How do you increase the wort gravity

[BrewingWisdom]

Hello peeps
How do you increase the wort gravity when you aim for a high abv beer?
You increase the grain quantity in the mash bill or boil the wort longer for concentration?

 

[DonT]

Increase the amount of grain or add DME/LME or sugar.

 

[DBhomebrew]

Or boil down more. Or sparge more. There's lots of ways.

Adding more grain is usual, until it maxes out mash volume. A sparge or two can solve that issue. But only so much that your mash doesn't get too thick.

Also, more grain for usual pre-boil volume will lower your efficiency.

Etc, etc.

 

[bracconiere]

honestly i add gluco....can you get it there? i see this but you'd have to use discretion ordering.....

https://pakistan.desertcart.com/products/120428900-glucoamylase-enzyme-1-pound-bag
I only have a 10 gallon cooler, so can't just add more malt...but can bump the ABV from 6% ABV to 8% with the addition of gluco, sacrify is a bit of body for the ABV, but i like/gotten used to it...

 

[BrewingWisdom]

Also, more grain for usual pre-boil volume will lower your efficiency.

Why because grain absorbs water? Is the volume efficiency you are talking about?

 

[BrewingWisdom]

honestly i add gluco....can you get it there? i see this but you'd have to use discretion ordering.....

https://pakistan.desertcart.com/products/120428900-glucoamylase-enzyme-1-pound-bag
I only have a 10 gallon cooler, so can't just add more malt...but can bump the ABV from 6% ABV to 8% with the addition of gluco, sacrify is a bit of body for the ABV, but i like/gotten used to it...

Hey buddy how are you long time
I am looking to get everything from my grain actually.
Aiming for a very rare craft brewery item called 100 percent "wheat wine". Want to use 3 kg wheat malt to get 9 litres of 8% abv(atleast). More than 8% is also fine because it's a wheat wine after all.

 

[bracconiere]

Hey buddy how are you long time
I am looking to get everything from my grain actually.
Aiming for a very rare craft brewery item called 100 percent "wheat wine". Want to use 3 kg wheat malt to get 9 litres of 8% abv(atleast). More than 8% is also fine because it's a wheat wine after all.

back at you! how's the malting going?

3kg's is like 7lbs right? i'd say if you have a 4-5 gallon/~20liter pot...get one of these, look at BIAB, beersmith says 10% starting ABV with a 2 gallon batch so should be about right...i think...

https://www.daraz.pk/products/12-pa...a0e.searchlist.list.7.2f82362f7Ie3Oe&search=1
edit: i mean you could just mash in a 5 gallon bucket, rinse the bag in a seperate bucket add both to a boil kettle, boil off to your desired gravity....(you haven't acidently had a misfortunate event, with your hard to find hydro yet have you ? )

edit2: stick this in the bucket to heat it up to mash temps...

https://www.daraz.pk/products/1500-...a0e.searchlist.list.1.4f6944bcrQCkMd&search=1

 

[bracconiere]

Why because grain absorbs water? Is the volume efficiency you are talking about?

it's about sparging, and how much of the sugar you can get out of a sponge....you'd have to rinse more and boil off more....my understanding would be to compare it to, if you mash usually with 12 lbs but want a big beer with 20lbs...you'd have to increase the water by 50% for each step...otherwise your effec will tank...

 

[DBhomebrew]

Why because grain absorbs water? Is the volume efficiency you are talking about?

Exactly. It's the lauter efficiency that takes the hit.

All else equal for a constant pre-boil volume, a larger grain bill's loss to grain absorption will be a higher percentage of the total water.

Lauter efficiency being the percentage of the total water that makes it to the kettle.

 

[pvtpublic]

Throw your mash in a cider press.

Lauter super slow, as in obnoxiously slow.

Increase grain bill proportionately.

Longer boil.

Still it, but keep what's in the kettle, not past the thumper.

Bring it to Jupiter and weigh it.

Add DME/sugar/glucose, post boil.

 

[bracconiere]

Add DME

you're not thinking along the lines of a tweeker here asking how to save money on meth.....

 

[BrewingWisdom]

back at you! how's the malting going?

3kg's is like 7lbs right? i'd say if you have a 4-5 gallon/~20liter pot...get one of these, look at BIAB, beersmith says 10% starting ABV with a 2 gallon batch so should be about right...i think...

https://www.daraz.pk/products/12-pa...a0e.searchlist.list.7.2f82362f7Ie3Oe&search=1
edit: i mean you could just mash in a 5 gallon bucket, rinse the bag in a seperate bucket add both to a boil kettle, boil off to your desired gravity....(you haven't acidently had a misfortunate event, with your hard to find hydro yet have you ? )

edit2: stick this in the bucket to heat it up to mash temps...

https://www.daraz.pk/products/1500-...a0e.searchlist.list.1.4f6944bcrQCkMd&search=1

My hydro is well and alive
I have two strainer bags plus a cheese cloth as well. Oh and this time I have hallertau hops as well (received it after 4 months after getting a refund from the seller). I thought they get lost in the way and filed a dispute and now I am feeling bad for the seller.
This time nothing is missing. Everything ready to go.
I have two good grade plastic buckets for fermentation with a total volume of 26 litres.

 

[pvtpublic]

you're not thinking along the lines of a tweeker here asking how to save money on meth.....

A propper mash set up is shown thusly:

 

[bracconiere]

A propper mash set up is shown thusly:

well, i'll save my questions about reductive amination to MIBK with glycine and high temp ketone catylized decarboxylation....safely at home, and saving money on meth for my imaginary friends....i 'assume' i'm 'typing' at real randos on the internet.....

