Getting hives from drinking homebrew?

[IdkAnything]

Short and quick. I recently made my first batch of homebrew which consisted of great value Apple juice, white sugar, and MO2 hard cider yeast. I let t ferment for 3 weeks then bottled. I recently tried it yesterday and about an hour after trying it I had a few small red bumps on my skin. I went to bed and today I woke up with my whole arms and legs covered with inflamed skin and redness all over. Could I be allergic to something in my brew or no? Usually I only drink hard liquor so idk if maybe the yeast could have caused this? Or another ingredient

 

[firerat]

Silly question, but you're not allergic to apples are you?

Did you do anything else different?

Did you use any kind of sanitizer / cleaner that you may have an allergy to?

Have you ever had any similar reactions to yeast before?

 

[rmyurick]

I was gonna say maybe preservatives, but according to the Walmart website, it has none. You could have a yeast allergy, I guess. How long was it in the bottles? Did it look clear? You might want to give it some time to settle out.

 

[IdkAnything]

I have a feeling that it was the yeast but yeast is also in breads, maybe just because beer has so much more in it? I was thinking maybe if I killed off the yeast, it would help. Idk is there a way to narrow down what ingredient caused it.

No it's very foggy.
I bottled it that day

 

[JoshuaW]

I have a feeling that it was the yeast but yeast is also in breads, maybe just because beer has so much more in it? I was thinking maybe if I killed off the yeast, it would help. Idk is there a way to narrow down what ingredient caused it.

No it's very foggy.
I bottled it that day

Your brew would have live yeast, bread has been baked and the yeast killed in the process. So its possible.

 

[IdkAnything]

Your brew would have live yeast, bread has been baked and the yeast killed in the process. So its possible.

What's the best way to kill off living yeast? Would I use like Camden pills? I heard those arn't 100% effective at killing all the yeast

Would this stop my aging process?

 

[EJay]

Are your allergic to shellfish? If so, did you use iodophor?

 

[stevedasleeve]

My guess is you got hives from one of your drinking buddies... it's hard to find good help these days...

 

[firerat]

What's the best way to kill off living yeast? Would I use like Camden pills? I heard those arn't 100% effective at killing all the yeast

Would this stop my aging process?

You can pasteurize your bottles.

Here's a good how to:

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=193295

As far as stopping the aging process, I don't know enough about that to have a good answer.

 

[passedpawn]

A guy in my brew club was allergic to the yeast. He had to be really careful cold crashing and racking, and eventually started filtering everything. He was certain about this BTW. I don't recall what type of reaction he had since he had it completely under control when he joined our group.

 

[IdkAnything]

Pasteurizeing seems like an easy effective way to kill yeast off. Is there anything else too it? Like will it give it off flavors, weaken the apple flavor, or stop the agin process?

 

[firerat]

Pasteurizeing seems like an easy effective way to kill yeast off. Is there anything else too it? Like will it give it off flavors, weaken the apple flavor, or stop the agin process?

Take a minute and read through that thread I posted.

You'll find a lot of good info in there. A lot better info than I can give you anyways.

 

[azazel1024]

Iodine allergies are not related to shellfish. Shellfish alergies are a reaction to the muscle protien that shellfish contain.

There ARE however, people who ARE allergic to Iodine on its own. So it is possible if you used iodine as a disinfectant that you are reacting to it. There are also allergies to other things that could possibly be present in the cider.

Or it could have been coincidental and caused by exposure to something else proximal to when you drank the cider.

Any known allergies at all?

 

[Natdavis777]

Iodine allergies are not related to shellfish. Shellfish alergies are a reaction to the muscle protien that shellfish contain.

There ARE however, people who ARE allergic to Iodine on its own. So it is possible if you used iodine as a disinfectant that you are reacting to it.

Damn, you beat me to the punch.

 

[Natdavis777]

On a side note, you could take 50mg diphenhydramine before having a bottle or two, and see if you still get the hives. Chances are though, you will only be able to drink one glass before falling asleep.

 

[IdkAnything]

I didn't sanatize my fermentation container with a product, just used boiling water

 

[ACbrewer]

I didn't sanatize my fermentation container with a product, just used boiling water

While that is doable, I'm not sure of anyone here who would recommend that method.

Part of the concern is time - that is to sanitize something it matters what method and how long you are to do it. I think boiling is a 20 minute process, so you might not have gotten as sanitized as you thought (I think it is generally defined as 99.5% bacteria killed, but it might not have a standard).

Anyhow, it is possible that you grew a little something else that left something behind before the yeast terminated it. But I doubt it as most of us with sanitation don't kill enough to prevent that senerio. Anyhow, look up sanitation links and pick out a better solution than boiling water. I like both Starsan (acid) or Iophor (iodine).

 

[IdkAnything]

I'm going to pasteurize what I have and drink one and see if I have the same reaction before. If so I don't know what I'll do.. Drinking your own homebrewed beer is much more satisfying than buying it

 

[Quadrupled]

What's the best way to kill off living yeast? Would I use like Camden pills? I heard those arn't 100% effective at killing all the yeast

Would this stop my aging process?

