Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[Leeds1]

Didn't see the game so I can't comment on the icing. I just saw the replay at intermission of the wings game and he was way offsides. I don't know how that could be missed. It also gave philly life and was 1 of the 3 goals that sent the game to ot. If I was a pens fan I'd be pretty pissed and if I was flyers I'd admit it was a gimme.

He was definitely offsides, but i can see how the ref missed it because he was behind Briere. The missed icing led directly to a goal for the Pens as well. Two blown calls leading to goals for each team, the score would have been 3-2 Flyers.

 

[spearko520]

I'm just glad last night didn't take this long:

that brought back memories - bouche had that crazy streak going. i just want to hear all those pundits that have the pens in the finals choke. Never even gave the flyers a chance to beat a team they owned in the regular season...

 

[copyright1997]

He was definitely offsides, but i can see how the ref missed it because he was behind Briere. The missed icing led directly to a goal for the Pens as well. Two blown calls leading to goals for each team, the score would have been 3-2 Flyers.

First, miss calls happen. I'm a Penguins fan, but the flyers didn't win because of the missed offside call...they won because they kept playing while the Penguins (other than Fluery) tried to get all fancy with their passing (think stretch pass and lots of east-west passing) in the middle of the game and then forgot that you can't win a hockey game in your own zone. Just no excuse for giving up four unanswered goals and looking really piss poor in overtime. I watch pretty much all of the Penguins games, and this is not a first time occurance (regardless of their regular season record of winning games when leading after 2 periods).

Having said that, the so called missed icing call wasn't. If you go back and look at the replay, the puck was coming out to the penguin player (I forget who), and a Flyer player hit him and raised his stick, the puck went past. The one linesman raised his hand for icing, but the other immediately waived it off.

Here's the rule:
The Linesman shall have discretion to wave off apparent icing infractions on attempted passes if those passes are deemed receivable (attainable). In order for the Linesman to wash out the icing for this reason, the receiving player’s stick must be on the attacking side of the center red line and he must be eligible to receive the pass (e.g. he cannot be in an off-side position and cannot be involved in a player change that would result in a too many men on the ice penalty if he were to play the puck).

Again, I'm not bringing this up as an excuse. The flyers, especially Briere, Schenn, Talbot, played great. Just trying to help the flyers hockey "experts" out a bit.

 

[jtkratzer]

Your posting of the rule has nothing to do with the touch up or the fact that one called it icing and then another waved it off after both players were already in pursuit of the puck for the icing touch up and not looking over their shoulders for whether or not the call was waived off. Doesn't matter. That icing non-call is not the only reason that goal was scored, but like the missed offside call, it started the sequence of events that led to goals. Those two plays alone don't account for the final score. After the 1st, the Flyers outworked the Pens, they won the special teams game for the entire game, and had the heart to win the game.

Is it ok if I call you "arrogant" with quotes? Is that less sarcastic and insulting?

These two posts are from another forum:

Okay rant on

From a Pens fan,

Some times they can come out and play on all cylinders, the problem is that all too often what follows is playing like idiots.

Tonight is a prefect example.

While I love the Pens I also HATE the Pens. Why? Because they often think one period of hockey is enough when we all know it isn't.

Freaking IDIOTS ... we get one amazing period and then you rest on your heals thinking you are 'all that', only to get your asses handed to you in the third (or overtime) ... freaking ********

I have said it 100 times before and I will say it again, this team (the Pens) needs to realize they ain't 'all that' until they play as a TEAM.

Crosby, Malkin? you ain't **** without the rest of the team and if the rest of the team don't get it you are done!

End rant from the Pens fan ... I give the **** up, after seeing the Pens tonight I don't think they deserve ****, end of story

This post followed in response to the Pens fan's post:

I think a Lot of it comes down to leadership. I think Crosby and Malkin are two very talented guys... there is no disputing that. They are two of the best in the league. But I think they fail in one big role(along with Ovechkin) - leadership. When they start getting down, or doing things wrong, you don't see anything out of the "leaders". Even Brooks Orpik, a vet on the team. The only emotion they do show at times, is one of complaining, or looking for a call instead of manning up, getting pissed, and telling your team to nut up. You look at the Flyers last night... they got down, Giroux hit Briere and said "Let's go man", almost like it was embarrassing. They stepped up, along with some big plays from Schenn, and the horse got back on the path. You need those guys to step up and call people out... to be a spark when you're getting down... and quite frankly, I don't think the Pens have that. They have talent, but they don't always seem to have heart... something I feel they lost a lot of with Talbot.