My hydro is well and alive
I have two strainer bags plus a cheese cloth as well. Oh and this time I have hallertau hops as well (received it after 4 months after getting a refund from the seller). I thought they get lost in the way and filed a dispute and now I am feeling bad for the seller.
This time nothing is missing. Everything ready to go.
I have two good grade plastic buckets for fermentation with a total volume of 26 litres.

damn that was trippy, it loading from right to left!

(you didn't malt your own wheat? )

 

[pvtpublic]

....safely at home, and saving money on meth for my imaginary friends....

I believe you misspelled "mash"

 

[bracconiere]

I believe you misspelled "mash"

i don't think so....

 

[pvtpublic]

I should have spelled that out M.A.S.H, my bad

 

[bracconiere]

I should have spelled that out M.A.S.H, my bad

Mash And Sparge Hard! love it!

 

[BrewingWisdom]

(you didn't malt your own wheat?

I do.
If you remember I posted a thread about few months back.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/how-i-made-my-first-wheat-malt.700030/

 

[bracconiere]

I do.
If you remember I posted a thread about few months back.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/how-i-made-my-first-wheat-malt.700030/

i remember seeing the title now, but never read it.....i don't think? feed wheat is unfit for brewing with here, so never use it....

 

[BrewingWisdom]

i remember seeing the title now, but never read it.....i don't think? feed wheat is unfit for brewing with here, so never use it....

First of all I don't know how to differentiate between a feed wheat and a brewing wheat. In our country I've never heard of a feed wheat for animals.
We grow spring wheat here , which is our staple grain.We use it to make bread. Is that wheat good enough for brewing ?

 

[bracconiere]

First of all I don't know how to differentiate between a feed wheat and a brewing wheat. In our country I've never heard of a feed wheat for animals.
We grow spring wheat here , which is our staple grain.We use it to make bread. Is that wheat good enough for brewing ?

if it tastes good ground into flour and used to make bread, yes! the crap i get from the feed store doesn't even make good bread, and i have a flour mill also, and tried....barley is fine though....here at least....

 

[BrewingWisdom]

if it tastes good ground into flour and used to make bread, yes! the crap i get from the feed store doesn't even make good bread, and i have a flour mill also, and tried....barley is fine though....here at least....

Here it's the opposite. Every time I tried with barley I failed. It just didn't sprout during the malting process. Something is wrong with the barley we have here. I tried with barley bought from different mills/stores but failed every time.
Wheat works fine though.
I have one question
This time I plan to dry my wheat malt in a oven to dry the wheat and to roast only a little so the chits fall off easily. Is roasting wheat malt a little reduces the disstatic power of the grain? Or will it have any effect on the fermentable sugars a wheat malt has to offer?

 

[bracconiere]

This time I plan to dry my wheat malt in a oven

that will denature the enzymes, so you won't get conversion during the mash....would be my understanding....


sorry to hear about the barley...did it even start chitting?

 

[BrewingWisdom]

that will denature the enzymes, so you won't get conversion during the mash....would be my understanding....


sorry to hear about the barley...did it even start chitting?

So this time I should dry it in the sun as usual or perhaps some hot air solution.
99% of the grains didn't start chitting.

 

[bracconiere]

air movement is what you want...think of chapped lips in the fridged snow, not the desert.....

i have 20lbs of barley sprouting now, either tomorrow or day after it will be ready to dry, my inside room temp is ~80f and just with a box fan blowing over it, it will be ready to kiln after 24 hours....spread thin of course....


(completly off-topic, but do the bootleggers there sell cocaine too? just for my own curiosity? not sure what demons are on the other side of the planet...)


edit: and you're not trying to malt pearl barley are you?

 

[BrewingWisdom]

air movement is what you want...think of chapped lips in the fridged snow, not the desert.....

i have 20lbs of barley sprouting now, either tomorrow or day after it will be ready to dry, my inside room temp is ~80f and just with a box fan blowing over it, it will be ready to kiln after 24 hours....spread thin of course....


(completly off-topic, but do the bootleggers there sell cocaine too? just for my own curiosity? not sure what demons are on the other side of the planet...)


edit: and you're not trying to malt pearl barley are you?

It's not a pearl barley.
It just has a outer hull removed.
Yeah cocaine, hashish , heroine and these days your meth also arrived in our universities and colleges.Young boys and girls here are into meth ,they call it ice here.
But hostly it's the hashish and heroine(opium) because of the close proximity with Afghanistan.

 

[BrewingWisdom]

It's not a pearl barley.
It just has a outer hull removed.
Yeah cocaine, hashish , heroine and these days your meth also arrived in our universities and colleges.Young boys and girls here are into meth ,they call it ice here.
But hostly it's the hashish and heroine(opium) because of the close proximity with Afghanistan.

Sorry I mean hulled barley. Outer inedible hull removed not the husk.

 

[bracconiere]

It's not a pearl barley.
It just has a outer husk removed.
Yeah cocaine, hashish , heroine and these days your meth also arrived in our universities and colleges.Young boys and girls here are into meth ,they call it ice here.
But hostly it's the hashish and heroine(opium) because of the close proximity with Afghanistan.

i hope my clumbsy typing can at least get you past level one! i just wanted to know if the slave masters were everywhere... apparently, i still have to dream of moving to mars...lol

if it's dehusked, probably sterile.... that's what mine looks like while chitting.....



by husk do you mean bran? mine has the inedible husk, and the bran underneath?

 

[BrewingWisdom]

i hope my clumbsy typing can at least get you past level one! i just wanted to know if the slave masters were everywhere... apparently, i still have to dream of moving to mars...lol

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if it's dehusked, probably sterile.... that's what mine looks like while chitting.....



by husk do you mean bran? mine has the inedible husk, and the bran underneath?

Read post no 28^^
And I didn't get that slave master thing.