I guess, but not really apples to apples in the BB vs TB comparison. Whereas Deadwood vs HoW is.
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I guess, but not really apples to apples in the BB vs TB comparison. Whereas Deadwood vs HoW is.
HoppyDaze
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Ok Schemy... Breaking Bad vs Sopranos
Wouldn't Sopranos be a better comparison to Breaking Bad than True Blood? I would say Weeds but I'm thinking that was Showtime.
True Blood targets a slightly older age group (aka, just out of their teens or Vamp/Wolves/etc nuts) with a Twilightesque story sans creepy **** issues. They also dial back the annoying main chick quite a few levels which, while still overly annoying, doesn't make you want to bludgeon yourself. Either way, I don't really think their "production value" is their main selling point.
That said, while I don't think it's a very fair comparison as you're trying to skew based upon disdain and unbelievable supernatural garbage versus one grounded a little firmer in reality... True Blood's production value isn't completely awful. Considering the effects requirement differences with the two genre's, it isn't that good of a comparison since they're budgeted about the same (with TB with small leads at times).
True Blood targets a slightly older age group (aka, just out of their teens or Vamp/Wolves/etc nuts) with a Twilightesque story sans creepy **** issues. They also dial back the annoying main chick quite a few levels which, while still overly annoying, doesn't make you want to bludgeon yourself. Either way, I don't really think their "production value" is their main selling point.
That said, while I don't think it's a very fair comparison as you're trying to skew based upon disdain and unbelievable supernatural garbage versus one grounded a little firmer in reality... True Blood's production value isn't completely awful. Considering the effects requirement differences with the two genre's, it isn't that good of a comparison since they're budgeted about the same (with TB with small leads at times).
GDI, forget I said anything. If Hoppy said it it must be wrong. 
I am totally baffled why these comparisons are even being made to begin with.
Schemy was making a very specific comparison of Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels and somehow you crazy people are extrapolating that to Breaking Bad vs. HBO or some nonsense.
Schemy was making a very specific comparison of Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels and somehow you crazy people are extrapolating that to Breaking Bad vs. HBO or some nonsense.
HoppyDaze
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This post doesn't compare to your other posts.
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Comparatively, my nod would go to AMC for storylines typically and HBO for production value. Seems like a fairly reasonable leap. Then again, AMC didn't even have a good series that I can think of until after Deadwood was canceled.
hunter_le five
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Read the words:
I'm not saying that that Breaking Bad > Tru Blood/Sopranos, or really taking any stance, other than saying Cheezy's comment hardly came out of left field.
Schemy posited the notion that HBO shows had better production values than AMC shows. Cheezy responded with his opinion about AMC's production values, even if it wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison.
But how is comparing "Breaking Bad vs. HBO" in any way "crazy" or "nonsense" given the context? Breaking Bad is an AMC show. It is (arguably) better than some HBO show, thus the argument is contradicting something Schemy said. Hardly seems like nonsense.
My wife will also give a show a little bit more leeway when the production value is decent to good. Both AMC and HBO spend 3-5m/episode anyway (with the 5m part of the spectrum more commonly occupied by HBO but then their episodes are what, 40% longer?).
Muahaha, someone could have made a big leap and went with something like "Vampire Diaries" vs "True Blood." /cringe I realize it is a different network and basically irrelevant but to be honest, I didn't want to have to bear the brunt of that imagery on my own.
Muahaha, someone could have made a big leap and went with something like "Vampire Diaries" vs "True Blood." /cringe I realize it is a different network and basically irrelevant but to be honest, I didn't want to have to bear the brunt of that imagery on my own.
Also, RiP Robin Williams. http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/854.pdf
Mongrel
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The Fisher King is available for streaming...but, I don't think I could watch that performance today. RIP
Been watching The Mad Max trilogy with the kid since she hasn't seen it yet and of course because the next movie is coming out soon and it looks AWESOME! I *Think* it's supposed to happen between the first and second movie (Since the Last of the V8 Interceptors was demolished in a roll-over and explosion in the second movie, and it's BACK in the 4th movie...)
Downloading Thunderdome now. Netflix really needs to start hosting all 3 of the originals...
Downloading Thunderdome now. Netflix really needs to start hosting all 3 of the originals...
If you are going to quote it to stake your argument, quote the entire post. I should have stated Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels, but I assumed that was implied given then rest of the post was specifically about that. But, hey use it to suit whatever argument you'd like.
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cheezydemon3
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Well, considering it was a direct reply to THIS v
Did you seriously forget making this statement?
See it now? No? Didn't think so! Sorry we are so CRAZY! Thanks for playing.
Didn't forget, just thought it was implied to those specific shows. And in the case of Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels, I stand by the statement.
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cheezydemon3
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I will give you HoW vs DW
The word "Also," seemed to make the following statement "AMC vs HBO etc...." a broad and sweeping statement.
