FIB War Room

[stxSS07]

so say someone is moving and wants to like sell a few cases of beer. mostly like KBS/BCS/BBpt5/derk lerd verticals & upland/3 floyds/yaddy yadda. say this person doesnt want to be scum bag and sell it for super inflated prices on like craigslist/beer cellar and would rather sell for like 25/35% over what this person paid for it as it was cellared & cooled for a few years. Does something exist other than splitting it up and throwing it to the vultures on CCBE? would this person still be a dick for say selling a 2010 dark lord for like 25 bucks? this person isnt really looking for the money, more easing moving 4 cases of beer that aint lambics. I'm assuming it's like 1 or 2K worth of beer that could be sold for 3 or 4K if you were a scumbag with time. any of you interested...do you need 8 bottles of 2012 KBS?

I will buy many stouts from you....errr this person. I don't really do releases anymore so an opportunity to buy plenty tasty stouts at non-jagoff prices is intriguing to me.

 

[SSTroller]

I'm 95% positive I have a 2014 BBPt5 you can have next time I see you.

 

[middlebrow]

thanks for the help gents.....I've divided it into three lots. this is about what it will look like (maybe a few changes when I look later). I'm thinkin 500 bucks per ~35 bottle lot seems fair or am I way off. probably not for you fellas but if you know someone or a group, send em my way.

1 - 2014 BA Speedway, reg Bells 9000, reg Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Black Butte 23, Half Acre Big Hugs 2013, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Blackberry, KBS 10 , KBS 12 -2, KBS 13 - 4, KBS 14 -2, GI BCS 11, GI BCS 12, GI BCS 13 - 2, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

2- 2013 Bruery Black Tuesday, Bells 9000, Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Sucuba 2014, Livery Umae Umami, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Kiwi, KBS 10, KBS 12 - 2, KBS 13 - 4 ,KBS 14 - 2, GI BCS 11, GI BCS 13 - 3, Dark Lord 09, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

3 - Firestone Parabola 2012, Bells 9000, Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Sucuba 2013, Flossmoor Fireside Chat, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Raspberry, KBS 10, KBS 12 - 2, KBS 13 - 4, KBS 14 - 2, GI BCS 12, GI BCS 13 - 4, Dark Lord 09, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

 

[LSMroz]

thanks for the help gents.....I've divided it into three lots. this is about what it will look like (maybe a few changes when I look later). I'm thinkin 500 bucks per ~35 bottle lot seems fair or am I way off. probably not for you fellas but if you know someone or a group, send em my way.

1 - 2014 BA Speedway, reg Bells 9000, reg Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Black Butte 23, Half Acre Big Hugs 2013, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Blackberry, KBS 10 , KBS 12 -2, KBS 13 - 4, KBS 14 -2, GI BCS 11, GI BCS 12, GI BCS 13 - 2, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

2- 2013 Bruery Black Tuesday, Bells 9000, Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Sucuba 2014, Livery Umae Umami, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Kiwi, KBS 10, KBS 12 - 2, KBS 13 - 4 ,KBS 14 - 2, GI BCS 11, GI BCS 13 - 3, Dark Lord 09, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

3 - Firestone Parabola 2012, Bells 9000, Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Sucuba 2013, Flossmoor Fireside Chat, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Raspberry, KBS 10, KBS 12 - 2, KBS 13 - 4, KBS 14 - 2, GI BCS 12, GI BCS 13 - 4, Dark Lord 09, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

Dat Fireside Chat is the hidden treasure of the lots.

 

[BobCobb1]

Dat Fireside Chat is the hidden treasure of the lots.

Was in the middle of replying that one of his final changes should be going ahead and selling the Fireside Chat to me.

 

[LSMroz]

Was in the middle of replying that one of his final changes should be going ahead and selling the Fireside Chat to me.

Had a taste at FoBAB 2013 and was blown away by it. Been ISO ever since with no luck.

 

[Gonzoillini1]

Had a taste at FoBAB 2013 and was blown away by it. Been ISO ever since with no luck.

And Mark's (the homebrewer who collaborated with Nick Barron (?)) homebrewed version was even better than the commercially released version.

 

[SecretSquirrel]

And Mark's (the homebrewer who collaborated with Nick Barron (?)) homebrewed version was even better than the commercially released version.

yes as someone who has hangs out with those BOSS guys, I agree its a great beer and Im sure he still has some bottles stashed away...

 

[vav1]

...I bet if you posted on CCBE or Craigslist and put the qualifier that you are looking for a newer group of people to help out with the stipulation that all the beer must be enjoyed by the people buying it and not sold or traded to try and profit from it...

 

[middlebrow]

I got another fireside chat I'd love to share with you ruffians some day in the future. I'll mark it TB and we'll do somethin with it in the future.

 

[tag1]

thanks for the help gents.....I've divided it into three lots. this is about what it will look like (maybe a few changes when I look later). I'm thinkin 500 bucks per ~35 bottle lot seems fair or am I way off. probably not for you fellas but if you know someone or a group, send em my way.