If it is the yeast, don't count on dead yeast equalling a hive-free experience. Killing the yeast means you'll have dead yeast, it does not necessarily mean you'll remove the antigen to which you are allergic.

As passedpawn suggested, I'd recommend removal through filtering.

 

[passedpawn]

If it is the yeast, don't count on dead yeast equalling a hive-free experience. Killing the yeast means you'll have dead yeast, it does not necessarily mean you'll remove the antigen to which you are allergic.

As passedpawn suggested, I'd recommend removal through filtering.

I did say that, but it's probably a lot to ask for someone who just made their first fermented product. He's going to need the plate filter assy and a kegging assy (keg, CO2).

This would be a good uses of Magic Beans of Fermentation (yeast immobilized in beads). Get some simple compounds from amazon (they are cheap), make your beads; simple to remove, and reusable.

Then again, might have been something in the apple juice. Try drinking some of the juice straight.

 

[azazel1024]

I did say that, but it's probably a lot to ask for someone who just made their first fermented product. He's going to need the plate filter assy and a kegging assy (keg, CO2).

This would be a good uses of Magic Beans of Fermentation (yeast immobilized in beads). Get some simple compounds from amazon (they are cheap), make your beads; simple to remove, and reusable.

Then again, might have been something in the apple juice. Try drinking some of the juice straight.

I would deffinitely try that last to see if it was something in the apple juice itself.

I'd also try it one last time to see if it could have been something in that specific batch of apple juice that caused it, just in case. Or I'd try making actual beer next time instead of cider, just to see if for some reason it is a compound being made by the cider yeast with the apple juice that isn't present in beer fermented by ale/lager yeast.

 

[EJay]

Damn, you beat me to the punch.

Thanks for the clarifications. I once had an EMT treating my wife (who was allergic to shellfish and would get hives) ask about shellfish, then he explained to me they wouldn't use iodine-based antiseptics in those cases, and that's how I got the idea. Or maybe there's a correlation between people with shellfish allergies and people with separate iodine allergies. Weird. Sorry to imply some thing that's...wrong.

 

[Natdavis777]

Thanks for the clarifications. I once had an EMT treating my wife (who was allergic to shellfish and would get hives) ask about shellfish, then he explained to me they wouldn't use iodine-based antiseptics in those cases, and that's how I got the idea. Or maybe there's a correlation between people with shellfish allergies and people with separate iodine allergies. Weird. Sorry to imply some thing that's...wrong.

No worries. My intention wasnt to be demeaning, so if it was, I apologize. It is very common to associate iodine and shellfish. They were correlated due to the high iodine content in shellfish, but has since been refuted after discovering the allergy with shellfish being caused by a certain protein, and not the iodine itself. I administer iodine on a daily basis, so I am more than familiar with it, that is all.

 

[IdkAnything]

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[IdkAnything]

We're kind of getting off topic now with filtering out the yeast but I was just looking up about filtering, and I might have misinterpreted what I read but, I read that filtering using a 1 micron filter which is what I'd need to filter out yeast would also make the cider flat unless you artificially carbonate it after.

 

[Yooper]

We're kind of getting off topic now with filtering out the yeast but I was just looking up about filtering, and I might have misinterpreted what I read but, I read that filtering using a 1 micron filter which is what I'd need to filter out yeast would also make the cider flat unless you artificially carbonate it after.

Yes, that is correct. But in order to use such a filter, you need a keg system anyway to push the cider with C02 to avoid oxygenating it, or some other pump system, so it is simple to do.

 

[Yooper]

I'm going to pasteurize what I have and drink one and see if I have the same reaction before. If so I don't know what I'll do.. Drinking your own homebrewed beer is much more satisfying than buying it

Wait. Are you making beer? It sounds like cider.

 

[IdkAnything]

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOclJsjZnyY[/ame]

Would I use a filter like this then? If I bought one is that the correct way to use it?
Anything else I should know about filtering?

 

[passedpawn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOclJsjZnyY

Would I use a filter like this then? If I bought one is that the correct way to use it?
Anything else I should know about filtering?

That guy states he's using a 30 micron filter. Yeast is around 5 micron in diameter. If you really want to remove the yeast, you'll want a 1 micron filter.

I SERIOUSLY doubt you'll get the beer to move through a 1 micron (or even 5 micron) filter without the pressure from a kegging system. The gravity thing that guy is doing probably won't work for you. But it looks like a cheap test, go ahead and try. Just remember to get filters under 5um or you're not removing the yeast.
If you can get that to work.

 

[passedpawn]

We're kind of getting off topic now with filtering out the yeast but I was just looking up about filtering, and I might have misinterpreted what I read but, I read that filtering using a 1 micron filter which is what I'd need to filter out yeast would also make the cider flat unless you artificially carbonate it after.

Yep, you can't filter carbonated beer (or cider). At least it was a gigantic mess the one time I tried. Foamy mess. The CO2 comes out of solution when going through the filter.

You filter first, then carbonate in your usual fashion.