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If I wanted to save money, I would never have bought all this brewing equipment. I would have kept buying Coors light at the grocery store.

Welllllllll... not all of us went from (in my case) Busch Light to brewing.

I still drink tons of Busch Light and buy it at the store... it's not worth it to me to try and make a beer like that. Plus, I wouldn't even know where to get beechwood.

It went, Busch Light > Craft > More Expensive Craft > Lots of fooking money spent on Craft > I can make this myself.

I was spending around $150 - $200 a month on craft beer. Now I maybe spend $30 a month. That's quite the savings right there.
 
Ingredients alone, for a moderately-hopped pale ale, buying in bulk and re-using yeast:

9 lbs 2-row = ~$4.50 ($25/55lb sack)
1 lb specialty malts = $1
4 oz hops = $3 ($12/lb)
1 jar yeast (1/4 cake harvested from a previous batch fermented w/ 1 packet US-05) = $1.50

Total: $10 for 5 gallons, or $0.25/pint.

Of course, that doesn't include propane, water, gypsum, Irish Moss, Campden tablet, Dextrose, Rice Hulls, StarSan, PBW, or CO2, but those costs can't add more than $2 in total to the batch, bringing the cost up to $0.30/pint.

An amusing quote I once read here went something like, "Homebrewing to save money on beer is like buying a boat to save money on fish."
 
How to save money

1. Take sugar packets from restaurants and work. Saving a penny here and there adds up to over a dollar a year in savings.

2. Save on energy costs if your water is cooler than the ambient air temperature. Fill up your pot the evening with water and before and let the water heat up over night and the next morning. This can save you a few minutes of heating time. A few minutes here and there can add up to a full propane tank over a life time.

3. Mix small amounts of star san and use a sprayer. Saving a few pennies here and there adds up to more than a dollar a year. (a sprayer is actually VERY useful for applying Star San)

4. see #1, and use a pound of sugar to add to your beer - for a free alcohol boost. Use less hops, and less grain, to cut down on material costs. Saving a pound of grain saves anywhere between $0.60 and $1.50

5. Reuse your yeast forever. Buy a packet of S04 and S05 and your set for life. In fact, ask a brew buddy if you can have some of their slurry and save the $4. Free yeast for life.

6. Instead of buying a grain mill, use a couple of rocks, or bricks. Sure it takes longer but you have better control, and bets of all it's free.

:fro:


The best way to save money for real is BIAB. Forget about spending all that money on 2 additional vessels.

Check Craigs list or local yard sales for equipment.

If you brew often the reusing yeast saves money (I make a larger starter and save some of the excess in a jar I keep in the fridge rather than washing used yeast).

The problem with bulk buying grain is you have to potentially drive far to pick it up. I buy it from the LHBS.

As for buying big packs of hops, how do you store them? Buy a vacuum sealer? Use a dedicated freezer? It makes sense if you brew a lot. I don't drink so much, so I don't brew that often.
 
I used to wash yeast and reuse but I've gotten lazy and with the addition of an 11 month old time isn't really on my side to do these things. I am, however, getting more and more time back so I will start to wash yeast again and save about 5 bucks a batch.

I bought a mill last summer and that has saved me some money too but buying grain in bulk is expensive at the time. It saves money over time since you don't have to pay per lb at the lhbs or use gas driving there too. I know on morebeer.com you get free shipping over $60 bucks. If it's coming from CA and you're on the east coast it can take a while to get your stuff. Only downside. I need to just get a 50 lb bag of 2row and call it a day...

As for the gadgets and equipment... My setup can brew beer, obviously, but it's 100% manual. No pumps, no digital thermometers, none of that stuff. Hell, I don't even have a rig to gravity feed my sparge and first runnings. I use a chair for the mash tun, put the boil kettle on the floor, and use an auto siphon to pump the hlt sparge water into the mash tun. Sure it might take a little longer but it's free, simple and it can't break. I heat all my sparge water on the stove and only use propane for the boil. My beer turns out great so I dig the way I brew and how my setup works.

I have a mini fridge for temp control but I've yet to do anything with it or use it yet. It was $50 on CL. I need to make some mods to it so it can fit in a fermentor and then buy a temp controller and install it. Once the wife goes back to work maybe I can make that happen. What I do for now is brew to the temp of the basement.

