- Jul 23, 2006
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Sorry, this accomplished nothing, so I removed my post.
Do you sell panels or something? What's your company?1) I'm not going to let you bully me into giving away something I worked HARD to find for "cred". I will earn "cred" by offering great products and customer service. Find a customer of mine, they will back that up!
Good point but I'll point out my experience from many many purchases.Buying from someone like Auber gets you a seller in the US you can complain to if needed. Thats worth something to some people. Some of us are fine to play the odds, some of us want it to just work first time
One of the reasons I don't know how reliable that is, is that this picture is found on Fotek's own product page:Solid State Module
Rated: XXA max.
90% of the foteks bought and used on homebrewtalk are used as ssrs for heating elements and most of them are 18 amps or more applications so... an ssr rates and safe for only 12a has limited useful application here the was I see it but I'm not arguing they arent good for 12a or less.@FuzzeWuzze: That might no be a bad idea
I found this UL announcement; http://ul.com/newsroom/publicnotices/ul-warns-of-solid-state-relay-with-counterfeit-ul-recognition-mark-release-13pn-52/
The thing to look out for should be that the notching in the lower right corner of the sticker, has a matching protrusion in the case, preventing the sticker to accidentally being applied the wrong way (so the input and output terminals would be swapped).
Also, I noticed that the stickers does seem to have a difference in appearance. However, I don't know how reliable that is.
For example the text on the genuine:
One of the reasons I don't know how reliable that is, is that this picture is found on Fotek's own product page:
Which itself looks a bit different, but might be due to them not updating their site (sorry for the small size, it seems to be what is available from Fotek). Notice though that on neither the image from UL or from Fotek, the text "Made in Taiwan" appears, (it's either "Taiwan made" or nothing).
I've done some light searching on the usual suspects, to see if I could find something, that could be genuine and found this:
Now, I know. You can't trust the images on eBay to be representative of the actual product, but at least it has the actual sellers water mark and the image does seem to show a genuine SSR as per the UL announcement.
There might be cheaper ones than this, but at $173 for 5 pieces, (that is $34,60 per SSR), even if a cheaper source of genuine SSR's is to be found, they probably won't come at $6 a pop, like some claim (you know who I'm talking about...).
Now, this does not mean that there could be better knockoffs to be had. Or that the Mager ones could be "genuine" (or at least of better quality than most Fotek knockoffs).
Edit: I still maintain though, that ~$4 for one of the Fotek knockoffs, is not a bad deal for what you get. You just shouldn't put a lot of load on them. They can have a use, but just use them with care and for low power applications.
Edit2: This instructable also has some good info on the subject. Someone mentioned in the comments that PQLYT SSR's seems to be performing quite well also. Here's a link to one of those. It seems to be a few bucks more expensive, but they state it uses a BTA41 800B triac and it also seems to be sealed properly as well. Might not be a bad deal.
that information is already posted above in this thread and is no longer valid though as another person pointed out in another webpage (which I dont have handy) that some of the fakes now use identical markings...Hello,
There are many fake foteks on the market.
here is the UL warning and how to spot a fake (but even that is a bit outdated) https://www.ul.com/newsroom/publicn...nterfeit-ul-recognition-mark-release-13pn-52/
My company, Infinite Thermal Solutions INC, is the official USA distributor. We are listed on Fotek's website under the sales channel. We get our relays directly from Fotek. We have solved many problems because they were using counterfeit units.
If you want any additional information, please email us @ [email protected]
Im going by the fact that the manufacturer makes both the type with the stickers that the article you shared claims is real and the stickers that the very same UL warning claims is fake are coming from the same manufacturer... if they really were the same ssr internally why do they have two differently configured labels both claiming to be the same thing? Again... it doesnt add up. I'm going by the photos from the manufacturer on alibaba.. as well as the article you suggested.Its a pretty common practice in China to make counterfeit parts. I wouldn't assume the counterfeits and Real Foteks are both made by the same place based on the fact that UL says "This (the counterfeit SSRs) Solid State Relay has not been evaluated by UL to any Standards for Safety and it is unknown if this product complies with any safety requirements."