Hi-jack Alert!!!!!!!!!

[Nate]

I thought they took care of most of those problem but, I may have to stand corrected. I do remember seeing a video with a "fixed" AR that was buried in sand and even underwater that still operated, but maybe that was some custom demonstration video I saw and the military hasn't adopted.

Many people/companies have been working on piston ARs... this may be what you saw. They're basically the best of both worlds (in theory) with regard to an AK and an AR.

Here's one company...

 

[blacklab]

I am, I just watched Full Metal Jacket last night, I'm all about killing some hit right about now

You know what they say about zombies...kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

 

[dirtymike1]

I'll say my Z-day kit will include a good mix. I will definatly have a good bolt action for the long range, an AR-15 for the med.- close, the scatter gun for the up close and personal, and assorted handguns for when all else fails.

And I will stick to the prirates code, a black powder gun with one shot and one charge, if I fail.

 

[fifelee]

Like I said, it's fine in close quarters, but only in terms of knocking them down en masse and maybe blowing a few heads off. I prefer the combo of a semiauto sidearm, a lever/bolt-action scoped & silenced rifle, and a machete or katana. Between the sidearm and the machete, I'm fine in close quarters---I just don't really like the idea of lugging around a bulky shotgun for that specific purpose. Maybe keep one on hand in your home or bunker, but when the sh*t goes down and we have to bail, I'm leaving the scattergun behind.

You win. When the zombies attack you can be my leader.

 

[adrock]

Evan!, it seems like you and I are pretty much on the same page regarding zombie survival methods, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you a little here.

You've gotta have the shotty. I imagine in a widespread zombie-infestation, the ultimate goal is going to be to escape from immediate danger, not to kill 'em all. A shotgun would be a very effective weapon to that end. Need to get through a convenience store for supplies? Shotgun! Need to get a zombie off the back of your car? Shotgun! You're likely going to be at close range to shoot anyway, so to make it more portable saw 2/3 of the barrel off. That's zombie stopping power if I've ever seen it!

Disclaimer: I have not, in fact, ever seen zombie stopping power.

 

[dirtymike1]

You win. When the zombies attack you can be my leader.

Evan, I'm only a hour or so away, I'm coming to your place if this sh!t hits the fan!:rockin::rockin::rockin::rockin:

 

[srm775]

I suspect this may be a cultural thing, but I cannot for the life of me figure out who would look at an assault rifle and think "I really need to buy one of those". What sort of possible future event do people imagine that leads them to conclude that getting an assault rifle is the way to go?

I hope this doesn't come across as rude, as it's not meant that way. I'm just genuinely baffled by it.

I'm sure there are many, many people that look at you and your brewing labors and think "why on earth would you make your own beer."

You do brew your own beer because you like to, you enjoy and and it gives you satisfaction. Same reason to own and shoot. Whether it's a AR-15 or a Berretta over-under for skeet it's simply about being able to and what trips that person's trigger (no pun intended).

 

[Drunkensatyr]

I am pretty prepped and ready. The Good book never goes far. (ZSG that is) Got a nice place picked out that can be reached in about 5 days if walking. Plenty of ammo for the bolt action, lots of 00 buck for getting out of the house, water and canned food in the attic, axe on standby to chop the attic ladder off if need be, and plenty of machetes and files around for restoring that nice new zombie cleaving edge.

 

[srm775]

You've gotta have the shotty. I imagine in a widespread zombie-infestation, the ultimate goal is going to be to escape from immediate danger, not to kill 'em all. A shotgun would be a very effective weapon to that end. Need to get through a convenience store for supplies? Shotgun! Need to get a zombie off the back of your car? Shotgun! You're likely going to be at close range to shoot anyway, so to make it more portable saw 2/3 of the barrel off. That's zombie stopping power if I've ever seen it!

Disclaimer: I have not, in fact, ever seen zombie stopping power.

Agree on the shotgun, but no modifiying. Buckshot/double-0 (slugs if you have to).

Remember its about zombie stopping power :rockin:

And, zombie knockdown power is a myth

 

[user 574]

Danny Trejo is always ready for close combat with the zombies. Or hot looking vampire babes.

 

[RICLARK]

A street Sweeper and a Katana are the only weapons needed for zombie combat, Never use a flame thrower the zombies will run at you and set you onfire.

 

[Danek]

I'm sure there are many, many people that look at you and your brewing labors and think "why on earth would you make your own beer."

Yeah, true. When they do, I tell them that I brew beer, and bottle it, and overcarb it to nine or ten atmospheres, so that when Zombpocalyse comes I can use my lovingly brewed ales as anti-zombie grenades. Store them warm, shake them, aim for the head. That's the only reason I brew.

 

[FireBrewer]

(working on recipes, not antivirals )

 

[Nate]

Danny Trejo is always ready for close combat with the zombies. Or hot looking vampire babes.


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Worst Ginsu salesman ever?

 

[Brewpastor]

I am investing in ukuleles. Zombies beware! And as they say, they will have to pry my uke from my cold dead fingers.

 

[Drunkensatyr]

Straight from the good book:

At close range against human attackers, this weapon reigns supreme. Against the living dead, this is not entirely true. A good twelve-gauge shotgun can literally blow a zombies head off. However, the longer the range, the greater the pellet dispersal pattern, and the lesser chance of skull penetration. A solid slug would have the same effect as a rifle, even at greater range (provided the barrel is long enough), but in that case, why not just use a rifle? What shotguns do possess is stopping power. The scattering shot acts as a solid wall, whereas a rifle bullet might pass clean through or miss the target altogether. If you are cornered, or on the run, and need time to escape, a good shotgun blast can send several zombies sprawling. The downside of a shotgun is that the large, twelve-gauge shells are bulky and therefore burdensome when traveling and leave less room for other equipment. This must be considered if a long journey is required

Brooks, Max. The Zombie Survival Guide Complete Protection From The Living Dead New York: Three Rivers Press, 2003.

