For those who are thinking about converting a Sanke keg into a kettle

[TNGabe]

. Though a small brewer may have bought the old kegs in good faith, they basically just received stolen property."

What's your dog in this fight? Looks to me like you joined HBT just to beat this dead horse. No one cares, you're not going to change anyone's opinion, and as best as I can tell you're trolling.

 

[thatjonguy]

Why doesn't the beer industry move to bags like the soda syrups did?

Because you can't carbonate beer at thr point of dispense like soda.

Plus, who wants their beer out of a bag?

 

[CGVT]

What's your dog in this fight? Looks to me like you joined HBT just to beat this dead horse. No one cares, you're not going to change anyone's opinion, and as best as I can tell you're trolling.

Looking out for the beer companies is such a burden...

[ame]http://youtu.be/szdKx9O31A0[/ame]

 

[Trail]

Because you can't carbonate beer at thr point of dispense like soda.

You could... the pubs would just need to decant the beer into their (own) kegs and force-carb a week before serving. Wouldn't work for keg-conditioning breweries like Switchback though.

Like I keep saying, the breweries can combat this and they're choosing not to, except for occasional threats. This is not an accident.

 

[SpikeBrewing]

:hs:

 

[thatjonguy]

You could... the pubs would just need to decant the beer into their (own) kegs and force-carb a week before serving. Wouldn't work for keg-conditioning breweries like Switchback though.

Like I keep saying, the breweries can combat this and they're choosing not to, except for occasional threats. This is not an accident.

I would never drink any beer handled in this way. That is just set up to destroy reputations. I wouldn't want to trust my brand to some guy at a bar that makes $9/hr and thinks Bud Lights is the best beer ever.

 

[Trail]

I would never drink any beer handled in this way. That is just set up to destroy reputations. I wouldn't want to trust my brand to some guy at a bar that makes $9/hr and thinks Bud Lights is the best beer ever.

Unless you're in a craft joint, your bartender is unlikely to "get" beer and the vessels used for transportation aren't going to affect that either way.

 

[beernutz]

Pirate's Cove may be in big trouble and I wouldn't want to be the one assigned to do a possible property reclaimation.

 

[thatjonguy]

Unless you're in a craft joint, your bartender is unlikely to "get" beer and the vessels used for transportation aren't going to affect that either way.

How about chain restaurants? Like BWW that can sometimes have a decent craft selection?

Sorry, one use kegs are a better idea. Plus who wants to handle a 150+ pound bag of beer, even if it is in a box?

 

[Trail]

How about chain restaurants? Like BWW that can sometimes have a decent craft selection?

They already don't care and the beer is likely to be passable, most of the time... a lot like it is right now. I don't really understand why you think bags would lead to employees not giving a damn, but I may be misinterpreting you.

Sorry, one use kegs are a better idea. Plus who wants to handle a 150+ pound bag of beer, even if it is in a box?

Once again, we're in agreement... I think disposable bags would work and be cheaper, as well as be somewhat less wasteful, but one-use kegs are going to result in less spilled beer. It's all down to handling, though, and I think the only situation where it's really likely that bagged beer would be unacceptable is for college kids. If we ever see disposable containers, I'd bet dollars to donuts that individuals get the disposable hard plastics, and bars/restaurants get bags.

FWIW, in commercial contexts milk and juice are frequently moved in large bags. Specialized dispensers are used to serve it. They're a beast to fill, but during my time as a cook at a sizeable summer camp during the late 90s we never had a bag break.

 

[Bobby_M]

What's your dog in this fight? Looks to me like you joined HBT just to beat this dead horse. No one cares, you're not going to change anyone's opinion, and as best as I can tell you're trolling.

I don't like to jump to conclusions but I wondered the same thing when I saw how hard he was pushing Polarware pots in another thread. I'm just saying that if it was determined that the OP had a financial interest in a company that makes kettles or sells them, I wouldn't be surprised. Just sayin.

 

[thatjonguy]

We can agree to disagree on specifics not really of my personal concern on AB,SAB Miller/Coors, etc's P&L statements nor am I a consumer of their products. As someone mentioned it is just a cost of doing business.

But the carbination issues are the only thing holding new packaging back.

 

[TNGabe]

I don't like to jump to conclusions but I wondered the same thing when I saw how hard he was pushing Polarware pots in another thread. I'm just saying that if it was determined that the OP had a financial interest in a company that makes kettles or sells them, I wouldn't be surprised. Just sayin.