I got my kegging system for free. I got a keg for xmas a few years back and a c02 tank for my bday a couple years ago from the in-laws. For the rest of it I got a $300 gift card for signing up with verizon for 2 years so that took care of the rest of the setup- another keg, faucet kit, etc. We sold our house a couple years ago and I kept the fridge as part of the deal so that's how I got my beer fridge.
My mash tun cooler I got on sale during the winter at Dicks sporting goods a few years back. It was $20 bucks and I had a gift card I had been saving for a while which paid for it in full. The only thing I had to pay out of pocket for was the ball valve and washers.

I'm not really sure if I'm saving any money brewing my own beer instead of buying 100% of the beer I consume. I still buy beer at the store so if I cut that out I'd have more money to brew with. I try to take advantage of sales and promotions like the AHA membership deal that includes 8 oz of free hops atm. I think at the end of the day I don't really brew to save money. It's a hobby and hobbies cost money. I brew because I love it, I love to share my creations, and I love to think up new recipes. The enjoyment I get out of all of that is priceless. :mug:
 
That would be about it, buy in bulk, re-use yeast.

No chill can cut down on some water cost (marginal).

A recipe with minimal hops (i.e. Centennial Blonde) can be made for ~30 - 40 cents/bottle.

I think a lot of people forget to add in propane, electric, C02 and water costs when they quote how much a beer costs to make.

When I add up ALL costs, it is around $16 for a 5 gallon batch of a 1.050OG beer that isn't hop heavy. So about $.38 a bottle counting losses.

That is buying grains in bulk, hops in bulk, making oversized starters and reharvesting the yeast, propane costs, sanitizers, etc.

Example, the English stout I just made was 1.052OG. It used an ounce of hops I got in bulk, for around $1.25 for that ounce, ~6.5lbs of grain at an average price of $1.15 an ounce. Probably about $2 of propane, maybe $1.50 of DME and around $.50 of sanitizer and $1.50 of bottle caps for around a 4.5 gallon batch. A little less than $14 for 4.5 gallons, maybe 40 bottles of beer in the end, or 35 cents a pop.

Of course that isn't every batch. A DIPA is going to be roughly double the price between the extra hops and grains.

Occasionally I need to buy a new yeast, because I don't have it on hand, or what I have on hand is too old to be worth culturing it up from the few cells left alive. That can increase the cost of a batch by 50% easily.

Or a batch that is extremely heavy on specialty grains. My base, I can get for about $.92-1.05 per pound from my LHBS in bulk with club discount (yay 10% discount!!!). Specialty since I don't need 50lbs of Crystal 60L or Roasted barley or what not, I tend to get in 5-10lb batches from Morebeer or similar, which is a lot cheaper than the per pound cost, but still tends to be from $1.30-2.20 per pound for a 5-10lb bag. So something like a Rye beer, might have 3lbs of Rye at $2 a pound, which can drive up the grain bill costs.

That said, since I moved to oversized starters and bulk grain and hop buys (well, mostly bulk hop buys. Until I've got my chest freezer plugged in, in a few weeks, I do occasionally buy just 1-2oz at a time when it is something I know I won't use in a recipe again for a year or two, because I can't manage the space in my current fridge/freezer for 10lbs of hops for a ton of varieties, so I only buy 5-6 varieties in bulk), it has saved a lot of money.

Per pound and per ounce and fresh yeast each time, I was looking at probably around $30 to have made my English Stout, or a bit more than twice the cost.

Still, less than a buck a bottle is a lot cheaper than the store price for a good to great beer. I'll admit I've made a stinker or two, but not to be egotistical to the max, with the exception of a couple of stinker batches, in the 2 years I've been brewing, almost all my batches are at least a good 6 or 7 out of 10 if a 5 is average quality of a style. I can still get some better beer than what I can make, but a lot of times I'd compare mine favorably to a very good example of a style. A handful I've made I'd consider better than any other beer I have tried of that style, or at least top 3 I've had.

Of course fair amount of that is because I learned very quickly to brew to exactly my tastes. No one else out there is brewing to exactly what I want and my palate (or if they are, no one told me). Maybe cooking for so many years helped, but just like cooking, I've eaten food others have cooked that is better than anything I could possibly make...but it isn't all THAT often. Especially if you are talking about "look in the pantry, fridge and freezer. That is what you have to work with, now make some kind of dinner in the next 45 minutes" kind of meal.

