Yeah what he said!!! Haha
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Yeah what he said!!! Haha
imasickboy
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Yup. Forgot to do this. Thanks for the reminder.
*off to find who sent me beer, since it was good, and made me forget who sent it*
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
imasickboy
Drinkasaurus extraordinarius
If it's not Doug with an apology and a box of beer, I'm disappointed.
Redtab78
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Looks like doug didnt wait for your call so he came to you
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TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
I've called Doug...he doesn't work evenings.
Redtab78
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Because he was enroute to your front door apparently
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
Pfffffft, he's got a cubicle in Memphis. Whay breweries should I send him to?
LoneTreeFarms
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Side should be there tomorrow or Friday. My main box is getting packed up tonight
The box arrived (mostly) intact. One of the cans exploded in transit, but aside from some soggy newsprint everything made it through OK.
Picture will be incoming as soon as I get my living room clean enough to not be embarrassed by one. Too much stuff in a tiny apartment.
The box arrived (mostly) intact. One of the cans exploded in transit, but aside from some soggy newsprint everything made it through OK.
Picture will be incoming as soon as I get my living room clean enough to not be embarrassed by one. Too much stuff in a tiny apartment.
Prickly Pear?
Yep, you got it.
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
It definitely looks like it burst at the seam. Given that this is a kettle sour I’m slightly surprised — I would have expected any of the fun bugs to have perished in the boil. That said, having never even thought about brewing a sour, I’m probably missing something in that characterization of kettle sours!
Landed yesterday. Funny, the UPS guy was in front of my parking spot so I honked at him. He moved and followed me to my house and gave me a package.
Careful, you may be the next one to receive a letter.
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
Just got off the phone with Doug. Someone used my information to create an account and bill it to a three party shipping out of Pembroke Pines, FL. So, Doug is just trying to sort out who created the account.
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
Me, too. He was a pretty chill dude ... someone you could have a beer with, I'd say.
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
I just fired off an email to ASB to see what they'll give me for my two exploded cans and the fourth unopened can. I might put that one in a bucket for now just so that I don't have to add to the clean-up.
baldm79
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Glad to hear that it made it! Everything survive the voyage? I have another glass of that one broke
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
And for reference, here is what ASB had to say about their exploding cans.
Thanks for reaching out.
The problem is very simple: there's a TON (literally, over a metric ton in this batch) of fruit that went into this batch and if cans are not stored cold, they will referment in the can and cause the situation you are experiencing. There are no bugs, we can assure you of that. After Prickly Pear was released, we put on subsequent kettle sour cans, clear as daylight "Warning: Contains Lots of Fruit! Must Be Kept Cold At All Times" (refer to Tayberry cans, which I see are also stored in your garage).
Fine to replace your cans, send me an address and we'll mail you a 4-pack.
But I will say, I'm a bit concerned about seeing other fruited sours in your garage, and you even have some Slice Joint being stored warm as well. These beers are designed for relatively quick consumption (within a month) so that they can be enjoyed at peak freshness. They deserve to be stored cold, as well. Aroma / Flavor / Overall Quality will degrade at warm temperatures, especially when stored out for several months. The YoE beers are fine to cellar, and will actually improve with age and gain complexity over time. But not Alvarado Street beers. This is why we come out with new cans each week, so they are consumed fresh.
Hit us back with an address, and thanks for understanding where we're coming from.
It never dawned on me that they didn't fully ferment out their fruit, and therefore any can deformities will likely result in explosions due to the continued fermenting.
This makes sense though (re: fermenting fruit) because their kettle sours are very much fruit forward brews, and now I know. I wonder, then, how they manage to get certain levels of carbonation? I assume they're not canning while fermenting on the fruit, but their response leads me to believe otherwise. Maybe they maintain an extremely low temperature while adding in the fruit and force carb in the cans? That would prevent the fruit from fermenting, but pull in all the flavors?
Thanks for reaching out.
The problem is very simple: there's a TON (literally, over a metric ton in this batch) of fruit that went into this batch and if cans are not stored cold, they will referment in the can and cause the situation you are experiencing. There are no bugs, we can assure you of that. After Prickly Pear was released, we put on subsequent kettle sour cans, clear as daylight "Warning: Contains Lots of Fruit! Must Be Kept Cold At All Times" (refer to Tayberry cans, which I see are also stored in your garage).
Fine to replace your cans, send me an address and we'll mail you a 4-pack.
But I will say, I'm a bit concerned about seeing other fruited sours in your garage, and you even have some Slice Joint being stored warm as well. These beers are designed for relatively quick consumption (within a month) so that they can be enjoyed at peak freshness. They deserve to be stored cold, as well. Aroma / Flavor / Overall Quality will degrade at warm temperatures, especially when stored out for several months. The YoE beers are fine to cellar, and will actually improve with age and gain complexity over time. But not Alvarado Street beers. This is why we come out with new cans each week, so they are consumed fresh.
Hit us back with an address, and thanks for understanding where we're coming from.
It never dawned on me that they didn't fully ferment out their fruit, and therefore any can deformities will likely result in explosions due to the continued fermenting.
This makes sense though (re: fermenting fruit) because their kettle sours are very much fruit forward brews, and now I know. I wonder, then, how they manage to get certain levels of carbonation? I assume they're not canning while fermenting on the fruit, but their response leads me to believe otherwise. Maybe they maintain an extremely low temperature while adding in the fruit and force carb in the cans? That would prevent the fruit from fermenting, but pull in all the flavors?
TwistedGray
El Jefe Brewing Company
Gahhhh, I go to grab the last can to put it in the fridge to enjoy before it explodes, and ... well ... it already exploded. Damn it!
Going to borrow your pic. Son can photo shop my place. Free beer! Woot Woot!
Booo.
That’s some BS if you ask me. Seems like they need to refine their process a little to stop fermentation before canning a beer. It also seems like a liability. And definitely no way to control the amount of carbonation in their product. Seems like it’s a cover up. Call Doug in.
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