ECY on love2brew.com right now!

[psubrewer]

SAlsa a1w 1pe

 

[BUCKNUTS]

The difference is that wyeast<>ECY.

Wyeast<<<<<<<ECY

So what if it's cheaper for a pack of roeselare. Apples and oranges.

All that said, I hate paying for new yeast, period. I will harvest from bottles, cakes, etc and only buy when I really have to. But when I do, I'll pay a little premium for some of these because I know they're going to yield good results.

I've made a few very good sours with the Roeselare Blend. Personal preference I guess but no yeast is worth nearly $30 for a small vial imo.

 

[tagz]

I've made a few very good sours with the Roeselare Blend. Personal preference I guess but no yeast is worth nearly $30 for a small vial imo.

Unless it has a bottle of Cantillion on top!

 

[nicolas_james]

Bug County and Dirty Dozen $32 shipped to me. For the size of the pitch, I don't consider it a big deal.

 

[BUCKNUTS]

Unless it has a bottle of Cantillion on top!

Now that I'll do.

 

[haberlet]

Absolutely, I do. I don't get why people frett so much over a few bucks in shipping expense. Assuming most people are planning on getting 5 gal of beer out of it, so let's say 2 cases of 12 oz'ers. I paid $15.23 in shipping for one vial. That's $0.32/bottle. That is sooo worth it compared to the price of commercial examples of sour or wild beers. Don't we all fork out this same amount for 4 pack, or a 750ml bottle, or a bomber every now and again? Or drop way more than this to belly up at a bar for a few pints?

:end rant:

I completely understand this premise for most people. However, many including me live on a limited budget. I homebrew to make high quality beer accessible to me. I'm not able to go out and buy a couple bottles of Cantillon on a college budget, so I brew sours myself.

While I'm sure BugCountry is excellent and top of the line, I'm able to brew quality sours with my own cultures. I'd love to have it, but don't NEED it.

That's why I find $26 yeast a tad outrageous. You absolutely can reuse cakes and I do all the time but I still struggle with the reality and premise of the number. If you can afford it and have no qualms about it, all the better for you!

Just my perspective,

-T

 

[rossi46]

The shipping should not cost more than the product. Usps flat rate box is $5.80, that I would do.

 

[dcHokie]

Maybe a discussion on relative perceived value could be its own thread....just sayin'

 

[masonsjax]

They really should just go ahead and change the name officially to bug country. That's what everyone calls it anyway

 

[Biobrewer]

They really should just go ahead and change the name officially to bug country. That's what everyone calls it anyway

Lol. I can relate! Every post I see regarding The Yeast Bay Funktown Pale Ale refers to it as Funkytown Pale Ale. I've considered changing it...

 

[sweetcell]

Usps flat rate box is $5.80, that I would do.

USPS is an option. i've never paid more in shipping that i have for the vials, thanks to the USPS option. maybe they should make that option more visible... but they're not fans of USPS.

 

[masonsjax]

Lol. I can relate! Every post I see regarding The Yeast Bay Funktown Pale Ale refers to it as Funkytown Pale Ale. I've considered changing it...

Actually I've used funktown quite a bit and every time I see the name I end up humming Billy Joel for a couple of days. I think you should change it to "funktown girl"

 

[finsfan]

but they're not fans of USPS.

I believe this is due to the size of the box they have to use to send it that cheaply. They claim it is not large enough to properly package it and have stated many customers complain that the vials therefore leak due to the rough treatment. I've shipped both ways and have had good luck though.

 

[IslandLizard]

USPS is an option. i've never paid more in shipping that i have for the vials, thanks to the USPS option. maybe they should make that option more visible... but they're not fans of USPS.

I believe this is due to the size of the box they have to use to send it that cheaply. They claim it is not large enough to properly package it and have stated many customers complain that the vials therefore leak due to the rough treatment. I've shipped both ways and have had good luck though.

The USPS option is a bit hidden, and you may have to reselect it at the final checkout page if you did a refresh on it, but it is worth the price difference vs. UPS.
USPS is also standard 2-day Priority mail, which I believe is faster than the UPS option if you're more than a state away.

My last shipment came through UPS and the ECY11 (Belgian White) bottle had leaked out a little. Not a big amount or hard to clean up, as they are all resealed inside thick plastic ziplock bags. Yeast was fine, and there is a huge amount of it (400B).

 

[IslandLizard]

Has anyone gotten an update on their order being shipped, or received their yeast yet?

My order is still on their site showing status: "Processing" since the day I placed the order, 12/17. I did get confirmation of the order placed, nothing since. Mail yesterday did not include a box (with yeast), I looked everywhere.

