Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[Homercidal]

I guess what it comes down to is who is willing to concede to make a deal happen. If one side isn't willing to do a little give and take, then both sides are screwed, no matter which side you find yourself backing.

Maybe the best thing is to just give up and not play hockey. The league seems to be making out pretty good so far with that tact.

 

[jtkratzer]

I'm not saying the players shouldn't help fix it. I said the proposals by the league asking the players to take all these concessions in pay and rights doesn't fix the root cause of the problem. Regardless of who is at fault, the bleeding has to be stopped before any hope of financial balance and stability can be achieved. Out earning your red ink isn't really an option as demonstrated by back to back to back record revenues and there's still all this red ink across the league.

If arenas are losing money at concert events, as stated in the article about Nashville, there really isn't an income level sufficiently low enough to balance the books that will keep the players in the NHL.

I'm not debating for one side or the other. I'm trying to play the disinterested third party who sees both sides. I'm vehemently against unions and wholeheartedly support the right to work concept. I'm a business owner myself. But I realize the talent on the ice is the league's foundation. It takes two to tango. If I'm an owner, I want to win championships and make money. If I'm a player, I want to win championships and make money. We have the same goals, only issue is the more the players make, the more the owners have to cut into profits to pay them. Supply and demand. There has to be a balance where both parties are happy.

The owners and league need to figure out a model that keeps the financially solvent to ensure the league continues to exist and do so in a manner that the players will accept and play the game. It's that simple. And it's that complicated.

No different than the fiscal cliff in the US, expect there are no voters or lobbyists in the NHL, just the fans who want to see the games.

Both sides in both cases seem unwilling to make or accept the difficult choices. Players need to realize their employers need to be profitable and the owners need to realize the players are their cash cows and should be treated (read paid) accordingly. Both sides need to make all financial bits and particulars public to show the crisis that exists.

Owners have the power as the employer to write the rules. If the players don't like it, they can go elsewhere and the owners settle for a reduction of talent on the ice that likely impacts profits. The players need to realize the owners have to make money to keep the teams operating. If they don't like it, they go elsewhere.

 

[Gixxer]

Watched a Nashville predators game last night from 1999... Was supposed to be a highlight type game for them but the devils were up 2-0 in the second before I turned it off?? Huh. Might have been one of those comeback games...

 

[Homercidal]

I watched a few minutes of a Chicago game from like 94 or something. Chelios was still playing for them. After the few minute or two of interest in the hair and clothes of the day, I gave up. Just a bunch of dudes I learned to dislike playing in STANDARD DEFINITION!

I couldn't take it.

 

[Gixxer]

HAHA!!! That was before the rule changes... Maybe even still used magnets in the goal posts! Standard def?? What a travesty... How could anybody see the puck movement watching those cave drawings??!! Lol you think that's bad go to YouTube and watch B&W footage of games from way before '94

 

[Gixxer]

Haha watching that game I saw Oliwa pound some predators face into oblivion. And since we are name dropping how bout randy McKay or cliff Ronning?

 

[schmoe]

I watched a few minutes of a Chicago game from like 94 or something. Chelios was still playing for them. After the few minute or two of interest in the hair and clothes of the day, I gave up. Just a bunch of dudes I learned to dislike playing in STANDARD DEFINITION!

I couldn't take it.

Even worse than standard def is standard def with the blue streak following way behind the actual puck.

 

[MeatyPortion]

lol

"Hey this should in no way perturb any of our fans!" - likely by some FOX executive after his second eight-ball

http://ictvictor.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/foxtrax-puck-tracking-failure/

 

[jtkratzer]

Looks like NHL '94 on Super Nintendo, wait, that actually might look better than what's pictured above.

 

[Tiber_Brew]

Looks like NHL '94 on Super Nintendo, wait, that actually might look better than what's pictured above.

I still play that game. One of the best ever.

 

[jtkratzer]

I still play that game. One of the best ever.

On SNES? I played that game a lot. Does the dump in from the blue line while skating straight at the goal score every time on the system you're using, if not SNES?

 

[paulster2626]

So the Canadian Jr. team loses to the dirty Finns today. No matter - we're just getting warmed up. Hell, as long as they beat those silly American kids, I'll be happy.


(I normally don't care about this tourney - at all - but this thread has a way too high of a butthurt/trash-talk ratio)

So Fehr and Bettman, screw your stupid lockout - there's some good hockey on for the next couple of weeks!

 

[Homercidal]

World Juniors? Have never watched. I'll be tuning into that fo sho.

Plus the Florida College Hockey Classic is coming up, in which Ferris Bulldogs are playing. Just have to find a way to watch it. Or even listen to it.

 

[Tiber_Brew]

On SNES? I played that game a lot. Does the dump in from the blue line while skating straight at the goal score every time on the system you're using, if not SNES?

On PS2. NHL '06 on PS2 came with a "retro '94" mode. Played it on SNES growing up, though. A LOT.

Yeah, the same old tricks work on the PS2 version that worked on the original SNES. Awesome game.

 

[Gixxer]

Meh... I would expect the Canadians to play better hockey than Americans. I mean, come on! They just got the internet in Canada what, two weeks ago?

 

[paulster2626]

Meh... I would expect the Canadians to play better hockey than Americans. I mean, come on! They just got the internet in Canada what, two weeks ago?

