Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[Tiber_Brew]

The Sedins tried to play more aggressive to deal with all the criticism early in game 5 and got reamed for it. That's not what they're good at, that's not what they're paid to do. Sedin was taking the punches so that it wouldn't devolve into a brawl, something he really can't afford to be in, and he had a reasonable expectation of it being stopped by a ref MUCH earlier.

I don't know if you guys have ever played hockey beyond a house league, but everybody was wrong in that thing EXCEPT Sedin. It's like an unwritten rule, you don't **** with the star players, and you don't **** with people who clearly have no intention of fighting. Ask even some of the toughest enforcers in the league... they stick to fighting there own kind, and even then, usually wait till both guys have signaled their intention before throwing down.

Agreed. It's definitely a grey area, but there is a general understanding. Depending on the team, expect some varying degrees of retaliation for messing with the star players who aren't engaging in, or responding to that kind of altercation.

With the Canucks, I'm not sure though... It's not like they have the likes of Bob Probert to lay down the enforcement. I guess we'll see if/how they retaliate. If not physically, then maybe by parading Lord Stanley's Cup downtown Vancouver. If not, then I'd say that team lacks some "depth."

 

[Boleslaus]

The Sedins tried to play more aggressive to deal with all the criticism early in game 5 and got reamed for it. That's not what they're good at, that's not what they're paid to do. Sedin was taking the punches so that it wouldn't devolve into a brawl, something he really can't afford to be in, and he had a reasonable expectation of it being stopped by a ref MUCH earlier.

I don't know if you guys have ever played hockey beyond a house league, but everybody was wrong in that thing EXCEPT Sedin. It's like an unwritten rule, you don't **** with the star players, and you don't **** with people who clearly have no intention of fighting. Ask even some of the toughest enforcers in the league... they stick to fighting there own kind, and even then, usually wait till both guys have signaled their intention before throwing down.

The ref also screwed up BIG TIME. Again... unwritten rule, every experienced hockey player knows this: doesn't matter if other players are in a full-on fight, the ref CANNOT allow that to be happening to a star player and should have been watching and stepped in immediately. I'd be very surprised if that ref wasn't at least threatened with a firing over that... it's a HUGE oversight. That's what Sedin meant when he said he was waiting for the ref to stop it. The worst thing he could do (on so many levels) is bring himself down to Marchand's level.

I agree with you to some extent. Everyone knows you don't f*** with the star player because you'll get your skull pounded in, not because the ref will come to the defense of [insert star player here]. If there was never retaliation for messing with Gretzky, I'm sure plenty of guys would have loved to lay him out or give him a few good butt-ends. But people didn't mess with him. The Sedins appear to be fair game though....and that's something Vancouver needs to look at.

 

[Beezy]

I agree with you to some extent. Everyone knows you don't f*** with the star player because you'll get your skull pounded in, not because the ref will come to the defense of [insert star player here]. If there was never retaliation for messing with Gretzky, I'm sure plenty of guys would have loved to lay him out or give him a few good butt-ends. But people didn't mess with him. The Sedins appear to be fair game though....and that's something Vancouver needs to look at.

I disagree with that. Things have changed. Players aren't afraid of goons. They just don't drop the gloves and the goon gets penalized. Being a Pens fan I watch teams have their way with our stars and its not like the pens don't have players that can hit and or punch.

 

[StittsvilleJames]

The Sedins tried to play more aggressive to deal with all the criticism early in game 5 and got reamed for it. That's not what they're good at, that's not what they're paid to do. Sedin was taking the punches so that it wouldn't devolve into a brawl, something he really can't afford to be in, and he had a reasonable expectation of it being stopped by a ref MUCH earlier.

I don't know if you guys have ever played hockey beyond a house league, but everybody was wrong in that thing EXCEPT Sedin. It's like an unwritten rule, you don't **** with the star players, and you don't **** with people who clearly have no intention of fighting. Ask even some of the toughest enforcers in the league... they stick to fighting there own kind, and even then, usually wait till both guys have signaled their intention before throwing down.

The ref also screwed up BIG TIME. Again... unwritten rule, every experienced hockey player knows this: doesn't matter if other players are in a full-on fight, the ref CANNOT allow that to be happening to a star player and should have been watching and stepped in immediately. I'd be very surprised if that ref wasn't at least threatened with a firing over that... it's a HUGE oversight. That's what Sedin meant when he said he was waiting for the ref to stop it. The worst thing he could do (on so many levels) is bring himself down to Marchand's level.

As for making fun of the Horton hit... I would LOVE to know the reasoning behind the suspension. It deserved a 2:00 interference penalty, that's it. It's almost like they took him out because they figured Boston was going to be down an important player and it'd make it fair, not because he actually did anything suspension-worthy.