I meant no argument, I just took offense to the seeming "HBO is always better" statement that I thought you were making.
No worries my friend!
Easy guys. It's not a big deal. At the end of the day if we want to draw parallels with Smurfs and The Sopranos, they're both streamed on Netflix/Amazon... That should be our right. After all, Gargamel was a pretty good representation of "The Man."
PS, fwiw Schemy, your answer answered exactly what I was looking for to the T.
HoppyDaze
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Family Guy vs South Park
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hunter_le five
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You implied that Deadwood was better than HoW because Deadwood is HBO and HoW is AMC, and HBO has better production values than AMC. Just because you were using the comparison to talk about Deadwood/HoW doesn't negate the broad statements you made about production values of HBO and AMC respectively.
I'm not taking this out of context or trying to twist your words. I don't even disagree with your statement. I'm just saying that in the context of your post, Cheezy's post wasn't something out of the great blue yonder. You act like he just randomly interjected with a long rambling diatribe about his preference for dog scrotums over hooker spit as a pizza topping.
Anywho, I'll drop it now. I suppose I'm silly for even arguing the point in the first place. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I'm out of Scrubs episodes to watch, and quite sad about it.
Actually I think he explicitly stated he liked HoW's story and what he felt was realism better... But he felt the HBO one had better production value. This seems pretty likely anyway in my eyes as their (AMC) first couple series (Breaking Bad and Mad Men (Sony and ???)) were done by other studios. The Walking Dead is a purely AMC vehicle. Pretty sure HoW was as well. As such, they're still kind of learning.
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cheezydemon3
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Glad I wasn't the only one HunterLa5, but he is saying that what he typed was not what he meant.
OK! Back OT.
Ever since the southpark episode, implying that manatees were writing Family Guy, I can't unsee it. I can't even watch Family Guy. Meanwhile southpark still seems to SHOCK hilariously every single god damned episode.
OK! Back OT.
Ever since the southpark episode, implying that manatees were writing Family Guy, I can't unsee it. I can't even watch Family Guy. Meanwhile southpark still seems to SHOCK hilariously every single god damned episode.
You all cant get along therefore, you will... NARFTLE THE GARTHOK!
I enjoy South Park more than Family Guy personally. It's not that the offensiveness is disparate, but I guess it's easier to stomach the way they present it in South Park as opposed to Family Guy to me personally. There are admittedly some throwbacks they do on Family Guy though that are without equal and hilarious.
Also, in spite of his stupidity, foolishness, ego, and well pansy-ness... Eric Cartman is still a beast. The Chili episode is still one of the best yet simultaneously disturbing episodes ever.
I fixed my original post to help clarify exactly what I meant. Better?
hunter_le five
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Okay, I'm a g*ddamn dirty liar.
So does HBO have better productions values than AMC or not?
Saying "Deadwood has better production values than Hell on Wheels" is not the same as saying "HBO has better production values than AMC". Yet you keep getting frustrated when we don't interpret the former while you explicitly state the latter.
This is what I have issue with:
If it's just "in the case of Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels", why do you keep comparing their respective networks?
So does HBO have better productions values than AMC or not?
Saying "Deadwood has better production values than Hell on Wheels" is not the same as saying "HBO has better production values than AMC". Yet you keep getting frustrated when we don't interpret the former while you explicitly state the latter.
This is what I have issue with:
Yet somehow Cheezy's reply is out of order?
If it's just "in the case of Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels", why do you keep comparing their respective networks?
HoppyDaze
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I just like how they say '**********' every other word in Deadwood, and 'thoroughfare'
***Dead Horse*** + ***Stick*** = Hours of fun....Okay, I'm a g*ddamn dirty liar.
So does HBO have better productions values than AMC or not?
Saying "Deadwood has better production values than Hell on Wheels" is not the same as saying "HBO has better production values than AMC". Yet you keep getting frustrated when we don't interpret the former while you explicitly state the latter.
This is what I have issue with:
Yet somehow Cheezy's reply is out of order?
If it's just "in the case of Deadwood vs Hell on Wheels", why do you keep comparing their respective networks?
It would make sense for HBO's production value to generally be better than AMC's (regardless of show) due to experience. They also tend to spend a bit more per episode but they keep more of it from the cutting room floor. Remember, AMC is still new to the game. That doesn't mean their product is crap... And you can have superior story, quirks, and things thrown in for the fans and have crappy production value. Take earlier conversations for example... Evil Dead is still pretty popular in spite of it being like three decades old and being done in clay-mation. I would claim Tucker&DaleVSEvil is low production too... it doesn't change that fact that it has quite a following here. Dead Alive wasn't the best produced Jackson film ever made, but I'd wager it's probably more than a few people's favorite film from Jackson.
Or, as in the South Park about Broadway, all the bj's are idea planters?
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