Great minds think alike and so do we.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

 

[mmb]

Great minds think alike and so do we.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

But the real question is, does it float like a duck?

 

[Bobby_M]

How much is the deposit on a duck?

 

[TNGabe]

How much is the deposit on a duck?

'Bout tree fiddy.

 

[ChefRex]

You gave that monster tree fiddy?

 

[sivispacemparabe11um]

Pirate's Cove may be in big trouble and I wouldn't want to be the one assigned to do a possible property reclaimation.

those are awesome!! I need one of those when I get my mancave built.

 

[CCBrewer]

Seriously this debate is still going on?

Texas average price of stainless steel regardless of grade is $0.45 per lb 29.7lb 15.5gal keg is equal to ~11.88/keg.

Most scrap places will not take a non punctured keg or an intact keg with spear, they will seize it locally, I have asked.

Home brewers are not the problem, unemployed scrappers are the problem. Copper thieves and crack heads are the problem.

Someone needs to lock this thread already 6 pages is too much to read.

 

[hvjackson]

I don't know exactly how the deposits work, but it seems like a mess and an invitation for "missing" kegs.

I got a keg of Dale's Pale Ale from a local liquor store a few months ago. They wanted a $30 deposit for the keg, but were super casual about it. They didn't even give me a receipt until I asked for one. They told me I could return the keg to *any liquor store* to get my deposit back. What?? Where is my deposit going?

No wonder so many kegs aren't returned. I brought that one back because I don't want to steal from a craft brewery, but I think your average Joe isn't going to care much about it one way or another. With a system like that, who can blame them??

 

[iaefebs]

those are awesome!! I need one of those when I get my mancave built.

I'd suggest you get hold of the OP and see if Polarware is in the urinal business first, otherwise I see a new rant coming.

 

[beernutz]

Seriously this debate is still going on?

Texas average price of stainless steel regardless of grade is $0.45 per lb 29.7lb 15.5gal keg is equal to ~11.88/keg.

Most scrap places will not take a non punctured keg or an intact keg with spear, they will seize it locally, I have asked.

Home brewers are not the problem, unemployed scrappers are the problem. Copper thieves and crack heads are the problem.

Someone needs to lock this thread already 6 pages is too much to read.

You can set your forum preferences to show up to 40 posts per page instead of just 10.

 

[KurtB]

This may be the longest I have seen this topic go before the thread gets locked.

As for "brew in a bag", until they can figure out how to make 'concentrated beer syrup' that will still taste correct when diluted with local filtered water, I cannot see ti happening.

Single use kegs already exist, it is just a matter of time before the manufacture costs are low enough or the cost of steel kegs becomes high enough that BMC will be able to make more profit from disposable kegs as multi-use kegs and then they will make the switch.

It is all about $$$. Like has been stated in multiple threads on this topic, if the breweries wanted to stop the theft, they would raise the price charged to the distributor (or lean heavily on the governing body that sets the deposit price) and have that increase price passed down the line ultimately to the consumer. Would I pay $150 deposit on a keg? Sure, if I knew that regardless of when I returned the keg I would get my money back. This would probably involve paying the deposit to some government agency, or the brewery directly, as stores can go out of business between the time I purchase the keg and the time I finally am done using it.

 

[thatjonguy]

Or write into the new deposit rules that if you make a good faith effort to return the keg to the place of purchase, you may keep the keg if you are denied a refund of the deposit.

I think it would fall under abondoned property laws (but I am not an attorney).

 

[TNGabe]

Speaking of abandoned, looks like the OP has abandoned HBT or had it done for him.

 

[CCBrewer]

I think this thread has been off topic'd enough to die already...

As a side note, I found out my favorite draft Shiner Bock (non-Craft) is kegged in pony kegs, but not available by either special order or any other means in the state of Texas.


How sucky is that

 

[one-L]

'Bout tree fiddy.

'tree fiddy? And that's about the time I realized that the OP was THAT GOD DAMNED LOCK NESS MONSTA!!!

 

[Beernik]

How many kegs will you find lying around a recycler? Maybe a dozen. How many at a home brewers house? Maybe the same.

When they went after music piracy, they went after Napster, not the downloaders. If they go after anyone, it will be the distributors, bars, etc. with a history of not returning the kegs. That's where you'll find a quantity of theft worth going after.

Ultimately, they will probably just raise the price of the deposit or charge it like a rental. If you are getting charged $/day, you'll return it.