Ethics Thread

[zilch]

In the first place your priorities are all smurfed up.. You should be looking at porn while on the crapper at work.

Secondly, you should be happy and take pride in the fact that someone else is paying you to make the stinky stinky.

I feel a little bit disappointed myself whenever I have to make some stinky on my own time. I find myself thinking that it would be much better stinky if I were making it on company time.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned but for some reason I just really like getting paid to make some big stinky.

And as you are walking out, your new boss walks in. Ok to blame the residual atmosphere on someone else?

 

[BBL_Brewer]

Ok, here's one. My Dad was just in the hospital for 12 days with a horrible case of pnemonia. He's doing fine now. Well, I'd go see him everyday and while I was there I would snag a pair or two of nitrile gloves from his room. They waste those things constantly while I'm there. Everytime a hospital employee walls in the room they put on a pair of gloves. Sometimes they end up not even touching anything and then throw them away. I also snagged a few syringes (without needles) and some dust masks, but they hand out the dust masks freely and the syringes would have been thrown away since my Dad was being released and they were left in his room.

 

[Lushife]

Ok, here's one. My Dad was just in the hospital for 12 days with a horrible case of pnemonia. He's doing fine now. Well, I'd go see him everyday and while I was there I would snag a pair or two of nitrile gloves from his room. They waste those things constantly while I'm there. Everytime a hospital employee walls in the room they put on a pair of gloves. Sometimes they end up not even touching anything and then throw them away. I also snagged a few syringes (without needles) and some dust masks, but they hand out the dust masks freely and the syringes would have been thrown away since my Dad was being released and they were left in his room.

Be careful you might end up with a MRSA beer. I used to work at hospital and my mother is a nurse so my house is full of medical shiz.

 

[WesleyS]

Don't know if this qualifies for ethics or not but here it goes. My wife and I recently ordered take out. I wasn't feeling well so I stayed in the car while she went in to order. I looked at the online menu and told her what I wanted. She called me a couple minutes after going in and said they told her the pricing had changed on my item and while on the phone a manager came up and said nevermind he'll honor the old pricing since the web menu still had it. Not more than five minutes later she calls me back and said a different manager just came up with a printout of the online menu and said we were wrong and the pricing would not be honored. ( Come to find out later, the website was only updated through one link on the site, but not through another one, the one I looked at on my phone.) I came in and showed the original manager(who was going to honor the other price before the other guy got involved) the menu on my phone. He agreed to honor the price, but noticed the take out waitress had already closed the sale. He told me he couldn't change it, couldn't refund me the difference and couldn't put it on a gift card. After a bunch of back and forth he said the only thing he could do is refund me the amount out of his own pocket. It became more than about the money before we reached that point. So should I take the money? As a manager it's part of his job to make the customer happy, but should I take money from a guy that's just trying to do his job and is limited by the system his restaurant uses and it's not his fault that corporate hasn't changed the online menu.
Just wondering what others think.

 

[Lushife]

Don't know if this qualifies for ethics or not but here it goes. My wife and I recently ordered take out. I wasn't feeling well so I stayed in the car while she went in to order. I looked at the online menu and told her what I wanted. She called me a couple minutes after going in and said they told her the pricing had changed on my item and while on the phone a manager came up and said nevermind he'll honor the old pricing since the web menu still had it. Not more than five minutes later she calls me back and said a different manager just came up with a printout of the online menu and said we were wrong and the pricing would not be honored. ( Come to find out later, the website was only updated through one link on the site, but not through another one, the one I looked at on my phone.) I came in and showed the original manager(who was going to honor the other price before the other guy got involved) the menu on my phone. He agreed to honor the price, but noticed the take out waitress had already closed the sale. He told me he couldn't change it, couldn't refund me the difference and couldn't put it on a gift card. After a bunch of back and forth he said the only thing he could do is refund me the amount out of his own pocket. It became more than about the money before we reached that point. So should I take the money? As a manager it's part of his job to make the customer happy, but should I take money from a guy that's just trying to do his job and is limited by the system his restaurant uses and it's not his fault that corporate hasn't changed the online menu.
Just wondering what others think.

