Heady Topper

[theveganbrewer]

Oh yeah, I forgot, too many threads going through my mind. Really like the color you've got, looks tropical.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Oh yeah, I forgot, too many threads going through my mind. Really like the color you've got, looks tropical.

Smells and tastes tropical too!

 

[Xpertskir]

Just pitched some Conan in an Amarillo wheat, a house beer of mine, so I can get an idea of conans character. I also pitched some in a one gallon starter.

Robust porter this weekend, then a heady attempt sometime next week.

Has anyone used simpsons golden oats in an attempt yet?

 

[flyingfinbar]

Weird question... Who's getting good results and dry hopping with pellets?

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Has anyone used simpsons golden oats in an attempt yet?

I haven't yet, but that's part of the plan for the small batches I have coming up.

 

[Coff]

Weird question... Who's getting good results and dry hopping with pellets?

My clone attempt was all pellets and it turned out wonderful. You can see my tasting notes in post #762

 

[IanJ]

Coff, I'm going to try your latest recipe and remove some Amarillo as you mentioned... just as soon as I can culture some Conan from the can in my fridge.

Although it'll probably be at least a month from now, at this point, but I'll post updates if I have any success.

 

[Coff]

Coff, I'm going to try your latest recipe and remove some Amarillo as you mentioned... just as soon as I can culture some Conan from the can in my fridge.

Although it'll probably be at least a month from now, at this point, but I'll post updates if I have any success.

Cool, keep me updated. I plan to give this another go in a few weeks. I'll report back the changes I made.

I realize my grain bill might not be helping in getting this beer cloned, but I really think that the main issue is the blend of hops and not the grist.

 

[FATC1TY]

I have a hop schedule, that I swear... the aroma and the flavor are like.... so close it's not even funny.. Wish I had a fresh can to compare, but from memory, it's really close.

Granted... my grain bill isn't like what we all assume it is, and I also didn't use Conan. But... my DIPA I made taste like a hoppy pineapple juice with a washed over pine resin note.

 

[EyePeeA]

It's right about 5 gal.

And that's a 5 gallon carboy? The reason I ask is because it seems like you have about a gallon of space taken up by the dryhops. I was thinking about racking my 4 gallons to a 5 gallon secondary in hops that my dryhop will take up the empty headspace.

This is 3 oz, it's the first dry hop. I will do another 3 oz in a keg that I'll hit with co2 (through the "out" post) every 6-8 hrs for a few days before transferring to the serving keg.

Makes perfect sense. That should yield good results.

 

[theveganbrewer]

I have a hop schedule, that I swear... the aroma and the flavor are like.... so close it's not even funny.. Wish I had a fresh can to compare, but from memory, it's really close.

Granted... my grain bill isn't like what we all assume it is, and I also didn't use Conan. But... my DIPA I made taste like a hoppy pineapple juice with a washed over pine resin note.

What dry hops?

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

What dry hops?

Right!! Can't just tease us like that, man.

 

[skibb]

I'm starting to think Horizon > Nugget (it's sister hop I think)

Finding out though CYBI that Lagunitas uses this hop a lot - and after tasting their beers I've noticed quite a few of them have a big tropical note. Go on to BA and type in horizon, and you will see all the single hop beers made with it pretty much all have tropical as one of the main descriptors.

Also, the Alchemist used to brew a Mild called Shut The Hell Up using horizon hops exclusively, so we know he has used or uses this hop at least.

 

[theveganbrewer]

Right now, I'm more concerned with getting more dankness and pine, that's what's missing from attempt 1. Attempt two is much closer. I think if anyone did a side by side with fresh Heady and a Citra beer, they'd be blown away with the amount of dank pine in Heady.

 

[chutracheese]

It's probably hard to describe, but what do mean by "dank"?

 

[bobbrews]

It's probably hard to describe, but what do mean by "dank"?

Like sniffing a bag of fresh Marijuana from Cali (resinous, skunky, piney, oily, herbaceous, intoxicating) - aka Dank.

In an equally dry and highly aromatic beer with a ton of hops overall, Russian River achieves this with Pliny by overloading on CTZ/Simcoe/Centennial hopshot and pellets at all stages (early/middle/late/dryhop).

 

[theveganbrewer]

Like sniffing a bag of fresh Marijuana from Cali (resinous, skunky, piney, oily, herbaceous, intoxicating) - aka Dank.

In an equally dry and highly aromatic beer with a ton of hops overall, Russian River achieves this with Pliny by overloading on CTZ/Simcoe/Centennial hopshot and pellets at all stages (early/middle/late/dryhop).

