HOPS-BOPS 2012 Results?

[rexbanner]

That is an accurate description of how they handle their competitions.
They ran the competition to see who went to the GABF Pro-Am with Dogfish and they were judges on the panel and were not blinded to which brewers brewed which beer (we were pouring for a crowd in a bar). After announcing the winner the winning brewer went up to the stage to say a few words and thanked George and Nancy for his recipe! That was a WTF moment. Small conflict of interest there. But I'm just bitter I came in second.

Whoah, WTF?

Isn't that the core value of a comp? It said unmarked bottles, why even bother?

At first I didn't really care that they hadn't posted their scores, but if this is true they should lose their BJCP sanction.

 

[dmkern]

Whoah, WTF?

Isn't that the core value of a comp? It said unmarked bottles, why even bother?

At first I didn't really care that they hadn't posted their scores, but if this is true they should lose their BJCP sanction.

I'm pretty sure they are blinded to this competition, so it shouldn't be a problem here. But you never know.

But for the one in June they weren't blinded because we actually brought our beer up to the judges and told them what it was. Plus they came by when we were pouring.

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

Under review can only mean two things to me.

1. They are changing the results.

2. They are willing to change the results.

I always thought that the results were whatever the judges on judging day decided? Maybe I have been wrong all this time? What is there to review?

 

[jeremy0209]

yeah, they were supposed to announce the winners at 4:30 on Saturday. If they've already announced the winners, what needs to be reviewed? Wait!! I know. Somebody must have failed a drug test. Somebody was doping and that gave them an unfair advantage on the rest of the field. Kudos to HOPS for trying to make this right.

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

yeah, they were supposed to announce the winners at 4:30 on Saturday. If they've already announced the winners, what needs to be reviewed? Wait!! I know. Somebody must have failed a drug test. Somebody was doping and that gave them an unfair advantage on the rest of the field. Kudos to HOPS for trying to make this right.

bwaaa, haaahahaaaa

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

I tried getting an explanation as to what "under review" means. No response...

yeah, they were supposed to announce the winners at 4:30 on Saturday. If they've already announced the winners, what needs to be reviewed?

That is exactly what I am wondering. I wish someone who was actually there would chime in. I am guessing that they went through all the rounds of judging. What more is there to do?

 

[asidrane]

I would just like the feedback for my Belgian Blonde.

 

[jeremy0209]

tick tock tick tock

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

I don't get it. They have the place holder already on the website. Cut and paste the damn results into it and be done with it.

 

[soonami]

Okay I was there, entered beers, and stewarded entries for this competition. I don't know everything about what happened, but I'll provide some insight.

1. Ribbons for 1, 2, and 3 were given out at the event for each category (some were collapsed). Judging for each of the flights was completed and BOS announced. I was there for almost the whole day. Score sheets are supposed to be scanned and distributed early this week.

2. The organizer for this even had to pull out at the last minute because of family issues, so it's not been the best organized competition. However, people are trying their best. I think this is part of the reason why the score sheets aren't back and results not posted

3. During judging all the beer was blinded. Anyone that submitted a beer to a certain category was not allowed to judge that category. There were many BJCP certified, national and even 1 master Judge there to make sure rules were followed. Top 3 places in Wood-aged, Fruit Beer, Belgian Specialty, 23A, and a couple other categories were eligible for entrance to an event during Philly Beer Week, Extreme Homebrew Fest. The winner of that event gets to brew a beer for the GABF Pro-Am. The winner is picked by a combination of popular vote, Sam Caligione, and the owners of Home Sweet Homebrew

4. The Administrative hold-up, I think is because some of the entries into the competition this year may have been from pro-brewers or homebrewers brewing on commercial equipment. I think a couple brewers were familiar or known to be starting brewpubs. I think they organizers are trying to determine if some of these winners were actually eligible in the first place. This is purely speculation though. As I googled a couple of the repeat winners, and some results showed that they were starting or had ambitions of starting a brewery. However, I know lots of us are "head brewers" of our home brewery--I think this is different if someone is actually the brewer of a brewpub trying to get BJCP reviews of their test batches before going to market or opening.

 

[jeremy0209]

Okay I was there, entered beers, and stewarded entries for this competition. I don't know everything about what happened, but I'll provide some insight.

1. Ribbons for 1, 2, and 3 were given out at the event for each category (some were collapsed). Judging for each of the flights was completed and BOS announced. I was there for almost the whole day. Score sheets are supposed to be scanned and distributed early this week.