Wow, I give that guy a lot of credit. I wouldn't take his money. You should take it up with their complaints dept. and see if you can get the difference that way.

 

[WesleyS]

Wow, I give that guy a lot of credit. I wouldn't take his money. You should take it up with their complaints dept. and see if you can get the difference that way.

Yeah, I did that. Never heard back. So guess where I'll never eat again? I hate to be one of those people, but if a company doesn't care about customer concerns I'm done.

 

[Lushife]

Yeah, I did that. Never heard back. So guess where I'll never eat again?

Where?

 

[WesleyS]

Where?

The place I have a problem with.
It's a chain Italian restaurant. I think they're failing anyways. They've tried to compete with their competitor OG but I don't think are being successful. Prices that rise every month or so and food quality that goes down even faster isn't exactly a recipe for success.

 

[fuzzy2133]

The second manager should have never stepped into you situation. I have never been at any restaurant/food place where management couldn't reopen a tab and make changes. Thumbs up for offering to go into his pockets for a customer.

 

[WesleyS]

The second manager should have never stepped into you situation. I have never been at any restaurant/food place where management couldn't reopen a tab and make changes. Thumbs up for offering to go into his pockets for a customer.

I would've happily taken the money from the second manager. Instead of ensuring the customer was happy, he had to try to prove we were wrong. And was quite rude about it. Yeah, my wife and I make the rounds ripping restaurants off a few bucks at a time with fake online menus. What a moron.
And yes, I've never heard of a restaurant not being able to make changes to a tab. That's the one thing that leads me to believe he was just trying to get me to leave because he probably thought no one would ever take money from his pocket if they felt sorry for him that his hands were tied by their computer system. Still don't know what I think of this situation.

 

[Lushife]

Carabbas?

 

[WesleyS]

Carabbas?

Zio's

 

[turvis]

Did also comment on how good that manger was just wondering. Most are quick to complain about crappy service but when they get good service it goes uncommented on I personally try to always comment on good service. And no I wouldn't of taken his money.

 

[jerrodm]

Ok, here's one. My Dad was just in the hospital for 12 days with a horrible case of pnemonia. He's doing fine now. Well, I'd go see him everyday and while I was there I would snag a pair or two of nitrile gloves from his room. They waste those things constantly while I'm there. Everytime a hospital employee walls in the room they put on a pair of gloves. Sometimes they end up not even touching anything and then throw them away. I also snagged a few syringes (without needles) and some dust masks, but they hand out the dust masks freely and the syringes would have been thrown away since my Dad was being released and they were left in his room.

I'll say foul on this one, although I've done it in the past as well. That stuff isn't like hotel shampoos--they're not expecting you to take it. I pocketed a suture kit one time while I was in the e-room, because I needed it for my wilderness first-aid kit and hadn't found one at any of the places I'd looked (this was years ago, before Amazon could deliver you literally anything to your doorstep). But I'd still have to say it was definitely stealing, even if the rationale is clear and it might not be as bad as, say, punching a baby.

 

[Airborneguy]

I think the gloves are fine but anything else is stealing. Whenever I need gloves I just ask an ambulance for a box. That's how we get them at work for the most part.

 

[Lushife]

I think the gloves are fine but anything else is stealing. Whenever I need gloves I just ask an ambulance for a box. That's how we get them at work for the most part.

Yeah as long as you're not filling up a bag. I used to take all sorts of stuff when I worked a hospital. Always small stuff I needed and couldn't easily buy but they also were a holes to me at that job.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I think a good rule of thumb is "if the owner will not miss it, and wouldn't mind that you took it, then it is not unethical to take it"

 

[nasty_rabbit]

Yeah as long as you're not filling up a bag. I used to take all sorts of stuff when I worked a hospital. Always small stuff I needed and couldn't easily buy but they also were a holes to me at that job.

You are JUSTIFYING petty theft. I'm not saying that I am above that as I have done the same thing in a different environment. But I knew and accepted it as THEFT and understood the possible repercussions associated. Don't try to make yourself believe that it is OK because if ever caught you will have a hard time understanding the penalties.