:fro: Let's smoke a bowl of Simcoe/Columbus guys! :fro:

I am trying a Simcoe/Columbus/Chinook dryhop. Simcoe/Columbus is very close IMO.

 

[fredthebaker]

I would give this a shot, and be happy to add my results and ideas if someone has some extra Conan they could send me, I would get it ramped up from there. Obviously a can of Heady would be excellent, but the yeast would be just fine. I'd pay for it as well.

Did you get your Conan? If not, I have some extra.

 

[thood6]

Did you get your Conan? If not, I have some extra.

I'd love to contribute if you have extra

 

[gcdowd]

:fro: Let's smoke a bowl of Simcoe/Columbus guys! :fro:

I am trying a Simcoe/Columbus/Chinook dryhop. Simcoe/Columbus is very close IMO.

Let me know how turns out. I've been crafting an IPA wanting a really dank combo of hops....and my late addition, aroma steep and dry hop are going to be equal parts Chinook, Columbus, and simcoe. I thought I was being original : mug:

 

[theveganbrewer]

Let me know how turns out. I've been crafting an IPA wanting a really dank combo of hops....and my late addition, aroma steep and dry hop are going to be equal parts Chinook, Columbus, and simcoe. I thought I was being original : mug:

Let us know how that turns out. Have you had Heady before? I am at something like 3:1:1 on Simcoe, Columbus, Chinook at the moment, would be interested what 1:1:1 is like so I can save some Simcoe.

 

[gcdowd]

Let us know how that turns out. Have you had Heady before? I am at something like 3:1:1 on Simcoe, Columbus, Chinook at the moment, would be interested what 1:1:1 is like so I can save some Simcoe.

I've def had heady. I'm currently crafting just a normal IPA with summit for bittering. Then, I'm doing half oz Columbus and half oz Chinook at 15. Then doing oz each of Columbus, Chinook, Simcoe at 2 min, then again an ounce each for an aroma steep once I chill the wort to around 170. Then I'm dry hopping with 1.5 oz Columbus, 1.5 oz Chinook and 1 oz Simcoe. I'll definitely let you know how it turns out but I probably won't brew it for another few weeks, then another month or so to age. It may be a while.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

Like sniffing a bag of fresh Marijuana from Cali (resinous, skunky, piney, oily, herbaceous, intoxicating) - aka Dank.

In an equally dry and highly aromatic beer with a ton of hops overall, Russian River achieves this with Pliny by overloading on CTZ/Simcoe/Centennial hopshot and pellets at all stages (early/middle/late/dryhop).

Very good description of "dank". For those of you who aren't aware, "dank" (aside from the dictionary def.) is a term used to describe high quality pot. Since pot and hops are cousins and share similar aromas, the term has been used to describe beers with a strong, marijuana character in the flavor and aroma.

Personally, I've always thought of Heady as one of the more dank IPAs, it has all those aromas I associate with "dank"; citrus, cat, pine, forest, tropical juicy fruit, etc.

 

[chutracheese]

Thanks for help with "dank" Bobbrews and Nordeast.

 

[fredthebaker]

I'd love to contribute if you have extra

How does one go about safely shipping yeast? And by contribute...?

 

[Coff]

A while back itt thread I said I was going to be sending some slurry to a microbiologist, long story short he had a can of heady and cultured it up himself and just recently got back to me. His response...

Conan is an ale yeast (S. cerevisae)

Not that we didnt already know/assume that but at least the whole lager bottling strain is officially debunked. he is running tests of it on some unhopped wort to get a better idea of the flavor profile.

 

[FATC1TY]

What dry hops?

2ounces of Simcoe and 1 ounce of Amarillo and 1 oz of cascade. All leaf. All added to the keg for 2 weeks. It's insane. I'm gonna leave them in there. No grassy taste.

 

[cscade]

What are the chances someone with access to Conan and good culturing skills would be willing to grow up starters and ship out samples to interested parties? It sounds like a very interesting yeast.

No reasonable person would hope for this for free of course

 

[TNGabe]

A while back itt thread I said I was going to be sending some slurry to a microbiologist, long story short he had a can of heady and cultured it up himself and just recently got back to me. His response...



Not that we didnt already know/assume that but at least the whole lager bottling strain is officially debunked. he is running tests of it on some unhopped wort to get a better idea of the flavor profile.

Oh man, you're going to confuse people by bringing this up again!

 

[Xpertskir]

Well my first Conan ferment is wrapping up and man, that stuff is a beast. Ferments hard and fast even in the high 50's.

Between wlp007 and now Conan I may officially be done with California ale yeast.