1 - 2014 BA Speedway, reg Bells 9000, reg Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Black Butte 23, Half Acre Big Hugs 2013, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Blackberry, KBS 10 , KBS 12 -2, KBS 13 - 4, KBS 14 -2, GI BCS 11, GI BCS 12, GI BCS 13 - 2, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

2- 2013 Bruery Black Tuesday, Bells 9000, Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Sucuba 2014, Livery Umae Umami, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Kiwi, KBS 10, KBS 12 - 2, KBS 13 - 4 ,KBS 14 - 2, GI BCS 11, GI BCS 13 - 3, Dark Lord 09, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

3 - Firestone Parabola 2012, Bells 9000, Bells 10000, Central Waters 16, Dark Horse Monster 29, 2012 BBPt5 - 2, 2013 BBPt5 - 5, Sucuba 2013, Flossmoor Fireside Chat, New Glarus Wild Sour - 3, Upland Raspberry, KBS 10, KBS 12 - 2, KBS 13 - 4, KBS 14 - 2, GI BCS 12, GI BCS 13 - 4, Dark Lord 09, Dark Lord 10 - 14, plus a few odds & ends.

Ugh, those NG wild sour thumbprints! If I could just go back in time and buy a few cases...

 

[furley]

Small Cheval?

 

[BobCobb1]

How long before we see regular production of a local IPA or double that rivals HF, Treehouse, etc.? Or maybe some believe we already have that. I don't, and I've always been somewhat confused that Chicago isn't leading the pack here with the concentration of breweries.

Somewhat related -- this always makes me think about if/when the bubble bursts. Would think that to have a viable shot at long term success, a new brewer needs to come out of the gate strong. A lot of new places making perfectly fine beer, but I just don't think that will cut it 3-5 years from now.

 

[BobCobb1]

I think the latter part of this -- new breweries popping up with OK beer -- explains part of the confusion I have on Chicago not teeming with world class IPAs. I.e. the market is still very hot, and new operations can ride that along with the temporary but real obsession over what's new. So the market is not forcing a new entrant to show up with top notch offerings, or something even close to that. The market instead just says you can show up. For now.

 

[vav1]

How long before we see regular production of a local IPA or double that rivals HF, Treehouse, etc.?

What, in rareness? Because there's already like, six.

 

[BobCobb1]

What, in rareness? Because there's already like, six.

In quality. TtAM from Surly is the closest example I can think of that stands with the best I have had elsewhere. Are you saying there are 6+ regularly produced beers in/around the city that are among the best in the style?

ETA: it's an honest question, not implying your taste is "wrong".

Frog?




Frog is wrong.

 

[vav1]

In quality. TtAM from Surly is the closest example I can think of that stands with the best I have had elsewhere. Are you saying there are 6+ regularly produced beers in/around the city that are among the best in the style?

ETA: it's an honest question, not implying your taste is "wrong".

Frog?




Frog is wrong.

I disagree. Heyoka, Dreadnaught, Anti Hero, Ninja vs Unicorn, etc, are all fantastic IPA's/IIPA's that easily fall into the Best In Show category. Ok, so 4.

And Frog is never wrong.

 

[vav1]

Bonus Post: Who would win in a fight: Frog or Toad?

 

[stxSS07]

I disagree. Heyoka, Dreadnaught, Anti Hero, Ninja vs Unicorn, etc, are all fantastic IPA's/IIPA's that easily fall into the Best In Show category. Ok, so 4.

And Frog is never wrong.

Not hazy enough, so nobody thinks they're cool. I'm good with not having to worry about lines for the stuff though.

 

[vav1]

Not hazy enough, so nobody thinks they're cool. I'm good with not having to worry about lines for the stuff though.

I miss drinking the stuff


Oh! and Furious.

 

[BobCobb1]

Not hazy enough, so nobody thinks they're cool. I'm good with not having to worry about lines for the stuff though.

I love grabbing 2-week old Anti Hero (and now Fist City) among many others regularly. I just still don't find them to be best in show quality. Todd, Permanent Funeral, maybe a few others. Have definitely had fantastic stuff here and there, but nothing that is regularly produced in Chicago area. Suggestions are more than welcome.

 

[mdomask]

Somewhat related -- this always makes me think about if/when the bubble bursts. Would think that to have a viable shot at long term success, a new brewer needs to come out of the gate strong. A lot of new places making perfectly fine beer, but I just don't think that will cut it 3-5 years from now.

I'm guessing that even coming out strong isn't enough. In 3-5 years, InBev and MillerCoors will have acquired enough "partners" to counter pretty much any style. The corporate ball is just getting rolling.

My guess is that contract/ghost brewing (like what vav does) has a lot of potential. Lots of places out there who would welcome a signature or "house" brew but don't want to actually brew the damn thing. Works with wine, so why not beer?

Plus, the whole adjunct stout thing that 18th street and (what the **** is a) Hailstorm doubled down on has to burn out soon.