Anyway, I digress. Doesn't matter if you are saving money or costing more money, if you are enjoying it, keep it up. I DO like the fact that I make beer a lot cheaper than I can buy it for. Considering I pawn it off on so many people, it is a good thing. Both personal consumption, my wife and with my friends, I probably go through 3-4x as much beer as I used to before I found brewing (or brewing found me), but I am spending less now, than I was when I was buying it from the liquor store. Going back on memory, I probably spent $70 a month on average pre brewing on beer at the store. Now I am probably spending $35-45 a month on average brewing beer, but also getting 3x as much beer in return.

I just need to wean my wife a little more off wine, as we are probably still spending $80 a month on wine, though that is down a little now that I've gotten her to drink a bit more beer. I also need to get around to planting a few rows of wine grapes so I can start making my own wine as well.

Doesn't include capitol costs in all of this, but even being self honest, not counting the free cost of a bit of brew-it-forwarding gear I've gotten from extremely generous folks, I've maybe spent $500 on equipment. Give or take $50. I might have another $200 of free stuff people have given me. In 2 years I've probably spent $1,000-1,400 on consumables brewing, for a total cost of around $2,000 if I round it up a little. Before all of this, I was spending probably $800-900 a year on beer. So I've spent a little more on brewing than what I would have on beer, but my costs per bottle have also been dropping as I go along. My break even is likely by the fall (unless I buy another expensive brewing toy). But that said, I've also BREWED probably the equivalent of $3,000-4,000 of beer in that time, since I produce a lot more volume than I used to be consuming. So I guess you could say I've broken even (I've probably only spent $200-300 over the last 2 years on store bought beer. Every once in awhile I need to get a 12 pack to take to a party and I don't wasn't to bring mine, or I just need some spare empties to fill with my own, or I even want to buy something, like some Stone or something).
 
To add, I love the hobby, so even if I was spending more on it than buying beer, I'd still be doing it. However, if I can save money and still make it fun, I absolutely will.

Hell, half the reason I bought a mill and am moving towards buying grain in bulk is that I'd always have "unlimited" recipe possibilities on hand. Sure, I use liquid yeast mostly, so I still have to prep in advance of a brew, but my LHBS is a 25 minute drive on the other side of town with no traffic. Plus time there to grind and bag my stuff, call it close to 90 minutes. I spend maybe 20 minutes grinding my grains by hand at home. Saved time. And saved gas. And I do keep a couple of packets of dry yeast on hand for those rare times that I have an itch to brew and the time to brew. I still buy yeast from my LHBS when I do need some new yeast and I also buy my bulk grain from them as well as my caps. But it means that I can go once ever 2-3 months instead of 1-2 times a month (because I'd generally get the stuff for 2 recipes at a time when I went, so that I wasn't going 2-4 times a month).

Plus, the more I can save, the better I feel about pawning my beer off on friends as well as the sooner I can brew and the more I can brew again.

I couldn't afford to brew 120-150 gallons of beer a year if it was costing me $2.00 a bottle. However I absolutely can when it is costing me $.50 or less a bottle.
 
Welllllllll... not all of us went from (in my case) Busch Light to brewing.

I still drink tons of Busch Light and buy it at the store... it's not worth it to me to try and make a beer like that. Plus, I wouldn't even know where to get beechwood.

It went, Busch Light > Craft > More Expensive Craft > Lots of fooking money spent on Craft > I can make this myself.

I was spending around $150 - $200 a month on craft beer. Now I maybe spend $30 a month. That's quite the savings right there.



i took this same path ...
see, that's true, you have to factor in... the type of beer you can make. quality abbey ale and trippel are not cheap.
 
i took this same path ...
see, that's true, you have to factor in... the type of beer you can make. quality abbey ale and trippel are not cheap.

It would still cost you less if you enjoyed a quality abbey ale on occasion and didn't drink as much.

Are you really saving money, or are you just enabling yourself to drink more on the same budget?

Again, the best way to save money on beer is to drink less.
 
I bought a mill last summer and that has saved me some money too but buying grain in bulk is expensive at the time. It saves money over time since you don't have to pay per lb at the lhbs or use gas driving there too. I know on morebeer.com you get free shipping over $60 bucks. If it's coming from CA and you're on the east coast it can take a while to get your stuff. Only downside. I need to just get a 50 lb bag of 2row and call it a day...

Bulk grain does not ship for free at MoreBeer.
 
I did the Centennial Blond recipe the other day and the total cost for the 5 gallon batch was about $12.25. That's probably one of the cheapest that I've done so far.

I buy hops by the pound so an ounce is usually <$1.00.

I harvest yeast from starters and my cost each time is about $1.00 to reharvest.