Boohoo. Until we get rid of the instigator, Sedin better learn to man up and put his balls on.

Sedin is a *****, plain and simple.
If someone was doing that to Crosby, he would defend himself. Ovechkin, would defend himself. Spezza, Kessel, hell even Gomez, would defend themselves. Everyone in the league with balls would have defended himself. Sedins are babies. This isn't the playground. The teacher isn't going to come and save him from the mean bully.

And the hit on Horton was late, and Rome was trying to injure Horton. That's why he was suspended. Not hard to figure out. Christ, if that happened to Henrik Vancouver would have drowned in the tears of their fans. Imagine if it happened to Kessel! Toronto would have imploded!

I wanted to cheer for Vancouver, being from Canada, but almost everything they do makes me want them to lose. Ever since Torres being a tit in the Chicago series, I have not been able to cheer for them at all. And Thomas has been worth the price of admission, so I have to cheer for him. Not the Bruins (cuz they're in our division) but Thomas alone deserves the cup.

Go Timmy!

 

[Homercidal]

I'd love to root for Boston, and since my friend is from Boston area, that would make it even easier. But I KNOW his dad will never let me hear the end of it if they won. Seriously, he's a great guy, but he can be a real ****** when it comes to Boston sports over Michigan Sports. The Red Wings have always been my trump card (can't rely on the Lions or Tigers each year), and since they dropped out early again, he's going to get the snide remarks in I'm sure.

Oh well, I suspect Boston will be good for one more year after this.

The big question is what will happen to Luongo? He's not doing much in the finals. if the defense is not playing perfectly, he's trouble.

 

[Boleslaus]

I disagree with that. Things have changed. Players aren't afraid of goons. They just don't drop the gloves and the goon gets penalized. Being a Pens fan I watch teams have their way with our stars and its not like the pens don't have players that can hit and or punch.

I'm going to have to agree with James. The instigator rule has changed the way the game is refed. Either you just as severly punish people like Bergeron for going after Sedin, or you let someone come and beat the snot out of him. James is also right in that every other player would have stuck up for himself. I'm not saying sedin should have dropped the gloves with anyone obviously, but to just stand there and get hit 6 times?!

 

[emjay]

The big question is what will happen to Luongo? He's not doing much in the finals. if the defense is not playing perfectly, he's trouble.

He's got something like 11 years left on his contract.

 

[lurker18]

That is the problem with Bobby Lou. His contract is going to end up hurting the Canucks. No one is going to be willing to pick up a contract like that, especially when there is a question on what they are getting, and he is pretty much as good as he is going to get right now. Age catches up on everyone. When he is on his game he is good, for sure top 5 to the best goalie in hockey right now. But when he is off, he is WAAYYY off, and this season his off games were fewer than ever, but his bad games were horrible, and they really cost them in the playoffs. Not saying all the goals in the blowouts were his fault, but game 6 letting in the 2 softies back to back killed the team.

Hopefully he can get back into the games like he has done all year and shut out the B's and bring the cup back home.

 

[wildwest450]

Hopefully he can get back into the games like he has done all year and shut out the B's and bring the cup back home.

Do you guys even remember what it looks like? :rockin:



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[arturo7]

I just want OT.

 

[wildwest450]

I just want OT.

At least you're consistent.


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[emjay]

I don't think I could handle OT...

 

[arturo7]

At least you're consistent.

which is a nice way of saying redundant, thank you

 

[emjay]

Do you guys even remember what it looks like? :rockin:

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Of course, we are taught nothing but the glory of Lord Stanley's Cup as schoolchildren. Kind of like the Hitlerjugend, but more hockey, and less ratting out our parents for harboring Jews.

 

[emjay]

Thing is, all teams in the NHL are Canadian if you really think about it.

55% of NHL players are from Canada, while less than 25% are American. Somehow Canada manages that with 1/10th the population, but the lower population also means it's more difficult for Canadian cities to sufficiently support an NHL team.

 

[wildwest450]

Thing is, all teams in the NHL are Canadian if you really think about it.

55% of NHL players are from Canada, while less than 25% are American. Somehow Canada manages that with an ice rink in every town but the lower population also means it's more difficult for Canadian cities to sufficiently support an NHL team.

Man if I had ice to play on as a kid, i'd be typing this from either Boston or Vancouver right now.


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[rjwhite41]

Sedin risking injury by trying to fight back would be one of the dumbest things he could of done. He needs to be ready to go for game 7 not get in a fight at the end of a game 6 loss. I do agree that I can't imagine anyone else just sitting there and taking it though. From my perspective none of those punches looked all that hard either.

Luongo is one of the best goaltenders in hockey and has been for awhile, you just have to take the good with the bad.

