GOOD on Netflix STREAMING?

[cheezydemon3]

***Dead Horse*** + ***Stick*** = Hours of fun....

It would make sense for HBO's production value to generally be better than AMC's (regardless of show) due to experience. They also tend to spend a bit more per episode but they keep more of it from the cutting room floor. Remember, AMC is still new to the game. That doesn't mean their product is crap... And you can have superior story, quirks, and things thrown in for the fans and have crappy production value. Take earlier conversations for example... Evil Dead is still pretty popular in spite of it being like three decades old and being done in clay-mation. I would claim Tucker&DaleVSEvil is low production too... it doesn't change that fact that it has quite a following here. Dead Alive wasn't the best produced Jackson film ever made, but I'd wager it's probably more than a few people's favorite film from Jackson.

Leave Artax outta this. (BA dum dum)

THIS^ *And please hear me....Schemmy, Hunterla5, Accidic. You are all very cool people on here. I am not beating the Artax, I think there is a valid discussion to be had....*

Value Definition 1

If VALUE means quality of recording equipment, Gross salaries paid to actors and directors, cost of locations, "spared no expense" type stuff, then YES, HBO spends more/has more "Value"....

Value Definition 2

If MEGA PAY CHANNEL A has a huge budget and makes a show with a CHEEZYDEMON STRATIFICATIONARY EXTRAPOLATORY INDEX SCORE (hereafter CSEI) of 65

AND

Medium Cable Network Channel B makes a better show (CSEI of 93), on a shoestring budget...(lesser name actors, less paid director, etc.)


Which one had better production VALUE?

To me, it looks like B got more bang for their buck, or VALUE.

Maybe Schemy meant Production Quality........but I would have given him crap the for that too, lol.



Honestly I have a chip on my shoulder.

AMC came oughtta NOWHERE and did things no one thought they could. Does this make them Better than HBO?

They are kinda apples and oranges, but if we are JUST talking shows, do we include Band of Brothers?

In the end, Channels pick shows. They have to be smart and lucky to get a high percentage of GOOD shows. Then they have to have "Good enough" Production. They can't make The walking dead with a camcorder and a highschool drama class. To Schemmy's point (if I may) there has to be at least a certain level of production "value" and higher "value" doesn't hurt.

Netflix has a had a stinker or 2 , but they are KILLLING it as far as I am concerned.

 

[cheezydemon3]

http://youtu.be/y688upqmRXo

 

[Accidic]

@Cheezy, You're trying to treat "Production Value" as if it meant 'bang for the buck.' *Production Value* refers to the the mishmash of items used to create the final result (at the artistic/quality level).

Oh, and AMC didn't so much come out of left field, they decided that's what they wanted, found a company to make it so on their behalf, and pulled out their checkbooks. That's why Netflix is getting better and better (Amazon ISN'T there yet.). HBO is well practiced so it's not exactly a fair playing field admittedly, but I'd go so far as to say the story quality on the other vehicles is frequently better elsewhere than HBO whereas they (HBO and some of the other premium pay channels) depend on titillating material and lack of censorship to get viewership. That of course doesn't mean they don't occasionally have good writing. We're enjoying Deadwood presently and it's so very NOT my type of show.

 

[cheezydemon3]

@Cheezy, You're trying to treat "Production Value" as if it meant 'bang for the buck.' *Production Value* refers to the the mishmash of items used to create the final result (at the artistic/quality level).

Oh, and AMC didn't so much come out of left field, they decided that's what they wanted, found a company to make it so on their behalf, and pulled out their checkbooks. That's why Netflix is getting better and better (Amazon ISN'T there yet.). HBO is well practiced so it's not exactly a fair playing field admittedly, but I'd go so far as to say the story quality on the other vehicles is frequently better elsewhere than HBO whereas they (HBO and some of the other premium pay channels) depend on titillating material and lack of censorship to get viewership. That of course doesn't mean they don't occasionally have good writing. We're enjoying Deadwood presently and it's so very NOT my type of show.

That was just one of the options. The other I cited was the mish mash of equipment and well paid staff.

Boardwalk Empire is pretty darned good and Band of Brothers is AMAZING.

Again though, I will ask: If HBO (or anyone for that matter) makes a show with the highest paid staff ever, and the highest quality equipment ever, that produces a horrible show, did they really have "High Production Value"?

If so, they should change that word.

 

[Accidic]

It could have good production value but be just god awful. Having a good cast (not to mention a high paid one) doesn't guarantee a hit of course. I think the confusing part is kind of the same principle as Inflammable and Flammable which mean the exact same thing even though most people assume Inflammable means that it won't burn. The words "Production Value" if taken at face value imply that bang for the buck thing but in reality it's more the spit and polish that makes it clean.

Good recent movie examples might be something like Noah for example. Great actors, nice production value, but your left going... WHAT THE BLOODY @#$%??? Or perhaps Hercules might be a better example sidestepping the faith issues.

 

[Accidic]

OH! Or The Last Airbender.

 

[Schemy]

All I meant was that I thought the HBO show (Deadwood) was better than the AMC show (Hell on Wheels), even though I enjoyed/enjoy both shows. It was solely meant as a comparison of these two shows, not as an indictment of AMC's productions. I didn't mean to turn this into a huge deal. Artax is dead, let him stay that way.

 

[cheezydemon3]

All I meant was that I thought the HBO show (Deadwood) was better than the AMC show (Hell on Wheels), even though I enjoyed/enjoy both shows. It was solely meant as a comparison of these two shows, not as an indictment of AMC's productions. I didn't mean to turn this into a huge deal. Artax is dead, let him stay that way.

We are OK Brother!! I wanted an education on what the word meant. That is the only reason we are still discussing it.

Sounds like you were right actually.