With the above mentioned Blond I figure it cost me in total $15 with water and propane and co2. Each beer ends up costing about $.30. Maybe $.35.

I have no idea how much I spent on all of my equipment but if you break that down per batch it brings the price up.
 
It would still cost you less if you enjoyed a quality abbey ale on occasion and didn't drink as much.

Are you really saving money, or are you just enabling yourself to drink more on the same budget?

Again, the best way to save money on beer is to drink less.







I don't even understand any of this.







Some people never grow out of being the hall monitor.

English is probably not his first language.

I believe what he was trying to say is "drink more beer or gtfo"
 
Drinking less is a bs argument, it's like saying you can save on quality food by eating less, true, but pointless.

I live in a country where even basic beer is crappily expensive. I can brew good quality ipa's for the same price as the cheapest ****ty lager in the store.

As a biab, cheapskate brewer my gear has long since been earned back.
 
Some people never grow out of being the hall monitor.

Not a hall monitor. I didn't think that post was unclear, but apparently it was.

I can just tell you that if i am 100% honest with my spending over the last 2.5 years of homebrewing, I've spent a LOT of money. Enough money to buy a LOT of beer. More beer than I should drink, more beer than my wife and I combined should drink. If this was a money saving effort, it has been a miserable failure.

It, however, has not been a money saving effort. It's a hobby. A hobby that I spend a lot of time and a relatively small amount of money on for the enjoyment that I get out of it. Certainly less money than other hobbies I've had in the past.
 
Snake Ridge,

my first beer was a trappist clone for the same reason. i just can't pay 10$ for a 22 oz. bottle.

but this stuff, i swear it's as good.
... and that's why i'm hooked.

This. People try to say that beer is cheap, and I look at them funny. Some beer is cheap. Most beer that I buy runs 7-10 for a bomber, or 11-18 for a 4 or 6 pack. It's becoming a style thing that DIPAs, RIS, single hop pale ales, sours, barleywines, and saisons are decoupled from the cost of production.

I can put out a dry hopped tangy quick gose/berlinner thingy in two weeks, but breweries are charging like it took them a year to make. Basically, home brewing is cheaper than buying from the store, but it depends on what you are comparing to.
 
I don't bottle my beer at all, but my cost per 5 gallon keg is $10-25. If my math is right, that would be $.20-.50 for a 12 oz bottle.

I save costs by:
buying 5 gallon pails of malt extract direct from the manufacturer for $1.50/pound including shipping

buying hops direct from the grower for $.50-1.00/oz

boiling double strength batches and then diluting in the fermentors (uses half the propane)

Buying Fermentis yeast for $1/pack on amazon

Buying grains in bulk (10 pound minimum), though I'm not saving a ton there.

Making my own PBW cleaner from 70% sodium percarbonate and 30% sodium metasilicate.

I don't buy anything from brick and mortar homebrew stores, ever.
 
I got a growler fill last night and they had a sour at $50 per 64oz. That's $500 per 5 gal batch. I understand that sours take up brewery real estate for a good while but dayum!
 
I got a growler fill last night and they had a sour at $50 per 64oz. That's $500 per 5 gal batch. I understand that sours take up brewery real estate for a good while but dayum!

I'll pay $50 for a 750 of the right sour without question *cough* Cantillon *cough*. If you don't factor in the space while aging those kinds of sours are soooo much cheaper to brew. Whole batch often for less than the cost of a single bottle.
 
well what i learned is clear.

if you want cheap, drink bud light.

if you want more affordable high quality ale's, brew your own.

if you save money comes down to, are you a gearhead, and what kind of beer do you buy?
 
I don't get the people that say it's not saving money. If you make simple steps to do so you're less than 1/4 the cost per bottle, just don't look to get an automated electric recirculating system and you're break even point should be within a year.

Go all grain, buy base in bulk bags, harvest yeast from starters, and buy hops in 4oz or 1 lb packages online, you'll be less than $25 per batch with no problems at all.
 
Yes, I can acknowledge that some people here have been brewing a long time, are very frugal, and save some money by homebrewing. I'll make up a statistic and say that those people make up 15% of HBT. For 85% of HBT, I present the following...

Ways to "save money" by homebrewing:

1. lie to yourself and others about how much you spend on homebrewing
2. lie to yourself and others about how good your beer is compared to commercial beers
3. compare the cost of your bulk-purchased ingredients to the finished, packaged, highest priced commercial examples you can find
4. Assume that you would actually buy large quantities of those high priced commercial examples
5. Drink a LOT! The more you drink, the more you save!
6. Never consider that the endless hours you spend on HBT, brewing, cleaning, and shopping for homebrew deals could be spent in other, more productive ways.