Tonight's game should be interesting. You just don't know what you are going to get. If Van can grow a pair before the puck drops they should win this game, but I don't think they will. I picked Van in 5 before this started. We all know I was wrong there. Boston wants it more and Vancouver doesn't seem to have what it takes to stop them. Desire wins the Cup and I have a feeling Boston skates with it tonight. Granted that won't be what I'll be rooting for, but at the end of the day I don't like either one of these teams.

 

[RMitch]

Thing is, all teams in the NHL are Canadian if you really think about it.

55% of NHL players are from Canada, while less than 25% are American. Somehow Canada manages that with 1/10th the population, but the lower population also means it's more difficult for Canadian cities to sufficiently support an NHL team.

Hockey is a northern sport. You don't hear of very many beach volleyball teams coming out of North Dakota, now do ya? lol

Southern U.S. is mainly football. How they can watch that utterly boring college football rather than professional hockey is laughable. :cross:

 

[emjay]

Sedin risking injury by trying to fight back would be one of the dumbest things he could of done. He needs to be ready to go for game 7 not get in a fight at the end of a game 6 loss. I do agree that I can't imagine anyone else just sitting there and taking it though. From my perspective none of those punches looked all that hard either.

100% agreed. After all the criticism they take, they occasionally DO play tougher in order to prove their critics wrong (game 5, for instance, especially earlier on). And then Vigneault gives them ****, because that is not their role on the team, and the Sedins don't take up such a significant chunk of the team salary to be taking on the role of enforcers, or to foolishly risk missing games due to injury.

It's tough taking all that criticism from the public and not constantly bowing to that pressure. Occasionally they DO seem to reach the breaking point and start trying to play like tough guys, but they don't get paid a gigantic salary to do that, and their team really depends on them not going that route. I think it shows far more toughness that they are willing to just grin and bear it and rein in the impulse to fight back and the desire to prove the public wrong, for the sake of the team. You don't take repeated shots to the face like that (while standing around looking bored) without some kind of toughness.

He just made Marchand look petty, and to everybody on the ice as someone who has no respect for the unwritten rules of hockey. I obviously can't say for sure, but that kind of utter disrespect, not to mention targeting a calm and collected star player who clearly had no intention of fighting, might provoke a response from the Canucks tonight. Don't be surprised to see Marchand with a target on his head.

Marchand needs to take a few lessons from Seidenberg... THAT guy knows how to do all the dirty little tricks that help win games without getting penalties or being overtly disrespectful, the kind of underhanded but smart play that makes veteran players have far more to contribute to winning games, despite being well past their physical prime... and yet the guy is only 29. I think he's seriously underrated in his contribution to Boston's success so far, coming second only to Thomas (and even that is a close call).

 

[RMitch]

Sedin risking injury by trying to fight back would be one of the dumbest things he could of done. He needs to be ready to go for game 7 not get in a fight at the end of a game 6 loss. I do agree that I can't imagine anyone else just sitting there and taking it though. From my perspective none of those punches looked all that hard either.

Luongo is one of the best goaltenders in hockey and has been for awhile, you just have to take the good with the bad.

Tonight's game should be interesting. You just don't know what you are going to get. If Van can grow a pair before the puck drops they should win this game, but I don't think they will. I picked Van in 5 before this started. We all know I was wrong there. Boston wants it more and Vancouver doesn't seem to have what it takes to stop them. Desire wins the Cup and I have a feeling Boston skates with it tonight. Granted that won't be what I'll be rooting for, but at the end of the day I don't like either one of these teams.

So long as Vancouver actually tries to play hockey and move the puck rather than just trying to get hits on the other team (like an immature 12yr old playing a hockey video game) they may take it. But if not...Bruins will skate laps around them and game will be over by the start of the 2nd period.

I sincerely hope the refs make reasonable calls. I'll be pissed if I start seeing lopsided calls getting made, going either way. (But moreso if their directed against the Bruins. lmao)

 

[arturo7]

If the Sedins had any grit, Vancouver would win this game by 2-3 goals.

However, they do not. I predict an 3rd line winger claim Lord Stanley early in the 2nd OT.

 

[wildwest450]

Winger rules, she's only 17!!


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[Cape Brewing]

100% agreed. After all the criticism they take, they occasionally DO play tougher in order to prove their critics wrong (game 5, for instance, especially earlier on). And then Vigneault gives them ****, because that is not their role on the team, and the Sedins don't take up such a significant chunk of the team salary to be taking on the role of enforcers, or to foolishly risk missing games due to injury.

It's tough taking all that criticism from the public and not constantly bowing to that pressure. Occasionally they DO seem to reach the breaking point and start trying to play like tough guys, but they don't get paid a gigantic salary to do that, and their team really depends on them not going that route. I think it shows far more toughness that they are willing to just grin and bear it and rein in the impulse to fight back and the desire to prove the public wrong, for the sake of the team. You don't take repeated shots to the face like that (while standing around looking bored) without some kind of toughness.

