FIB War Room

[danbanana]

Hey guys are you confused about the difference between a bomber and a growler? If so don't worry, CCBE will set you straight!

I'm not on Facebook

 

[Farnsworth]

Yes we do need to swap suds/touch tips sometime soon.

Yes we do need to swap suds/touch tips sometime soon.

Yes we do need to swap spit/touch tips sometime soon.

First annual TalkBeer orgy?!?!

 

[sleuthdog]

First annual TalkBeer orgy?!?!

 

[daniel1]

First annual TalkBeer orgy?!?!

blue_bleeder can bring the BCBBW keg.

 

[sleuthdog]

blue_bleeder can bring the BCBBW keg.

 

[jeblikesbeer]

Say mid jan? My house?

 

[Scalzo]

Say mid jan? My house?

Beer frat?

 

[jeblikesbeer]

Beer frat?

You know it... Why do I not have who the hell you are figured out? Josh? Eric? Leo?

 

[Scalzo]

You know it... Why do I not have who the hell you are figured out? Josh? Eric? Leo?

I only know two thirds of the beer frat, but that needs to change, as they speak highly of you

 

[jeblikesbeer]

I only know two thirds of the beer frat, but that needs to change, as they speak highly of you

they are lying... i'm working on my FIBby ways

 

[ClCardinal84]

Merry Christmas FIB's.

 

[sleuthdog]

Merry Christmas FIB's.

Right back at ya!

 

[dvelcich1]

Wow.. did I read that right?

Yeah.. it's the drivers fault you couldn't get a whole case and pay minimum dollar for it..

To be honest with you, I'd definitely be one of the people that overpriced these so at least I could keep it around for awhile / people that really want it could get it.

If a simple markup like that really bothers you.. maybe you shouldn't be going after these beers.. I might be unique in that thinking.. but it'd be nice to be able to buy 2-3 bottles of a variant a year at a bar over time whenever I want instead of them selling out immediately.. I'd pay for that privilege.

Huge like for this. Would love higher privet and more distribution to bars. That's really all that I can see taking care of this crap. I'm sure they may be out there, but I can't think of any other luxury/hobby item where the prices are intentionally kept well below potential market price.

I hate this mentality. Yay Capitalism!

Why fight for increased prices? You only think that's a good idea now based on your assumption that you would still be able to afford 2-3 of these beers a year. Let's say Bourbon County is one of the best beers in the world. Wineries don't bat an eye at pricing a bottle over $100. If a 750 of regular BCBS was $100 next year, would you be happy or sad?

Rare wines can be over $1000. You'd be happier if they priced Proprietors like that?

High demand items are exclusionary either way. On one hand you get excluded by not wanting to go through the effort of hunting down that rare item at a reasonable price, which is your guys' gripe, or on the other you price people with less expendable income out of the game. That's me. I don't want to be pushed out of the higher end of craft beer by prices. I know it's going to happen eventually because the business world is fixing its eye on our beloved hobby, but I'm certainly not going to advocate for it any sooner.

 

[stxSS07]

I hate this mentality. Yay Capitalism!

Why fight for increased prices? You only think that's a good idea now based on your assumption that you would still be able to afford 2-3 of these beers a year. Let's say Bourbon County is one of the best beers in the world. Wineries don't bat an eye at pricing a bottle over $100. If a 750 of regular BCBS was $100 next year, would you be happy or sad?

Rare wines can be over $1000. You'd be happier if they priced Proprietors like that?

High demand items are exclusionary either way. On one hand you get excluded by not wanting to go through the effort of hunting down that rare item at a reasonable price, which is your guys' gripe, or on the other you price people with less expendable income out of the game. That's me. I don't want to be pushed out of the higher end of craft beer by prices. I know it's going to happen eventually because the business world is fixing its eye on our beloved hobby, but I'm certainly not going to advocate for it any sooner.

Well said. In line with my feels.

 

[gtx281]

 

[lb304854]

Not Your Father's 19.5% STILL on at the bar by my house.

 

[Leafhouse]

Not Your Father's 19.5% STILL on at the bar by my house.

On draft that stuff is always hanging around.

 

[lb304854]

On draft that stuff is always hanging around because New Money is incredibly stupid.

 

[thewimperoo]

People are lining up at Hailstorm 3 hours ahead of time.....lol

#newmoney really does love lines

 

[lb304854]

People are lining up at Hailstorm 3 hours ahead of time.....lol

#newmoney really does love lines

For what? Barrel Aged Mediocre Stout?

 

[thewimperoo]

For what? Barrel Aged Mediocre Stout?

With Vanilla!

 

[JulianB1]

#newmoney recognizes a beer doesn't have value unless there's a line.

Big Hugs? **** is trade gold there was a line for hours and limits dropped!

Schramm's mead? Who the **** cares!

 

[Leafhouse]

People are lining up at Hailstorm 3 hours ahead of time.....lol

#newmoney really does love lines

Lmao at least it's a nice day out!

 

[lb304854]

#newmoney recognizes a beer doesn't have value unless there's a line.

Bug Hugs? **** is trade gold there was a line for hours and limits dropped!

Schramm's mead? Who the **** cares!

FT: Big Huggs; ISO: Statmint Rsve
1:1 please. Can add some Hayokay.

 

[daniel1]

People are lining up at Hailstorm 3 hours ahead of time.....lol

#newmoney really does love lines

 

[jeblikesbeer]

 

[Thorpe]

I hate this mentality. Yay Capitalism!