It's going to be a long series though... can't count anyone out yet..

Several Pens fans then posted they agree with that assessment and I see where both sides are coming from.

You've posted about the Pens not staying focused or trying to win by playing for 20 minutes. They are a skilled team, but leadership and coaching is what gets you through the 60 minutes, the 82 games, and the playoffs. Skill only takes you so far.

This series is far from over, I just love to see the experts, and fans, eat humble pie after the comments about being made their b*tches and raping. It's a bigger win because of the comeback, another comeback.

I was surprised at the lack of shenanigans from both teams...other than when Adams got crushed as he tried to hit Schenn and then wanted to act like a tough guy and get Schenn to drop the gloves.

 

[copyright1997]

Your posting of the rule has nothing to do with the touch up or the fact that one called it icing and then another waved it off after both players were already in pursuit of the puck for the icing touch up and not looking over their shoulders for whether or not the call was waived off. Doesn't matter. That icing non-call is not the only reason that goal was scored, but like the missed offside call, it started the sequence of events that led to goals. Those two plays alone don't account for the final score. After the 1st, the Flyers outworked the Pens, they won the special teams game for the entire game, and had the heart to win the game.

Here's the point: The waived off icing call was correct, not a missed call. So you and the leeds fool should stop yammering about it like it somehow is the same as the missed offside.

Again I will say: The missed offside call, although it cost the Penguins a goal, should have been irrelevant to the outcome. No excuses. It was right after the 1st goal last night when I posted that the pens were starting to play sloppy, I didn't bitch and whine (like you would have) about a bad call.

 

[Leeds1]

It was blown call and most of the analysts agreed, just like the offsides was a blown call.

The Pens got out worked, again, nothing more nothing less. And I take great pleasure that Malkin has continually been shut down this year by a kid who can't buy beer for two more years.

 

[jtkratzer]

Here's the point: The waived off icing call was correct, not a missed call. So you and the leeds fool should stop yammering about it like it somehow is the same as the missed offside.

Again I will say: The missed offside call, although it cost the Penguins a goal, should have been irrelevant to the outcome. No excuses. It was right after the 1st goal last night when I posted that the pens were starting to play sloppy, I didn't bitch and whine (like you would have) about a bad call.

You are b*tching and whining right now and continue to drivel out your "arrogance" as you try to console yourself about your team's inadequacies at the Consol Energy Center against the Flyers.

Crosby and Co continue to flop, exaggerate, embellish, etc to try to get power play time, that they can't score on instead of manning up and finding their heart and guts. They're a skilled team filled with a bunch of gutless cry baby individuals. Look at the OT goal. All these "seasoned, playoff-hardened warriors" like Staal, Letang, Fleury, etc just staring at the puck, not playing physical, and it cost them the game. Instead of fighting through checks and the physical play dished out by the Flyers, they slouched their heads like they were hurt, or blew their heads back like they took a Mike Tyson upper cut. These super stars who are so above everyone else in the league that we should just hand them the Cup now, can't even hold onto a 3-0 lead or play a full 60 minute game when their first 20 minutes was textbook domination and owning the opponent.

I was fine with having a friendly chat about the game and talking about the good and bad on both sides, but you continue to wear your Steel Town Blinders you bought at the souvenir shop.

Did I complain once last night about any of the penalties? Nope. I was disappointed about the Penguins dropping their game to embellishment and the officials falling for it.

Did I complain about the icing call? Nope, just stated that it started a sequence eventually leading to a goal and I can see how it was confusing for Coburn and the defense. Credit to the Pens for continuing to play as there was no whistle or assumption it was going to be blown dead as icing.

Seriously, if you can't talk about the game without trying to turn this into a playground slapping contest, then shut the f*ck up and join a Penguins support group where you all can jerk each other off taking turns wearing Crosby's jersey.

A number of people have commented they don't want to hear complaining about the officiating. Done, and the rest of us don't want to hear you cry yourself to sleep through the keyboard as you whine about the officials, the broadcasters, the analysts, and everyone outside Pittsburgh's fan base agrees that the call was confusing on the ice for the players, whether it was right or wrong. I don't care about the call, just stating the blatantly obvious that two officials giving opposing signs is confusing.

