!''. Explain to him that if he is serious there are things that need to be done, information to be found, perhaps a meeting with both parties with a lawyer present to go over legal information, etc.

Being rude for no reason doesn't fix a thing. Point him in the right direction, give him advice, but be man enough to tell him in a polite way. This isn't a pissing contest where your middle school buddies in the locker room will think your badass for making another kid feel like crap. Does no one read the ''be polite'' sticky on the top of this forum?

This guy comes one here and says "I don't know anything about brewing, I can't be assed to learn because it is beneath my dignity but I know more about the beer market because I am me and you are you. and you think I am rude? I've run across enough of these guys in my life to know what he is. I just had a cousin pick up a local establishment because the original owner sold it to someone that had a history of buying places, getting investors and walking away LEGALLY with whatever he could carry. Is my cynicism showing? Damned right it is.

 

[Hermit]

So far you haven't demonstrated skill in ANY areas. Exactly what are you bringing to the table? Why would I want to partner with someone who doesn't appear to be contributing anything to the business?

He has a marketing idea that is so unique that NO ONE in the beer world has EVER thought about. Throw your money at him. Never mind that if he had any market savvy he wouldn't be soliciting strangers on an internet forum with his first post...... I think he is really located in Nigeria.... But that's just me.

 

[bob1852]

You guys are hilarious. So much hate. Maybe I will have better luck on probrewer. If you're not interested move on. I'm looking for partners, people that have skills in areas I don't. What do I have you ask? I have several good ideas related to the marketing of the beer which appeals to the general population but obviously I cannot share them. Ok, so what do I need to find within the 20 partners? Someone to write a business plan, a brewer, someone with knowledge of the Texas beer market and capital from investors. I need help. I need ideas. Bashing me really doesn't help me. 5% ownership is fine with me if the end result is successful. Bash away

Don't forget the grammar guy...

Too much? If so, I truly apologize....

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

Holy crap! The craft beer market started growing as soon as I arrived in the country! I didn't realise I drank THAT much!

 

[buckeyebrewer]

This is better than watching T.V.....It has to be a joke. I'm getting another beer.

 

[bob1852]

Holy crap! The craft beer market started growing as soon as I arrived in the country! I didn't realise I drank THAT much!

You must show declines in craft beer consumption in England, pre-Bastille France, and pre-Apartheid South Africa before I can accept your thesis.

 

[buyloewen]

Hermit I'm looking for partners not money. Even if my idea isn't the game changer I think it is I'm sure the 20 partners can put there brains together and find a winner. 2 people so far are interested

 

[kaiser423]

/Subscribed
//Thinks this guy has y'all going just for fun
///Ron Paul?! C'Mon.....
////Slashies

They scared him off already! Come on fellas, the key is to be tough, but nice. String it along a little! I was really hoping to hear more from this guy!

 

[Hermit]

maybe I will have better luck on probrewer.

Quite honestly they would be fools to talk to you. Why? They open themselves to lawsuits for ANY marketing they try to do because you could claim it was your idea. This is the reason TV and motion picture studios won't even open manuscripts submitted to them. They just send them back unopened. You may be the one in a million with a truly revolutionary idea. Since you can't say what your idea is we don't know. But, let me tell you something about my back ground in this field. I have a son, that according to standardized testing, is one of the smartest people in his age group in the US. I have come to realize that people that can truly have an original thought are indeed rare. I watched him grow for 30 years. It has led me to people with similar ability to his. Even with his level of competence, it isn't easy. I have no idea what your capability is, but I see nothing I would recognize as exceptional in what I have seen so far. I HAVE seen people lose a lot of money on dreams. That is why I sound a cautionary note. I don't wish you ill, but has been pointed out, there has been nothing brought up here that won't pop up in trying to raise a million dollars from people that actually have that kind of money. Good luck. I hope you are sincere.

 

[bob1852]

I've got a good idea - it involves selling tiny classified ads...

 

[Frodo]

Ron Paul AND focus on american lager? Wow I can't think on a more miserable situation to work in... simple beer for simple minds I suppose.