Why fight for increased prices? You only think that's a good idea now based on your assumption that you would still be able to afford 2-3 of these beers a year. Let's say Bourbon County is one of the best beers in the world. Wineries don't bat an eye at pricing a bottle over $100. If a 750 of regular BCBS was $100 next year, would you be happy or sad?

Rare wines can be over $1000. You'd be happier if they priced Proprietors like that?

High demand items are exclusionary either way. On one hand you get excluded by not wanting to go through the effort of hunting down that rare item at a reasonable price, which is your guys' gripe, or on the other you price people with less expendable income out of the game. That's me. I don't want to be pushed out of the higher end of craft beer by prices. I know it's going to happen eventually because the business world is fixing its eye on our beloved hobby, but I'm certainly not going to advocate for it any sooner.

Why fight for increased prices? Because right now supply and demand are way out of balance and unless all these breweries are going to drastically increase supply (they won't, at least not quickly), then the equilibrium has to be achieved by reducing demand, which increased pricing will do. (Could maybe also say increased supply through more breweries offering quality offerings so people can't "catch them all," but at current pricing, people seem to gobble up everything available.)

I'm not saying that I would love increased pricing, just that it's the best option if you're going to do releases for off-premises without having all the truck chasers, mules, hoarders, etc etc. From there, putting out a $1000 bottle of wine as a comparison is silly. Wine has a centuries-long track record of being a luxury good, production is way more limited in ways that can't be altered, and the demand is much higher overall at this point. Also, everyday wines are already more expensive than beer. It'd be more reasonable at a point like this to expect prices to gradually double or maybe go higher, crowding out some. (I wouldn't expect prices to be anywhere near where they are on mybeercellar or were on eBay, as the demand at those prices is really low.) This means that most everyone can still afford a bottle or two, but most can't afford to chase after multiple cases and hire mules.

Another option is more breweries turning to on-premises only and keeping things around for longer, perhaps paired with bars that don't do to-go sales. I love this option. There's nothing like having a great beer at the place it was made, often times discussing with people who had a hand in making it.

I think this is more of an objective analysis of what creates less of a headache for everyone involved, specifically breweries, distributors, and retail establishments that are getting more and more tired of dealing with the **** shows that releases have become. Based on time, monetary constraints, and other variables, everyone is going to have different opinions as to what the best solution is, but individual viewpoints probably aren't the best way to determine what's best. To take your example, I would personally much rather pay $100 for one bottle of Proprietor's than $0 (and wasted time) for 0 bottles of Proprietor's.

 

[sacrelicio]

People are lining up at Hailstorm 3 hours ahead of time.....lol

#newmoney really does love lines

Love this hashtag

 

[sacrelicio]

#newmoney recognizes a beer doesn't have value unless there's a line.

Big Hugs? **** is trade gold there was a line for hours and limits dropped!

Schramm's mead? Who the **** cares!

Stouts are #newmoney bait

 

[Gonzoillini1]

Why fight for increased prices? Because right now supply and demand are way out of balance and unless all these breweries are going to drastically increase supply (they won't, at least not quickly), then the equilibrium has to be achieved by reducing demand, which increased pricing will do. (Could maybe also say increased supply through more breweries offering quality offerings so people can't "catch them all," but at current pricing, people seem to gobble up everything available.)

I'm not saying that I would love increased pricing, just that it's the best option if you're going to do releases for off-premises without having all the truck chasers, mules, hoarders, etc etc. From there, putting out a $1000 bottle of wine as a comparison is silly. Wine has a centuries-long track record of being a luxury good, production is way more limited in ways that can't be altered, and the demand is much higher overall at this point. Also, everyday wines are already more expensive than beer. It'd be more reasonable at a point like this to expect prices to gradually double or maybe go higher, crowding out some. (I wouldn't expect prices to be anywhere near where they are on mybeercellar or were on eBay, as the demand at those prices is really low.) This means that most everyone can still afford a bottle or two, but most can't afford to chase after multiple cases and hire mules.

Another option is more breweries turning to on-premises only and keeping things around for longer, perhaps paired with bars that don't do to-go sales. I love this option. There's nothing like having a great beer at the place it was made, often times discussing with people who had a hand in making it.

I think this is more of an objective analysis of what creates less of a headache for everyone involved, specifically breweries, distributors, and retail establishments that are getting more and more tired of dealing with the **** shows that releases have become. Based on time, monetary constraints, and other variables, everyone is going to have different opinions as to what the best solution is, but individual viewpoints probably aren't the best way to determine what's best. To take your example, I would personally much rather pay $100 for one bottle of Proprietor's than $0 (and wasted time) for 0 bottles of Proprietor's.

And with the new Goose Island taproom opening up at the Fulton location I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more of on-premises sales in 2015 with regards to the Bourbon County line.

I think North Coast was ahead of the curve with regards to their pricing as the Barrel Aged Old Stock / Old Rasputin were always a little bit higher than many of us would like, but they were on shelves at all better liquor stores almost until the next year's release came out.

At the end of the day there is no great solution when demand keeps increasing and supply has numerous constraints, but increasing the price to closer to market value would be one way to prevent the flippers which have found a way to make $$$ off of our chosen hobby. The new Rare release will be extremely interesting from a consumer economics perspective.