Here's a tissue.

 

[rjwhite41]

Well, Helm's done for the season and Weber got a slap on the wrist. Guess it's not Christmas in hockeytown. On to game 2.

 

[HawksBrewer]

Enough with the back and forth already. The playoffs are meant to be enjoyed, not complained about to no end. "Steps off soapbox..." GO HAWKS :rockin:

 

[Barnzy02]

Eh, what Weber did wouldn't have even been sneezed at 20 years ago. Don't think it warrants a suspension in the Playoffs.

 

[ColbyJack]

Eh, what Weber did wouldn't have even been sneezed at 20 years ago. Don't think it warrants a suspension in the Playoffs.

I agree. This no-concussion movement has changed the flow of the game forever. If Logan Cotourier gets checked from behind again in the next Sharks game it will be his fault. You shouldn't change the game to make a guy let up in the corners, or make a split decision to not check a guy.
I was beside myself watching the Canucks get penalty after penalty for good hard checks.
This is the time of year to put the whistle in your pocket and let the gladiators battle it out. The Cup should not be won on the power play.
Colby Jack

 

[emjay]

I agree. This no-concussion movement has changed the flow of the game forever. If Logan Cotourier gets checked from behind again in the next Sharks game it will be his fault. You shouldn't change the game to make a guy let up in the corners, or make a split decision to not check a guy.
I was beside myself watching the Canucks get penalty after penalty for good hard checks.
This is the time of year to put the whistle in your pocket and let the gladiators battle it out. The Cup should not be won on the power play.
Colby Jack

I only saw it once but it looked to me like after the check, he took his hand and used it to smash Helm's face into the boards. Guess I saw wrong...

 

[Barnzy02]

I only saw it once but it looked to me like after the check, he took his hand and used it to smash Helm's face into the boards. Guess I saw wrong...

He missed the first attempt up high trying to pin himto the boards, then grabbed his head and smushed it to the boards at the final whistle. I only saw replays, but the more i watched it the less violent it looked, imo. Definitely was a cheap shot, but that's why he was fined.

It was Zetterberg also, Helm left early in the first after his hand was sliced open.

 

[paulster2626]

Anyone read anything about why the scheduling has NJ/FLA starting two days later than the opening of the playoffs? Seemed logical to put two east and two west games each night.

If their series goes 6 or 7 games, it could end up leaving a break of several days to a week until the second round starts.

Probably something happening in the FLA arena tonight and last night. Or network TV-driven. Seems like they are trying to force us to watch that series to me.

 

[arturo7]

A few years back, "bear hug" checks against the boards were decreed as holding in an effort to speed up the game. The downside is that if someone is against the boards the only option is a body check. Hitting, instead of mashing someone into the boards is inherently more dangerous.

Hate to say it, but the best way to prevent injuries along the boards is to allow a bit of the ol' clutch and hold back into to game.

 

[copyright1997]

You are b*tching and whining right now and continue to drivel out your "arrogance" as you try to console yourself about your team's inadequacies at the Consol Energy Center against the Flyers.

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Did I complain about the icing call? Nope, just stated that it started a sequence eventually leading to a goal and I can see how it was confusing for Coburn and the defense. Credit to the Pens for continuing to play as there was no whistle or assumption it was going to be blown dead as icing.
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Done, and the rest of us don't want to hear you cry yourself to sleep through the keyboard as you whine about the officials, the broadcasters, the analysts, and ...

You really are an idiot or just an a-hole. Here's some of your prior posts:

Not much of a chance on the first one when Grossy couldn't find the puck at his feet, second one was on an 2-on-1, and the third was one he should have had. It would have been nice if the icing had been blown as the arm was up until the players crossed the goal line...not the start they were looking for, but as Pens fans know, Flyers can come from behind to win.

Not true. Go back and look at the video, the 2nd linesman waived it off almsot imediately (way before the players crossed the goal line)

That's what I said...it was over the line before it was waved off and done so just before the players got there. That was the start of that third goal.

No different than the icing waived off or that "boarding" call that only came after Orpik put his crybaby head down.

An non-call offside in the playoffs cost the Flyers the Cup about 20 years ago. I doubt this situation will have the same significance.

lol

Let's not forgot about the blown icing call on the Penguins

Another flyer expert joins in.