 

[ChicagoGuy]

I disagree. Heyoka, Dreadnaught, Anti Hero, Ninja vs Unicorn, etc, are all fantastic IPA's/IIPA's that easily fall into the Best In Show category. Ok, so 4.

Totally agree on Anti-Hero...I regularly drink that stuff like it's going out of style.

I'd add Vallejo and, lately, Working for the Weekend...but then, this is such a subjective thing, and citrus-y, aromatic, lower-bitterness IPAs are my thang.

 

[BobCobb1]

I'm guessing that even coming out strong isn't enough. In 3-5 years, InBev and MillerCoors will have acquired enough "partners" to counter pretty much any style. The corporate ball is just getting rolling.

I guess I really do not understand AB InBev's or MC's long-term play here. Aside from BCBS, I do not and would not regularly purchase a beer in their portfolio. AB purchases Breckenridge Brewery! Who the hell cares. I haven't drunk Breckenridge since vanilla porter was an intro to craft like 9 years ago.

If AB ends up turning a lot of these average players into world class operations, great. If not, I will still pay a premium for the alternative no matter how many tap handles and shelf space they try to acquire.

 

[mdomask]

I guess I really do not understand AB InBev's or MC's long-term play here. Aside from BCBS, I do not and would not regularly purchase a beer in their portfolio. AB purchases Breckenridge Brewery! Who the hell cares. I haven't drunk Breckenridge since vanilla porter was an intro to craft like 9 years ago.

If AB ends up turning a lot of these average players into world class operations, great. If not, I will still pay a premium for the alternative no matter how many tap handles and shelf space they try to acquire.

They don't need to have better beer. They just need to have enough unique handles to give the illusion of many choices at a bar. Most people don't follow acquisitions like this forum does. So, average person walks into a bar and see handles for Breckenridge, Goose, Elysian, Four Peaks, and whoever else InBev buys. That person doesn't see a suite of captive brands. They think the bar has a "good craft selection" or whatever.

 

[mdomask]

Oh, and BCS is a giant carrot/stick for them. Give them handles or you don't get a guaranteed line out the door come November.

 

[BobCobb1]

They don't need to have better beer. They just need to have enough unique handles to give the illusion of many choices at a bar. Most people don't follow acquisitions like this forum does. So, average person walks into a bar and see handles for Breckenridge, Goose, Elysian, Four Peaks, and whoever else InBev buys. That person doesn't see a suite of captive brands. They think the bar has a "good craft selection" or whatever.

I do agree this forum is not representative of the average craft drinker, let alone the average beer drinker. But I think over the next several years, the number of beer drinkers who continue the shift closer to being goons like us will increase significantly. And so if they walk into a bar that is predominantly GI and mediocre AB "craft" brands (whether they know it or not), it's not going to be a place that they stay long, or to which they return.

For that to work, AB somehow needs to keep these people fooled that whatever they have on there is basically representative of craft / the best it has to offer. Or it just caters to hardcore Bud / Bud Heavy drinkers who want a slight change of pace every so often.

 

[BobCobb1]

Oh, and BCS is a giant carrot/stick for them. Give them handles or you don't get a guaranteed line out the door come November.

Is this true? Average bar gets a few kegs of BCBS and variants, if any. Might give a bump in traffic on food and other drink during a release, but have a tough time thinking it is terribly impactful when looking at annual numbers. Kind of akin to how some describe the modest impact of BCBS vis a vis the remainder of GI's (let alone AB InBev's) entire portfolio. I suppose this could change if BCBS were to become a year-round beer.

 

[BobCobb1]

My guess is that contract/ghost brewing (like what vav does) has a lot of potential. Lots of places out there who would welcome a signature or "house" brew but don't want to actually brew the damn thing. Works with wine, so why not beer?

I find contract brewing more interesting as an operations management / utilization thing than as a quality-of-beer thing. I suppose that it could allow more experimentation of sorts that could not or would not otherwise happen among the risk averse, and hopefully some better beer from that.

 

[Gonzoillini1]

How long before we see regular production of a local IPA or double that rivals HF, Treehouse, etc.? Or maybe some believe we already have that. I don't, and I've always been somewhat confused that Chicago isn't leading the pack here with the concentration of breweries.

Somewhat related -- this always makes me think about if/when the bubble bursts. Would think that to have a viable shot at long term success, a new brewer needs to come out of the gate strong. A lot of new places making perfectly fine beer, but I just don't think that will cut it 3-5 years from now.

Probably the wrong forum, but I think there is still a lot of growth potential for on premise / brewpub / non distributing entities who are comfortable working within that niche.

I think the breweries are coming into the market now, and trying to fight for shelf / tap space with mediocre products are not going to cut it in 3-5 years. But places that don't distribute, produce good to better beer, and satisfy their local area with a good atmosphere and fun place to relax / drink will thrive in the coming years. Every local municipality with 15K+ people can support a small 3-7bbl brewery catering to that area's demand / clientele.

Also call it what you will, but Zombie Dust fits the bill for the IPA / DIPA with hype you are mentioning. Or at least it did before the upgrade to the new system.