2. The organizer for this even had to pull out at the last minute because of family issues, so it's not been the best organized competition. However, people are trying their best. I think this is part of the reason why the score sheets aren't back and results not posted

3. During judging all the beer was blinded. Anyone that submitted a beer to a certain category was not allowed to judge that category. There were many BJCP certified, national and even 1 master Judge there to make sure rules were followed. Top 3 places in Wood-aged, Fruit Beer, Belgian Specialty, 23A, and a couple other categories were eligible for entrance to an event during Philly Beer Week, Extreme Homebrew Fest. The winner of that event gets to brew a beer for the GABF Pro-Am. The winner is picked by a combination of popular vote, Sam Caligione, and the owners of Home Sweet Homebrew

4. The Administrative hold-up, I think is because some of the entries into the competition this year may have been from pro-brewers or homebrewers brewing on commercial equipment. I think a couple brewers were familiar or known to be starting brewpubs. I think they organizers are trying to determine if some of these winners were actually eligible in the first place. This is purely speculation though. As I googled a couple of the repeat winners, and some results showed that they were starting or had ambitions of starting a brewery. However, I know lots of us are "head brewers" of our home brewery--I think this is different if someone is actually the brewer of a brewpub trying to get BJCP reviews of their test batches before going to market or opening.

Thank you, sir. I guess patience applies to ALL facets of brewing.

 

[Dukeman9988]

Yea thanks for that, clears some things up

 

[Driver]

Thanks for the insight soonami.

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

You wouldn't believe the snarky A** comment that I got in a reply from Nancy of Home Sweet Homebrew when I asked how an administrative review worked for a beer competition and told them that it may be helpful to post something in this thread as to what the hold up may be. I'm glad I've never done business with them before.

Although homebrewtalk may be aflame with impatience, the results will not be released
prematurely. The competition organizers will not compelled to rush to post the outcome
because some people demand 'instant gratification'. Remember that competitions have been
held long before the Internet and computers, and you used to have to wait far beyond the
day of the competition for the results. Perhaps there are reasons you are not privy to
as for the delay.
Nancy

I love the comment that "competitions were held long before the internet and computers"

Yeah, and we used to ride horses too. Doesn't mean I can't get there faster in my car. That's a BS argument. Why don't we go back to running our machines on whale oil too?

Good to finally hear someone chime in who was there. It does appear there was an issue that needs to be resolved. Not sure why they couldn't just post that on their site to prevent people getting mad.

 

[jeremy0209]

While we're waiting, here's a pic of my entry.

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

Okay I was there, entered beers, and stewarded entries for this competition. I don't know everything about what happened, but I'll provide some insight.

1. Ribbons for 1, 2, and 3 were given out at the event for each category (some were collapsed). Judging for each of the flights was completed and BOS announced. I was there for almost the whole day. Score sheets are supposed to be scanned and distributed early this week.

2. The organizer for this even had to pull out at the last minute because of family issues, so it's not been the best organized competition. However, people are trying their best. I think this is part of the reason why the score sheets aren't back and results not posted

3. During judging all the beer was blinded. Anyone that submitted a beer to a certain category was not allowed to judge that category. There were many BJCP certified, national and even 1 master Judge there to make sure rules were followed. Top 3 places in Wood-aged, Fruit Beer, Belgian Specialty, 23A, and a couple other categories were eligible for entrance to an event during Philly Beer Week, Extreme Homebrew Fest. The winner of that event gets to brew a beer for the GABF Pro-Am. The winner is picked by a combination of popular vote, Sam Caligione, and the owners of Home Sweet Homebrew

4. The Administrative hold-up, I think is because some of the entries into the competition this year may have been from pro-brewers or homebrewers brewing on commercial equipment. I think a couple brewers were familiar or known to be starting brewpubs. I think they organizers are trying to determine if some of these winners were actually eligible in the first place. This is purely speculation though. As I googled a couple of the repeat winners, and some results showed that they were starting or had ambitions of starting a brewery. However, I know lots of us are "head brewers" of our home brewery--I think this is different if someone is actually the brewer of a brewpub trying to get BJCP reviews of their test batches before going to market or opening.

Do you happen to remember who won BOS?

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

While we're waiting, here's a pic of my entry.

No pic showed up

 

[Coff]

I entered this competition last year, won a gold and silver if I can toot my own horn lol. I remember getting my score sheets by Wednesday, it didn't both me much bc the results were posted Sunday morning. It's a shame things are going so poorly.

 

[jeremy0209]

Yep, my phone is a piece of crap.

 

[Coff]

Looks great, what is it?

 

[jeremy0209]

Looks great, what is it?