As far as I'm concerned, each team had a goal scored of a miscue by the officials when it comes to the lines on the ice, not penalty calls. The fact the officials didn't get the call consistent on the icing and Coburn got there first...there's Pittsburgh's goal. Briere got the other one.
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The missed icing led directly to a goal for the Pens as well. Two blown calls leading to goals for each team, the score would have been 3-2 Flyers.

It was blown call and most of the analysts agreed, just like the offsides was a blown call.

Can't remember what you wrote?

Now, show me where I did any of this:

as you whine about the officials, the broadcasters, the analysts

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I even complimented a number of the flyers players. Or, can't you read?

 

[jtkratzer]

I agree. This no-concussion movement has changed the flow of the game forever. If Logan Cotourier gets checked from behind again in the next Sharks game it will be his fault. You shouldn't change the game to make a guy let up in the corners, or make a split decision to not check a guy.
I was beside myself watching the Canucks get penalty after penalty for good hard checks.
This is the time of year to put the whistle in your pocket and let the gladiators battle it out. The Cup should not be won on the power play.
Colby Jack

Which was what made the Flyers/Pens Game 1 awesome. The game is meant to be played tough with hits and physical play. I'm glad the players behaved enough after the whistles to keep the officials from trying to contain a powder keg everyone was expecting from the regular season.

Anyone else pumped to see the Rags/Sens kick things off tonight?

 

[jtkratzer]

Probably something happening in the FLA arena tonight and last night. Or network TV-driven. Seems like they are trying to force us to watch that series to me.

But by scheduling it to open on Friday, it's there with the Pitt/Philly series and I'm betting more people will be watching that.

 

[DangerRoss]

But by scheduling it to open on Friday, it's there with the Pitt/Philly series and I'm betting more people will be watching that.

American Idol was still at #1. You can decide whether that was the Philly/Pitt game or the singing show. Either way both are hard to watch and their fans are annoying as F*CK!

 

[jtkratzer]

Copyright, you win. You get the last word. None of us Flyer fans compare and we bow before your excellence. Happy?

Can we move on and just be civil for f*ck's sake?

 

[copyright1997]

Copyright, you win. You get the last word. None of us Flyer fans compare and we bow before your excellence. Happy?

Can we move on and just be civil for f*ck's sake?

No I'm not happy, my frickin team lost a game they never should have. (No different than if the Flyers were up 3-0, I wouldn't expect them to lose.)

Just a joke! Yes, let's move on.

 

[Leeds1]

Copyright, you win. You get the last word. None of us Flyer fans compare and we bow before your excellence. Happy?

Can we move on and just be civil for f*ck's sake?

No way, that yinzer is a major f'n tool.

 

[punkrockdave]

I only saw it once but it looked to me like after the check, he took his hand and used it to smash Helm's face into the boards. Guess I saw wrong...

No you are right, he grabbed the back of his helmet and slammed his head into the boards.

 

[rjwhite41]

He missed the first attempt up high trying to pin himto the boards, then grabbed his head and smushed it to the boards at the final whistle. I only saw replays, but the more i watched it the less violent it looked, imo. Definitely was a cheap shot, but that's why he was fined.

It was Zetterberg also, Helm left early in the first after his hand was sliced open.

I agree. It looked really bad when I first saw it but after a couple of replays I didn't think it was too bad. Punishment fit the crime but it would be a lot easier on the Wings if Weber wasn't out there.

 

[thedingo]

Copyright, you win. You get the last word. None of us Flyer fans compare and we bow before your excellence. Happy?

Can we move on and just be civil for f*ck's sake?

Feeling ok mate? Seems unlike you to give in like this

 

[Northjerzyg]

let's go rangers!!!!!

 

[Irbefan]

Let's go Sharks! Would love to steal a game in St. Louis.

 

[rjwhite41]

Just saw the no icing call. It's a judgment call but it sure looks like icing to me. The offsides you could have seen from the cheap seats. That was horrible. Anyway, just the one ranger fan in jersey? Anyone else have a horse in the race tonight? You're turn to talk $hit.

edit: see we got a sharks fan in colorado too.

 

[Northjerzyg]

Who is ur "horse"?

Rangers look good. Hittin hard, playin solid d.

 

[emjay]

let's go rangers!!!!!

No.