So I have to agree with Max here. Have a shotgun and keep it loaded, just don't plan on it being your go to zombie killer. If you have space, take one with you but that sharp blade should be your weapon of choice. After all, a quick slice is going to draw a lot less zombies than a gun shot.

 

[Nate]

I am investing in ukuleles. Zombies beware! And as they say, they will have to pry my uke from my cold dead fingers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoP3qFp0apQ

This is basically how they killed the Martians in Mars Attacks... might work for zombies.

 

[srm775]

Yeah, true. When they do, I tell them that I brew beer, and bottle it, and overcarb it to nine or ten atmospheres, so that when Zombpocalyse comes I can use my lovingly brewed ales as anti-zombie grenades. Store them warm, shake them, aim for the head. That's the only reason I brew.

Really? I just drink my beer.

 

[adrock]

Yeah, true. When they do, I tell them that I brew beer, and bottle it, and overcarb it to nine or ten atmospheres, so that when Zombpocalyse comes I can use my lovingly brewed ales as anti-zombie grenades. Store them warm, shake them, aim for the head. That's the only reason I brew.

For Heaven's sake man, don't say stuff like that on a homebrewing forum! When I thought about all that beer being wasted on zombies I teared up a little.

 

[Evan!]

Evan!, it seems like you and I are pretty much on the same page regarding zombie survival methods, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you a little here.

You've gotta have the shotty. I imagine in a widespread zombie-infestation, the ultimate goal is going to be to escape from immediate danger, not to kill 'em all. A shotgun would be a very effective weapon to that end. Need to get through a convenience store for supplies? Shotgun! Need to get a zombie off the back of your car? Shotgun! You're likely going to be at close range to shoot anyway, so to make it more portable saw 2/3 of the barrel off. That's zombie stopping power if I've ever seen it!

Disclaimer: I have not, in fact, ever seen zombie stopping power.

It's about priorities, and fact is, when you're on the move, you have a limited carrying capacity. And like Brooks notes, do you really wanna be lugging around those bulky shells? Sure, if you've got the space (like the trunk of a car), bring the scattergun. By all means! But Brooks makes another good point in that a blade is superior in most situations because it's silent and won't draw attention from far away.

Again, scattershot is great for holding back a horde while you get away, but all the things you mention---getting a zombie off your car, making your way through a convenience store, etc., can be achieved easily with one well-placed sidearm or rifle shot.

 

[EvilTOJ]

Another thing to consider is that a shotgun is effective for the living that are trying to do raids on your compound. Zombies won't be the only things trying to get you, Mad Max style thugs and thieves will try to steal your resources.

I've already got my plan in place in case the zeds decide to show up here, I'm just missing some guns. I hear there's some in Texas that'll be for sale soon...

 

[Evan!]

Another thing to consider is that a shotgun is effective for the living that are trying to do raids on your compound. Zombies won't be the only things trying to get you, Mad Max style thugs and thieves will try to steal your resources.

I've already got my plan in place in case the zeds decide to show up here, I'm just missing some guns. I hear there's some in Texas that'll be for sale soon...

As I've said before, a scattergun is a great addition to any home/bunker arsenal, but it's not something I'd grab on my way out the door...

 

[adrock]

As I've said before, a scattergun is a great addition to any home/bunker arsenal, but it's not something I'd grab on my way out the door...

Your choice Evan!, but don't come crying to me when your unwillingness to revise your position gets your face eaten off by a zombie!

I'm just kidding. You can come crying to me.

 

[BarleyWater]

How can he come crying with no face?

 

[Evan!]

Your choice Evan!, but don't come crying to me when your unwillingness to revise your position gets your face eaten off by a zombie!

I'm just kidding. You can come crying to me.

Yah, you can come crying to me when your face gets eaten off because you had to make a choice between a rifle and shotgun (carrying both, plus ammo, is quite a burden, and absolutely slows down your ability to escape and move undetected), and you chose the shotgun, and your place of refuge was quickly surrounded by hordes of the undead because one of them got inside and you unloaded both scattershot barrels in his head and alerted all the other zombies in the area, and were unable to pick them off from a safe location because, as I noted earlier, after about 10 feet, shotgun pellets are nothing but a minor annoyance to the undead, and by the time you were surrounded, it didn't matter how many scattershot rounds you had, because they kept on coming.

 

[Evan!]

I take it you haven't read WWZ or ZSG.

 

[nyer]

Yah, you can come crying to me when your face gets eaten off because you had to make a choice between a rifle and shotgun (carrying both, plus ammo, is quite a burden, and absolutely slows down your ability to escape and move undetected), and you chose the shotgun, and your place of refuge was quickly surrounded by hordes of the undead because one of them got inside and you unloaded both scattershot barrels in his head and alerted all the other zombies in the area, and were unable to pick them off from a safe location because, as I noted earlier, after about 10 feet, shotgun pellets are nothing but a minor annoyance to the undead, and by the time you were surrounded, it didn't matter how many scattershot rounds you had, because they kept on coming.

I think you need to stop drinking right now.

 

[Evan!]

I think you need to stop drinking right now.

I'm sober as a monkey. I haven't even left work yet. It's just that I happen to have worked out the logistics of many possible undead crisis scenarios in my head, and it's apparent that not enough others have.

 

[dirtymike1]

I think we all have way too much time on our hands

 

[nyer]

I'm sober as a monkey. I haven't even left work yet. It's just that I happen to have worked out the logistics of many possible undead crisis scenarios in my head, and it's apparent that not enough others have.

I thought you couldn't kill the undead. I always figured if they came looking for me I was doomed.