Drinking my first all grain batch

[carl spakler]

Not the best. The "most versatile"

Oh? Can you AG brew in under 2 hours like a steep + extract?

 

[frogfree]

* Main Entry: ver·sa·tile
* Pronunciation: \ˈvər-sə-təl, especially British -ˌtī(-&#601l\
* Function: adjective
* Etymology: French or Latin; French, from Latin versatilis turning easily, from versare to turn, frequentative of vertere
* Date: 1605

1 : changing or fluctuating readily : variable <a versatile disposition>
2 : embracing a variety of subjects, fields, or skills; also : turning with ease from one thing to another
3 a (1) : capable of turning forward or backward : reversible <a versatile toe of a bird> (2) : capable of moving laterally and up and down <versatile antennae> b of an anther : having the filaments attached at or near the middle so as to swing freely
4 : having many uses or applications <versatile building material>

 

[carl spakler]

* Main Entry: ver·sa·tile
* Pronunciation: \&#712;v&#601;r-s&#601;-t&#601;l, especially British -&#716;t&#299;(-&#601l\
* Function: adjective
* Etymology: French or Latin; French, from Latin versatilis turning easily, from versare to turn, frequentative of vertere
* Date: 1605

1 : changing or fluctuating readily : variable <a versatile disposition>
2 : embracing a variety of subjects, fields, or skills; also : turning with ease from one thing to another
3 a (1) : capable of turning forward or backward : reversible <a versatile toe of a bird> (2) : capable of moving laterally and up and down <versatile antennae> b of an anther : having the filaments attached at or near the middle so as to swing freely
4 : having many uses or applications <versatile building material>

If time is the biggest constraint then AG is not very versatile. Thank you for helping illustrate my point.

 

[DeathBrewer]

What does versatility have to do with time?

 

[bernerbrau]

If time is the biggest constraint then AG is not very versatile. Thank you for helping illustrate my point.

If time is a constraint AG may not doable at all. But regardless of whether you can do an AG brew in 4 hours or 12 hours, it doesn't change what you can brew with it.

Time does not affect the versatility of AG at all.

 

[DeathBrewer]

I sometimes spend 7 hours on partial mash batches because I'm taking my time and I have a slow run-off from the grains I use, particularly with rye (something you cannot use when steeping.)

I can do a 5 gallon all-grain batch in under 4 hours if I'm on top of my game.

 

[carl spakler]

If time is a constraint AG may not doable at all. But regardless of whether you can do an AG brew in 4 hours or 12 hours, it doesn't change what you can brew with it.

Time does not affect the versatility of AG at all.

In your definition of versatile. To me being able to brew in less time if you choose is a component of versatility. If you simply can't brew AG in under ~2.5 hours it isn't very versatile is it?


There simply is no best brewing process. End of story. They ALL have trade offs.

 

[bernerbrau]

In your definition of versatile. To me being able to brew in less time if you choose is a component of versatility. If you simply can't brew AG in under ~2.5 hours it isn't very versatile is it?

Because my definition of versatile is the real one and doesn't include the time something takes. Time can be a tradeoff for versatility but it is not a factor in determining versatility.

It's like you're arguing that the variety of beers you can produce with AG is less than with extract, because AG takes longer. This is simply not true.

There simply is no best brewing process. End of story. They ALL have trade offs.

Hey man, nobody is arguing that. You're arguing that AG is less versatile because it takes longer.

 

[DeathBrewer]

Huh...I'd like to see what you definition of versatility is...seeing as all of the definitions above have nothing to do with time.

I can make a partial mash batch in 2.5 hours...does that count? I'm still using grains I otherwise couldn't steep, so I have more versatility in what I can make.

 

[wildwest450]

Huh...I'd like to see what you definition of versatility is...

My guess is that something is not versatile if it takes one second over 2.5 hours.

And for the record my all-grain brews stomp the piss out of my extract batches, and their way cheaper.

 

[IrregularPulse]

Extract sucks, you are not nearly Elite enough if you are not brewing AG!




I have an extract batch fermenting right now beside my AG Rauchbier .
They both have their time and place. Like BMC, It's not my choice, but it has it's place.

 

[beerkrump]

Versatile=

+

 

[DeathBrewer]

My brewery is very versatile. I can brew an extract batch while I do an all-grain batch all while doing a decoction mash and a cereal mash on seperate burners. I have 4 different cooling methods, 4 different types of fermenters, various size kettles with or without fittings, and three spaces for fermenting at different temperatures. 2 different mash paddles, two cleaning areas, reusable water, etc.

 

[bernerbrau]

My brewery is very versatile. I can brew an extract batch while I do an all-grain batch all while doing a decoction mash and a cereal mash on seperate burners. I have 4 different cooling methods, 4 different types of fermenters, various size kettles with or without fittings, and three spaces for fermenting

Have I mentioned I hate you?