Cascade Pale Ale....recipe on page 3. Too bad I only have 15 bottles left. On the bright side, there's more on the way.

 

[rexbanner]

You wouldn't believe the snarky A** comment that I got in a reply from Nancy of Home Sweet Homebrew when I asked how an administrative review worked for a beer competition and told them that it may be helpful to post something in this thread as to what the hold up may be. I'm glad I've never done business with them before.



I love the comment that "competitions were held long before the internet and computers"

Yeah, and we used to ride horses too. Doesn't mean I can't get there faster in my car. That's a BS argument. Why don't we go back to running our machines on whale oil too?

Good to finally hear someone chime in who was there. It does appear there was an issue that needs to be resolved. Not sure why they couldn't just post that on their site to prevent people getting mad.

4. The Administrative hold-up, I think is because some of the entries into the competition this year may have been from pro-brewers or homebrewers brewing on commercial equipment. I think a couple brewers were familiar or known to be starting brewpubs. I think they organizers are trying to determine if some of these winners were actually eligible in the first place. This is purely speculation though. As I googled a couple of the repeat winners, and some results showed that they were starting or had ambitions of starting a brewery. However, I know lots of us are "head brewers" of our home brewery--I think this is different if someone is actually the brewer of a brewpub trying to get BJCP reviews of their test batches before going to market or opening.

There is no issue here. You cannot disqualify someone because they are an "aspiring" professional brewer. Actually, you can't even disqualify a pro brewer so long as they didn't brew their entry on a commercial system. If that's really the issue, that's bull****.

 

[soonami]

You wouldn't believe the snarky A** comment that I got in a reply from Nancy of Home Sweet Homebrew when I asked how an administrative review worked for a beer competition and told them that it may be helpful to post something in this thread as to what the hold up may be. I'm glad I've never done business with them before.



I love the comment that "competitions were held long before the internet and computers"

Yeah, and we used to ride horses too. Doesn't mean I can't get there faster in my car. That's a BS argument. Why don't we go back to running our machines on whale oil too?

Good to finally hear someone chime in who was there. It does appear there was an issue that needs to be resolved. Not sure why they couldn't just post that on their site to prevent people getting mad.

I honestly think that she was just kidding and being sarcastic. I'm there pretty often, Nancy is a saucy lady I just know that there was an adjustment that had to be made based on the organizer not being able to make it to the event on Saturday so maybe they are just sorting through the paperwork and wanted to send out score sheets before posting the official results?

Do you happen to remember who won BOS?

Can't recall off the top of my head.

There is no issue here. You cannot disqualify someone because they are an "aspiring" professional brewer. Actually, you can't even disqualify a pro brewer so long as they didn't brew their entry on a commercial system. If that's really the issue, that's bull****.

I don't know what going on. I was just speculating stupidly

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

Can't recall off the top of my head.

Cool. I entered an IPA that I thought might challenge for a BOS. But, these things tend to be crapshoots though. It probably won't even place. lol

 

[dstar26t]

1st, 2nd and 3rd BOS was won by the same guy, Dennis Decker (spelling?). He had other awards too. It was a pretty small competition. I think categories 1 through 7 were combined. My Alt won 1st on the same table as my Hefeweizen that got 3rd.

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

1st, 2nd and 3rd BOS was won by the same guy, Dennis Decker (spelling?). He had other awards too. It was a pretty small competition. I think categories 1 through 7 were combined. My Alt won 1st on the same table as my Hefeweizen that got 3rd.

That explains the hold up on the results. Dennis Decker is a professional brewer according to this website.


http://www.elsinorebrewing.com/#!awards

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

HOPS BOPS rules:

Only home-brewed (not commercial or commercially assisted) beers may be entered (must conform to AHA guidelines for homebrew).
Entries that do not follow these guidelines and entry requirements will be disqualified. Disqualified entries may be judged but are not eligible for any of the awards.

AHA guidelines:

Your homebrew cannot have been brewed on equipment used to brew beverages for any
commercial purpose, whether for commercial research, production or any other purpose,
including equipment at brew-on-premises establishments.

According to that, assuming this Dennis is the same guy from Elsinore Brewing, he would be disqualified from winning awards.

 

[Timmush]

Dennis Decker is a ******!

 

[dstar26t]

It was all EBC named beers that won so I have to assume it is the same Dennis as Elsinore.

 

[iBrewR]

From his website, it looks like he stole some of the awards from honest homebrewers at this years BUZZ Off too.

Nothing against putting my beers up against the best, but rules are rules.

That said, the guy has put some damn good beer into competitions!