Pretty much. We've been too busy drinking real beer to worry about mindless online ramblings about gun control. That, and it's too damn cold up here - hard to type with mittens on, you know?

 

[solbes]

World Juniors? Have never watched. I'll be tuning into that fo sho.

Plus the Florida College Hockey Classic is coming up, in which Ferris Bulldogs are playing. Just have to find a way to watch it. Or even listen to it.

World Juniors is the Shiz. I'll be watching. I should have watched the US OT win against Sweden.

Best case, I wanna see Bulldog vs Bulldog in Florida. Duluth vs Ferris. Duluth Dogs win of course.

Fehr and Bettman can shove it. They suck.

 

[Homercidal]

World Juniors is the Shiz. I'll be watching. I should have watched the US OT win against Sweden.

Best case, I wanna see Bulldog vs Bulldog in Florida. Duluth vs Ferris. Duluth Dogs win of course.

Fehr and Bettman can shove it. They suck.

In your dreams. :eyeroll: Ferris has not been playing to their abilities every game this year and have a lot of younger players, but they will step up for the tourney (as long as they don't get sidetracked by the warm sun and hot ladies of the Sunshine State.)

 

[dudius]

Pretty much. We've been too busy drinking real beer to worry about mindless online ramblings about gun control. That, and it's too damn cold up here - hard to type with mittens on, you know?

Your depiction of the US is too accurate for me to believe you're from Canada.

In your dreams. :eyeroll: Ferris has not been playing to their abilities every game this year and have a lot of younger players, but they will step up for the tourney (as long as they don't get sidetracked by the warm sun and hot ladies of the Sunshine State.)

Let's hope so.

 

[Leeds1]

The owners wanted to create a partnership with the PA a long time ago. Bettman was working with Paul Kelly well before the CBA was close to expiring, and the PA saw this as an act of weakness and organized a late-night coup to get rid of him (he was fired at 2am).

Then, they bring in Donald Fehr. This is a guy with a track record of work stoppages, and has said time and again he is 100% opposed to salary caps. He was brought in not to work with the League and create harmony, but to start a war.

Bettman and the League offered to begin negotiations waaaaaaay back in January of 2012, the PA said no. Bettman wanted to begin working on a new CBA near the end of the season, the PA said no. Bettman wanted to get going on a new CBA early in the summer - PA said no. So the NHL concocts some asinine proposal to get things started, and the PA says "this is insane" and then takes an entire month to counter. Funny thing is the proposal was a complete reversal to what the owners/player split was during the last CBA.

Anyway, if the League had just continued to play, the players would hold all the leverage as they'd be able to strike whenever they wanted. Donald Fehr has a reputation for work disruption, and this would have been no different.

One side has been dragging its feet and unwilling to cooperate, and it's the NHLPA. The owners list of demands is high, but the unwillingness of the PA to work off of their requests is what has cost us 1/2 a season and created such animosity in the boardroom. At least, that's how I see it.

Either way I think every single person involved in this can suck a big one. This shouldn't be so difficult to sort out.

Absolutely ridiculous. This 100% on the owners.

 

[rjwhite41]

Fehr and Bettman can shove it. They suck.

Just needed to be repeated (again, and again, and again, and again...)

 

[paulster2626]

Hahahah this made me laugh. The NHL is so out to lunch it's comical.

 

[jtkratzer]

Hahahah this made me laugh. The NHL is so out to lunch it's comical.

I commented on that fairly early and was hoping to see my comment.

 

[Bulls Beers]

Brewing beer and watching Junior hockey..It's not the NHL, but it's really good. USA vs Russia These kids are very talented...

 

[jtkratzer]

Brewing beer and watching Junior hockey..It's not the NHL, but it's really good. USA vs Russia These kids are very talented...

I had the US/Germany game on last night until we put Dark Knight Rises in.

 

[paulster2626]

Brewing beer and watching Junior hockey..It's not the NHL, but it's really good. USA vs Russia These kids are very talented...

World Junior hockey is awesome. Kids all go balls-out trying to win. Every game matters.

Make sure you catch Canada vs. USA on New Year's Eve. Annual tradition, and these teams hate each other.

 

[Bulls Beers]

I had the US/Germany game on last night until we put Dark Knight Rises in.

That was a good game until 19 seconds in... I thought Germany was gonna play better. I think they have to play Russia next. Yikes, that's a tall task.

 

[Bulls Beers]

World Junior hockey is awesome. Kids all go balls-out trying to win. Every game matters.

Make sure you catch Canada vs. USA on New Year's Eve. Annual tradition, and these teams hate each other.

That's gonna be a good game. I can't wait.

 

[HoppyDaze]

We got hockey here Portland. Western Hockey League....very quality play without the political nonsense. Winterhawks are killing it this year too

 

[BorealBrewer]

When our boys was down 3 goals against Slovakia, I was sweating more than when I'm paddling my canoe on Canada Day wearing a toque!!!

Nice comeback, though, eh?

(Sorry, everyone. World Jr. Hockey + beer makes me go all super-Canadian!)

Looking forward to Can-US on the 30th. First time I'll be watching Scheifle and Trouba on the same surface - two names I'll be hearing here in Wpg for years!

Hoppy Daze: +1 on the Winterhawks being awesome hockey. I saw the 'Hawks play the Wheat Kings in Brandon back at the beginning of the season.