He just made Marchand look petty, and to everybody on the ice as someone who has no respect for the unwritten rules of hockey. I obviously can't say for sure, but that kind of utter disrespect, not to mention targeting a calm and collected star player who clearly had no intention of fighting, might provoke a response from the Canucks tonight. Don't be surprised to see Marchand with a target on his head.

Marchand needs to take a few lessons from Seidenberg... THAT guy knows how to do all the dirty little tricks that help win games without getting penalties or being overtly disrespectful, the kind of underhanded but smart play that makes veteran players have far more to contribute to winning games, despite being well past their physical prime... and yet the guy is only 29. I think he's seriously underrated in his contribution to Boston's success so far, coming second only to Thomas (and even that is a close call).

LOL!!!!!! Holy $#%€. And I thought I was blind when it came to the Pats.... Wow!

 

[Boleslaus]

I wasn't suggesting that Sedin get into a fight. But Bergeron, a pretty frenchman, is punching him with gloves on. Either give him a shove, or make sure someone else is going to protect you. Sedin dropping the gloves would be stupid. But there can be a distinction between sticking up for yourself and trying to change the way you play the game of hockey.

 

[Bulls Beers]

I'm up for another slam on my views. I maintain that there is nothing more disruptive to enjoying the fastest most exciting game in sports then watching a staged fight or cheap hit. Game 7 is going to be epic. I hope this doesn't become a street brawl that the outcome will be decided by the ref's.

staged fight??

 

[paulthenurse]

Thing is, all teams in the NHL are Canadian if you really think about it.

55% of NHL players are from Canada, while less than 25% are American. Somehow Canada manages that with 1/10th the population, but the lower population also means it's more difficult for Canadian cities to sufficiently support an NHL team.

If you think about it, all Canadians are really American wannabes, they just won't admit it. I mean seriously, 85% of the Canadian populace lives within a tank of gas of the US border. Coincidence? I think not. You know they're up there just dying to get away from the moose the Molson, and the mosquitos. The only reason they stay is because of the poutine. Hell, half the f'ing country speaks French. Imagine the f'ing horror in that! How can you respect yourself as a country when your most important export is bacon without fat? Honestly? Bacon without fat? WTF?

Ya, Canadians invented hockey. Good for them. 99% of the entire country is covered in ice from September 1st through May 31. Of course they invented hockey. What else were they going to do with a bunch of bowlegged, French-speaking, toothless dudes? If you were born in a town called Moose Jaw what would you do? You would look around you and realize that the only f'ing way to get the f out of there and even be allowed into the land of milk and honey is to either get all your friends and neighbors to secede and the petition the US to become the 51st state OR skate like hell so you can make it to the NHL, get your teeth fixed and marry a girl who doesn't chew whale blubber as a between meal snack.


Just saying'.

PTN

 

[arturo7]

The sad fact is that there are cheap shot artists in the league. These guys will rape a star player whenever they think they can get away with it. The only thing that keeps these guys under control is the threat of getting the crap knocked out of them.

With the instigator rule in place, these players can hack away with relative impunity. Revoke the instigator penalty and the stick work and petty scrums end.

If there was no instigator penalty, Marchant likely would not have been punching on Sedin. After the first jab someone would have stepped in and made him drop his gloves.

Staged fight? Nope. Just the players policing themselves.

 

[passedpawn]

Went to Rays / Boston baseball game last night. Good night for Rays.

Going tonight also. Hate to miss the hockey game. I'm rooting for one Boston team, but heavily against the other. Very conflicted. Anyway, Go Bruins.

 

[Boleslaus]

The sad fact is that there are cheap shot artists in the league. These guys will rape a star player whenever they think they can get away with it. The only thing that keeps these guys under control is the threat of getting the crap knocked out of them.

With the instigator rule in place, these players can hack away with relative impunity. Revoke the instigator penalty and the stick work and petty scrums end.

If there was no instigator penalty, Marchant likely would not have been punching on Sedin. After the first jab someone would have stepped in and made him drop his gloves.

Staged fight? Nope. Just the players policing themselves.

Agree with this

 

[jpc]

Thing is, all teams in the NHL are Canadian if you really think about it.

55% of NHL players are from Canada, while less than 25% are American. Somehow Canada manages that with 1/10th the population, but the lower population also means it's more difficult for Canadian cities to sufficiently support an NHL team.

Is this something taught to Canadians on the first day of school? I've lived in many places, and been to hockey games in many locations. Inevitably, when a Canadian team would come in and get beaten by the local team, some of the local fans would rib the Canadian team's fans. Their canned reply is, "yeah, well more than half your team is Canadian". Like it fvcking matters.

Inferiority complex much?