 

[Biobrewer]

The USPS option is a bit hidden, and you may have to reselect it at the final checkout page if you did a refresh on it, but it is worth the price difference vs. UPS.

USPS is also standard 2-day Priority mail, which I believe is faster than the UPS option if you're more than a state away.



My last shipment came through UPS and the ECY11 (Belgian White) bottle had leaked out a little. Not a big amount or hard to clean up, as they are all resealed inside thick plastic ziplock bags. Yeast was fine, and there is a huge amount of it (400B).

I exclusively use USPS for The Yeast Bay shipments. The tracking info isn't as good as UPS, but the shipping in almost all cases is WAY faster than UPS Ground. Plus, with UPS Ground, the package spends a majority of time in a non-climate controlled truck as opposed to USPS Priority which goes almost the entire way to your local sorting facility via air, which is why I think I see a fair number of people saying their UPS shipped ECY bottle leaked. Plus the bottles used are cheaper knockoffs of the Nalgene bottles which do not seal very well. Happened to me twice in the years before I stopped buying yeast.

 

[BGBC]

in the years before I stopped buying yeast.

Nice perk of the job

 

[IslandLizard]

I exclusively use USPS for The Yeast Bay shipments. The tracking info isn't as good as UPS, but the shipping in almost all cases is WAY faster than UPS Ground. Plus, with UPS Ground, the package spends a majority of time in a non-climate controlled truck as opposed to USPS Priority which goes almost the entire way to your local sorting facility via air, which is why I think I see a fair number of people saying their UPS shipped ECY bottle leaked. Plus the bottles used are cheaper knockoffs of the Nalgene bottles which do not seal very well. Happened to me twice in the years before I stopped buying yeast.

Glad to hear you endorse USPS to ship your yeast. L2B doesn't. They even vow advice against it. Their default method has UPS preselected, and it's hard to find the hidden alternative at less than half the cost.

In Red.
Not sure I follow you there. Why is a UPS shipment more inclined to leak than through USPS?

I'm all for low shipping as long as handling is at least equal or better, and even more so if it's faster if time is an important factor. I agree USPS has the better deal, 2-day priority for $6.70. I haven't had any problems with them, but I don't ship or receive 100s-1000s of bottles of yeast on a daily basis. Your logistical insights for those articles are better.

 

[Biobrewer]

Glad to hear you endorse USPS to ship your yeast. L2B doesn't. They even vow advice against it. Their default method has UPS preselected, and it's hard to find the hidden alternative at less than half the cost.



In Red.

Not sure I follow you there. Why is a UPS shipment more inclined to leak than through USPS?



I'm all for low shipping as long as handling is at least equal or better, and even more so if it's faster if time is an important factor. I agree USPS has the better deal, 2-day priority for $6.70. I haven't had any problems with them, but I don't ship or receive 100s-1000s of bottles of yeast on a daily basis. Your logistical insights for those articles are better.

If it's summer and your yeast is sitting in a truck boiling in the sun for 4 days as it goes across the country, it will likely get to a temperature of over 100 F for an extended period of time four days in a row, and will leak terribly from the yeast becoming very active and the pressure build up. Like I said, USPS priority tracking isn't as good as UPS, but it is ultimately waaaay faster and will spend more time on a plane as opposed to a truck, where freezing and very hot temperatures are common in extreme weather.

 

[IslandLizard]

If it's summer and your yeast is sitting in a truck boiling in the sun for 4 days as it goes across the country, it will likely get to a temperature of over 100 F for an extended period of time four days in a row, and will leak terribly from the yeast becoming very active and the pressure build up. Like I said, USPS priority tracking isn't as good as UPS, but it is ultimately waaaay faster and will spend more time on a plane as opposed to a truck, where freezing and very hot temperatures are common in extreme weather.

Ah, thanks! Agreed, shipping yeast during extreme weather/seasons is never ideal, but if one must, the faster and less exposed to prevailing ambient temps the better, and count on the buffering factor of the entire cargo.

L2B claims they have more problems with leaking when sent through USPS than UPS, so I was wondering why you're experiencing the exact opposite to be true. Perhaps they have a contract with UPS.

I'll post back when I receive my 4 bottles through USPS and how Bretted the box is.

FYI, I've been checking your yeast and bug offerings too.

 

[Gentlemans_Ale]

I keep missing this by a day. Anyone wanna sell me some bug farm?

 

[nicolas_james]

Has anyone gotten an update on their order being shipped, or received their yeast yet?

My order is still on their site showing status: "Processing" since the day I placed the order, 12/17. I did get confirmation of the order placed, nothing since. Mail yesterday did not include a box (with yeast), I looked everywhere.