HBO has a bigger budget. They have higher paid talent that makes great shows like Boardwalk Empire, and Higher paid morons that make shows like Tru Blood.

 

[weirdboy]

Although to be fair, I also feel that True Detective is better than The Killing.

 

[cheezydemon3]

I need to check out true detective!

 

[cheezydemon3]

I need to check out true detective!

 

[hunter_le five]

I need to check out true detective!

Yes, yes you do.

It's awesome. So many great quotes.

 

[Accidic]

Anyone seen "Lost Girl?" Looks pervy, and, well, canadian.

 

[weirdboy]

I have been going back through the X-Files, having started again from the first episode. I am now in season 3 and have come across an episode featuring Giovanni Ribisi and Jack Black (playing teenage nerdy slackers) as supporting characters. They look so young!

 

[WeaponTheyFear]

The Bridge. On episodes 6 and it's a great show.

 

[weirdboy]

The Bridge. On episodes 6 and it's a great show.

This is not available on Netflix or Amazon Prime. How are you streaming it?

 

[WeaponTheyFear]

This is not available on Netflix or Amazon Prime. How are you streaming it?

I must be mistaking Netflix for HuluPlus then.

 

[Hello]

I must be mistaking Netflix for HuluPlus then.

You are. I just watched the first season and it's only on Hulu.

 

[WeaponTheyFear]

You are. I just watched the first season and it's only on Hulu.

Close enough. Either way great show. I think Hulu has actually gotten better than Netflix.

 

[Hello]

Close enough. Either way great show. I think Hulu has actually gotten better than Netflix.

Totally close enough. Aside from adverts, I have to agree mostly.

I just started watching Haven on netflix. It's okay right now at 2 am.

 

[Homercidal]

Anyone seen "Lost Girl?" Looks pervy, and, well, canadian.

Pervy AND Canadian?

I admit I am slightly curious to know what Canadians consider pervy....

 

[weirdboy]

Pervy AND Canadian?

I admit I am slightly curious to know what Canadians consider pervy....

I'm not sure, but I think it involves hockey.

 

[Homercidal]

I'm not sure, but I think it involves hockey.

Like when you deke five-hole and shoot top shelf?

 

[cheezydemon3]

Close enough. Either way great show. I think Hulu has actually gotten better than Netflix.

Can you watch latest episodes of Walking Dead? (when it is on)

I found Hulu to be VERY niche.

If you love 30rock and How I met your mother, it is FANTASTICAL!!!!

If you want to watch BSG, or recent TWD, or Breaking bad, you were oughta luck.

OH! and the interface is virtual Dog Sh!t. Worst I have ever seen. Even on the Wii which has the pointer it was total crap.

(FWIW, the Wii interface for Netflix and AP are AMAZING.)

Pervy AND Canadian?

I admit I am slightly curious to know what Canadians consider pervy....

American Mary....

 

[hunter_le five]

To me with Hulu and Netflix, it's not a better-or-worse scenario, they just fill different roles. I have both and for <$20, I'm still saving a fortune over what I was paying for cable. Netflix has a lot of great movies and some great tv shows, while Hulu has *some* good movies and a lot of current and older tv.

I hate the interface on both. Hulu because it's just a garbage interface, Netflix because it's too preoccupied with telling me what it *thinks* I want to watch, instead of letting me actually see the full catalog. (On Roku and Xbox360, never tried it any other way).

I've been thinking about pulling the trigger on AP just to get access to some of HBOs older stuff and a few of the other holes in Netflix's library. I just wish they had a month-to-month plan like Hulu and NF.

 

[cheezydemon3]

To me with Hulu and Netflix, it's not a better-or-worse scenario, they just fill different roles. I have both and for <$20, I'm still saving a fortune over what I was paying for cable. Netflix has a lot of great movies and some great tv shows, while Hulu has *some* good movies and a lot of current and older tv.

I hate the interface on both. Hulu because it's just a garbage interface, Netflix because it's too preoccupied with telling me what it *thinks* I want to watch, instead of letting me actually see the full catalog. (On Roku and Xbox360, never tried it any other way).

I've been thinking about pulling the trigger on AP just to get access to some of HBOs older stuff and a few of the other holes in Netflix's library. I just wish they had a month-to-month plan like Hulu and NF.

For ME AP is worth it. Same deal.

Netfix and AP battle it out for things. A few things are on both, but Netflix has 80 times the number of movies, while AP has WAY more shows.

 

[jason.mundy]

This is the way to go for netflix. It is a mashup of the netflix catalog and rotten tomato scores...

http://abetterqueue.com

 

[BigPicture]

I've had nothing but trouble with PlayOn for the Roku. Increadible selection of channels but mine keeps "loading" and "loading". I get the idea I must upgrade my internet before I can ever watch it consistently.

 

[weirdboy]

I've had nothing but trouble with PlayOn for the Roku. Increadible selection of channels but mine keeps "loading" and "loading". I get the idea I must upgrade my internet before I can ever watch it consistently.

I must be missing something, but what does PlayOn get you that you cannot get on the Roku without it anyway?

 

[BigPicture]

There is alot of redundancies with Playon & Roku, but there are a few channels that are currently available with Playon that do not have a channel yet on Roku. The biggest selling point for me is current videos that are only on the internet. Playon & Plex are both video streamers/converters for the Roku. The Plex is free.

Not that I would ever do it, but you can download a compatible torrent in a video format, put it on a memory stick or a media server, and play it at your leisure on the Roku. No skips, bumps, loading, or buffering issues. The 1 bummer is you'll have to plan your TV watching & put forth some effort to watch your shows, but the benefit is it's all for free.

Free is Key. Cash is King.

I've already saved over $150 from my cable service in just 2 months. I'll never go back to a pay service.