Here's some quick financial advice: Don't lie to yourself about how much you spend on your hobbies.
Here's some quick relationship advice: Don't lie to SWMBO about how much you spend on your hobbies.
 
I'll pay $50 for a 750 of the right sour without question *cough* Cantillon *cough*. If you don't factor in the space while aging those kinds of sours are soooo much cheaper to brew. Whole batch often for less than the cost of a single bottle.

I'm not into sours, but I understand that Cantillon is the gold standard and hard to come by. Actually, doing a little Googling, maybe $50 for a half gallon is not a bad price. If I remember correctly this is the one they were pouring:

http://www.globalbeer.com/belgian-beer/silly-sour

The point I was getting at, is that we are not production breweries, so sitting on a sour beer for 1, 2 or 3 years basically costs us nothing as homebrewers. If we're looking to 'save' money, a relatively cheap grain bill and a long wait are a fraction of a percent of $500. Or $50 per 750mL
 
Yes, I can acknowledge that some people here have been brewing a long time, are very frugal, and save some money by homebrewing. I'll make up a statistic and say that those people make up 15% of HBT. For 85% of HBT, I present the following...

Ways to "save money" by homebrewing:

1. lie to yourself and others about how much you spend on homebrewing
2. lie to yourself and others about how good your beer is compared to commercial beers
3. compare the cost of your bulk-purchased ingredients to the finished, packaged, highest priced commercial examples you can find
4. Assume that you would actually buy large quantities of those high priced commercial examples
*EDIT to add*
5. Drink a LOT! The more you drink, the more you save!
6. Never consider that the endless hours you spend on HBT, brewing, cleaning, and shopping for homebrew deals could be spent in other, more productive ways.

Here's some quick financial advice: Don't lie to yourself about how much you spend on your hobbies.
Here's some quick relationship advice: Don't lie to SWMBO about how much you spend on your hobbies.

For sure. I went from spending maybe $50 on beer a month prior to brewing to dropping $200 a month between my LHBS and buying "research" at the bottle shop.

And yes, lying to the wife about it only ends badly. Trust me.
 
We can all agree that lying to the wife is bad. Hell, I'm the one perfectly content to drink a nice Blonde ale or low ABV cream ale, my wife is the one that likes the IIPA's with a pound of hops in them.
 
my beer bill is 112$ a month if i drink half founders and half sierra nevada.

6 lbs extract = 18$
4 ounces hops = 4$
1 lbs specialty grains - 3$
re harvest yeast...
... well water so free ... cheapest gas anywhere ( i heat my house for 60$/mo, si it can't add up to more than pennies)
call is 5$ in whirfloc, star san, whatever else...
i must be forgetting something to have it cost more than 30$ for 40 bottles (75 cents a bottle) that's a high guess with a low yeild.


i guess the big difference is my only equipment is a five gallon pot i already had.
 
I guess in countries where beer is cheap, it's harder to "break even".

but my gear cost less than 2 months very basic drinking, and even the most basic wheatbeer is 3 euro's a bottle.

only mass-produced lager is anywhere near homebrewing costs here.
 
Yes, I can acknowledge that some people here have been brewing a long time, are very frugal, and save some money by homebrewing. I'll make up a statistic and say that those people make up 15% of HBT. For 85% of HBT, I present the following...

Ways to "save money" by homebrewing:

1. lie to yourself and others about how much you spend on homebrewing Why would you do that?
2. lie to yourself and others about how good your beer is compared to commercial beers No need, this isn't commercial beer, it's HB. And it's damn good, problem?
3. compare the cost of your bulk-purchased ingredients to the finished, packaged, highest priced commercial examples you can find Breweries don't buy in bulk?
4. Assume that you would actually buy large quantities of those high priced commercial examples I did.
5. Drink a LOT! The more you drink, the more you save!I still drink the same amount of beer for a fraction of the cost... so, sure.
6. Never consider that the endless hours you spend on HBT, brewing, cleaning, and shopping for homebrew deals could be spent in other, more productive ways.Or quit hobbies altogether and go get a second job to be more productive.

Here's some quick financial advice: Don't lie to yourself about how much you spend on your hobbies.
Here's some quick relationship advice: Don't lie to SWMBO about how much you spend on your hobbies.

I agree with all of this, except the points mentioned in red.
 
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