My account was charged and I got a tracking number late Friday.

 

[Biobrewer]

Ah, thanks! Agreed, shipping yeast during extreme weather/seasons is never ideal, but if one must, the faster and less exposed to prevailing ambient temps the better, and count on the buffering factor of the entire cargo.

L2B claims they have more problems with leaking when sent through USPS than UPS, so I was wondering why you're experiencing the exact opposite to be true. Perhaps they have a contract with UPS.

I'll post back when I receive my 4 bottles through USPS and how Bretted the box is.

FYI, I've been checking your yeast and bug offerings too.

It could also have more to do with the cheaper Nalgene rip off bottles used. I guarantee you with even a little pressure build up, those bottles will leak. Nalgene bottles are super high quality and waaaay more durable and leak-proof from my experience with them, both with yeast and in over 10 years of lab work in which I use Nalgene media bottles extensively. They also cost a significant amount more though. Not sure how much Al pays for the cheaper non-Nalgene bottles, but even in bulk, the 125 mL Nalgene bottles are over $2/bottle.

 

[geoffey]

I've ordered ECY 2-3 times from L2B. Only had slightly leaky bottles once. It's really a must to get their 2 day air UPS shipping I think.
That being said, I've ordered TYB many times and never had any issues with shipping or leaky containers from them.

 

[IslandLizard]

I've ordered ECY 2-3 times from L2B. Only had slightly leaky bottles once. It's really a must to get their 2 day air UPS shipping I think.
That being said, I've ordered TYB many times and never had any issues with shipping or leaky containers from them.

Why would 2-day UPS air be any different from 2-day priority via USPS? Except the latter is less than 1/3 of the price UPS demands.

 

[geoffey]

Why would 2-day UPS air be any different from 2-day priority via USPS? Except the latter is less than 1/3 of the price UPS demands.

Because USPS doesn't offer any guarantee of 2nd day delivery. So your yeast is very likely to arrive late and go though less than ideal conditions on the way.

 

[IslandLizard]

It could also have more to do with the cheaper Nalgene rip off bottles used. I guarantee you with even a little pressure build up, those bottles will leak. Nalgene bottles are super high quality and waaaay more durable and leak-proof from my experience with them, both with yeast and in over 10 years of lab work in which I use Nalgene media bottles extensively. They also cost a significant amount more though. Not sure how much Al pays for the cheaper non-Nalgene bottles, but even in bulk, the 125 mL Nalgene bottles are over $2/bottle.

I'm not sure if and how inferior Al's bottles are, they seem to be adequate and are certainly cute. The seal mostly depends on the rim's evenness and how it mates with the lid. The bottle that leaked during my previous shipment was simply not screwed down tightly enough.

Nalgene is premium priced, and that doesn't help the bottom line. Do you ship your yeasts in Nalgene vials?

 

[bovineblitz]

I've ordered 3x through USPS to NY, never had an issue.

 

[Biobrewer]

I'm not sure if and how inferior Al's bottles are, they seem to be adequate and are certainly cute. The seal mostly depends on the rim's evenness and how it mates with the lid. The bottle that leaked during my previous shipment was simply not screwed down tightly enough.

Nalgene is premium priced, and that doesn't help the bottom line. Do you ship your yeasts in Nalgene vials?

The Yeast Bay vials are the same as White labs vials, and soon to be the new White Labs Pure Pitch packaging. The soda blanks they use are great. They are super economical, and are clearly meant to seal well even under pressure, given their intended content once extruded is carbonated beverage.

Because USPS doesn't offer any guarantee of 2nd day delivery. So your yeast is very likely to arrive late and go though less than ideal conditions on the way.

Correct, USPS does not guarantee 2nd day delivery, which is why I hate the fact they call it "Priority 2-day". I would disagree though that that means the yeast is subject to "less than ideal conditions on the way". It will take longer that UPS 2 day in most cases, but it is largely spending time on a plane or in a sorting facility, the former being a short trip and the latter being a climate controlled facility where the temperature is typically a comfortable room temperature. Yeast is more than stable at room temperature for a few days with no noticeable adverse effects on performance.

We've done a number of studies with our Brett and Sacch strains in which we kept vials from a single lot at 2-8 C, while others from the same lot were packed up as they would be for shipment, mailed out and returned which totaled 5-7 days in shipment (worst case scenario for shipment time). Ran side by side fermentations with cold vs. shipped vials with no significant difference in fermentation time or flavor profile.

 

[masonsjax]

The one ECY bottle that leaked for me was overfilled. I opened it and it was going everywhere and seemed to be under a little pressure. Must have had some activity going on in there, but had to have been filled to the rim.