 

[Lushife]

You are JUSTIFYING petty theft. I'm not saying that I am above that as I have done the same thing in a different environment. But I knew and accepted it as THEFT and understood the possible repercussions associated. Don't try to make yourself believe that it is OK because if ever caught you will have a hard time understanding the penalties.

Yeah maybe I am justifying petty theft but I am quite capable of understanding penalties I don't live live in some dreamworld. I think that last sentence was a little uncalled for. Also, I don't think there would any serious penalties for taking a bulb syringe or some gloves.

 

[Cromwell]

Yeah maybe I am justifying petty theft but I am quite capable of understanding penalties I don't live live in some dreamworld. I think that last sentence was a little uncalled for. Also, I don't think there would any serious penalties for taking a bulb syringe or some gloves.

I think that's what nasty rabbit is trying to say. You don't think there would be any serious penalty for taking a bulb syringe, and if you happened to get 6 months in jail for it (which is perfectly allowable by law), you'd be stunned. It is petty theft after all, and it's a misdemeanor, not an infraction.

I doubt you would, but the point was you can convince yourself of something that others (in power) don't see your way, and there can be a rude awakening.

My point might be different, though. Do you consider yourself an ethical person? Have you sold your ethics for the cost of a couple gloves and syringes. Are your ethics worth $5-10? It's not a big deal in terms of money. Hospital economics assume a certain waste (loss). But now you're a thief. Maybe worse, a petty thief.

 

[nasty_rabbit]

Yeah maybe I am justifying petty theft but I am quite capable of understanding penalties I don't live live in some dreamworld. I think that last sentence was a little uncalled for. Also, I don't think there would any serious penalties for taking a bulb syringe or some gloves.

I apologize for implying a lack of understanding. This is why I hate texting, there is no visual emotion conveyed. Depending on the employer, a bulb syringe or some gloves may be an offense that they would consider to be grounds for termination. A rank and file employee may only consider it fringe benefits. I witnessed this first hand when a co-worker lost his job for pocketing a few nuts and bolts from the maintenance supply crib and would not accept the fact that it was theft.

 

[jerrodm]

So, just want to point out here that the original intent of this thread was to examine ethical dilemmas, not the moral character of the discussion participants themselves...I know it's a little difficult to separate between the people and the circumstances, but it would be a shame if what has been so far an interesting discussion on ethics turned into a series of personal attacks. Not that that ever happens on internet boards...

Also, this guy:

Cheers!

 

[Lushife]

I think that's what nasty rabbit is trying to say. You don't think there would be any serious penalty for taking a bulb syringe, and if you happened to get 6 months in jail for it (which is perfectly allowable by law), you'd be stunned. It is petty theft after all, and it's a misdemeanor, not an infraction.

I doubt you would, but the point was you can convince yourself of something that others (in power) don't see your way, and there can be a rude awakening.

My point might be different, though. Do you consider yourself an ethical person? Have you sold your ethics for the cost of a couple gloves and syringes. Are your ethics worth $5-10? It's not a big deal in terms of money. Hospital economics assume a certain waste (loss). But now you're a thief. Maybe worse, a petty thief.

So you've never taken anything from work? Or anywhere for that matter.

 

[nasty_rabbit]

I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,

1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?

2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or

3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,

1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?

2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or

3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?

#2 for sure.

 

[mcbaumannerb]

I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,

1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?

2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or

3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?

Depends on how dirty the floor is and what the fish looked like after picking it up. If it was mostly intact and a quick brushing got rid of hair then #1; otherwise #3.

 

[WesleyS]

Depends on how dirty the floor is and what the fish looked like after picking it up. If it was mostly intact and a quick brushing got rid of hair then #1; otherwise #3.

Same here.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I have a couple "friends" that I would gladly serve a hairy fish.

 

[mcbaumannerb]

I have a couple "friends" that I would gladly serve a hairy fish.

If they are that good of "friends" why would you invite them over for dinner?

 

[jerrodm]

I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,

1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?

2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or

3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?

Numero uno. Never met a tuna too hairy for my tastebuds....