 

[Airborneguy]

To the OP:

Asking what you bring to the table is a completely valid question. Marketing knowledge? I can pay a marketing firm for that, without giving them an ownership percentage. And as has been mentioned, you have not demonstrated any "marketing expertise" which would convince me to give you $1, much less $100,000.

I have considered contract brewing a beer brand for my local market, with the eventual goal of opening a brewpub/brewery. I have considered many of the things you should be considering. You have not in this thread showed a single solitary aspect I would expect one of my partners to possess.

You come across more as the best friend who someone feels really bad about because they can never find a job, so they get hired to move kegs around.

Oh, and my uncle went to college with Ron Paul, same fraternity. My uncle is one year older than him. Do I get an ownership stake for that?

 

[mmb]

Hermit I'm looking for partners not money. Even if my idea isn't the game changer I think it is I'm sure the 20 partners can put there brains together and find a winner. 2 people so far are interested

P. T. Barnum said it best.

I've got a good idea - it involves selling tiny classified ads...

Craig has that market sewed up.

 

[Joker]

So what other markets have you had great idea's that have taken the market by storm. You need to have a track record for anyone to want to partner with you.

Sounds like you haven't got anything but you want 10-20 guys that can make it happen while you ride their coat tails hoping to get rich off of their hardwork and knowledge. I think you said it best "nothing to see here".

 

[Mischief_Brewing]

I'm definitely curious to know a little more about the OP. How old are you? What industry are you in? What's your work and school history?

As many have said already, trying to market a "great idea" without telling your potential "partners" anything about said idea or about your ability to prove that it's not a waste of their time will get you nothing but frustration.

Oh, and I hope your reference to "2 people interested" isn't derived from the responses here and it's people sending you PMs. Even if it is PMs though, I'm guessing it's people trying to find out more about your idea out of morbid curiosity, kind of like slowing down to see the accident on the freeway, they just pulled over and stopped to take a picture...

 

[Tywing]

Thx for the replies guys I appreciate the feedback your right I have never made a batch of beer. Ya I just found probrewer I'm waiting to get approved. I've tasted many beers in my time but what do I usually buy Bud or some cheaper brand and so do the masses of people. Are they the best beers out there no. Why do I buy them price and familiarity. Brand recognition is what keeps Bud on top. For a new beer to become popular quickly marketing is the only way for this to happen and I think I have this covered. I would like to find some beer people who also have some ability to sell it is what drives any business. The politics is just something I believe in and it's good for a team to be on the same page. Let me know I'm not in Texas but I think it would be a great place for what I have in mind.

Texas actually has some really ridiculous laws that have a chokehold on an otherwise existing microbrew scene. You basically can't have a taproom out of a commercial scale brewery. It's harder to get around than it sounds.

 

[Inodoro_Pereyra]

This has got to be, hands down, the funniest thread I've seen in here, ever.

Buyloewen: never mind the naysayers. I'M INTERESTED!!!.

Let me give you some background information:

I don't have a penny.
I have no brewing experience whatsoever.
I have zero business experience.
I have no contacts of any kind.

And, finally:

I have no intention to do any work, nor to move to Texas.

But, hey! I like your proposal, so, as long as the rest of the 20 partners do all the work and put all the money, I'll be very happy with my 5% of the profits!

Let me know if you're interested...

 

[Hermit]

I'm waiting for him to come back and gloat and put all us nay sayers in our place.

 

[Inodoro_Pereyra]

He's not gonna come back. He's too busy setting up his brewery...

 

[Domminigan]

Even if my idea isn't the game changer I think it is I'm sure the 20 partners can put there brains together and find a winner.

So... in this case it would be you bringing nothing to the table at all.

There are many other people who were simply positive that they had a great marketing idea, and that the public would go for it like paperclips. Very very very few of them were right. In the beer industry, any new idea is not that far from being taken by InBev, and they have a lot of people who figure out exactly how to do something based on what you are doing only with a twist that will bring them more customers.

 

[JoeBronco]

buyloewen
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Total of 8 posts and he was on for a whopping 6 days. Sounds like someone who is passionate...