 

[DeathBrewer]

Check the edit...I elaborated so you could hate me even more

 

[IrregularPulse]

My brewery is very versatile. I can brew an extract batch while I do an all-grain batch all while doing a decoction mash and a cereal mash on seperate burners. I have 4 different cooling methods, 4 different types of fermenters, various size kettles with or without fittings, and three spaces for fermenting at different temperatures

Seriously!! I can't even begin m boil until are sparges are added because my HLT is also my BK!

 

[DeathBrewer]

I think I have 8 propane tanks at the moment. Expensive hobby.

 

[Whut]

I think I have 8 propane tanks at the moment. Expensive hobby.

The obligatory you suck!

 

[carl spakler]

Because my definition of versatile is the real one and doesn't include the time something takes. Time can be a tradeoff for versatility but it is not a factor in determining versatility.

It's like you're arguing that the variety of beers you can produce with AG is less than with extract, because AG takes longer. This is simply not true.


Hey man, nobody is arguing that. You're arguing that AG is less versatile because it takes longer.

Wow, i didn't know you were elected the grand decider of all things. To think you grace us with your knowledge...wow.

I am not arguing that the variety is less with AG, versatility has a host of interpretations. If you could come down of your high horse you might see that.

 

[bernerbrau]

Wow, i didn't know you were elected the grand decider of all things. To think you grace us with your knowledge...wow.

I am not arguing that the variety is less with AG, versatility has a host of interpretations. If you could come down of your high horse you might see that.

By your reasoning, I could redefine toaster to mean cockroach, and if you objected I'd accuse you of being closed-minded to alternate interpretations. In the 28 years I've been alive I've never heard versatile being used to mean anything other than something related to the ability to do lots of different things, and the dictionary says the same thing. Versatile has never meant "generally good", and if you believe it does, you are mistaken.

Besides, if you examine the context of the post you decided to attack, DB most definitely used "more versatile" to mean "capable of producing a wider variety", not "generally better".

 

[DeathBrewer]

I have yet to see a single interpretation that has anything to do with time:

&#8226;having great diversity or variety; "his various achievements are impressive"; "his vast and versatile erudition"
&#8226;changeable or inconstant; "versatile moods"
&#8226;competent in many areas and able to turn with ease from one thing to another; "a versatile writer"
&#8226;able to move freely in all directions; "an owl's versatile toe can move backward and forward"; "an insect's versatile antennae can move up and down or laterally"; "a versatile anther of a flower moves freely in the wind"
&#8226;capable of doing many things competently; having varied uses or many functions; changeable or inconstant; capable of moving freely in all directions
&#8226;versatility - having a wide variety of skills
&#8226;versatility - The property of being versatile or having many different abilities; flexibility
&#8226;To have many different uses.


Here are some urban dictionary definitions:

A gay/bi term that means a guy is comfortable being either the pitcher or the catcher during anal sex. Some versitile guys have a preference for one over the other, but will do whichever depending on their current partner. Others have no real preference between the two and alternate to keep their sex life more interesting.


1. In gay terminology, top to bottom. Pitcher and Catcher.
2. with many uses: able or meant to be used in many different ways
3. moving easily between tasks: able to move easily from one subject, task, or skill to another
4. changeable: subject to rapid or unpredictable change
5. zoology free-moving: describes a body part or joint that can turn or move freely in more than one direction, e.g. an insect's antenna
6. botany attached loosely: describes an anther that is attached to the filament by a small area, allowing it to move more freely

So it does have "other" meanings

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

I think I have 8 propane tanks at the moment. Expensive hobby.

I dunno.. that doesn't seem all that...versatile.

(I crack me up, I really do. )

Wow, i didn't know you were elected the grand decider of all things. To think you grace us with your knowledge...wow.

I am not arguing that the variety is less with AG, versatility has a host of interpretations. If you could come down of your high horse you might see that.

Come on now. Death doesn't ride a High Horse. He rides a Dead Horse..with flames and such. Speaking of Dead Horses....

 

[carl spakler]

By your reasoning, I could redefine toaster to mean cockroach, and if you objected I'd accuse you of being closed-minded to alternate interpretations. In the 28 years I've been alive I've never heard versatile being used to mean anything other than something related to the ability to do lots of different things, and the dictionary says the same thing. Versatile has never meant "generally good", and if you believe it does, you are mistaken.

Besides, if you examine the context of the post you decided to attack, DB most definitely used "more versatile" to mean "capable of producing a wider variety", not "generally better".

I you lived in a bunker (as your attitude suggests) for 28 years it really doesn't mean much.

I'm glad opinions are welcome here.

 

[bernerbrau]

I you lived in a bunker (as your attitude suggests) for 28 years it really doesn't mean much.

I'm glad opinions are welcome here.

OK smarty pants. What do you believe "versatile" to mean, such that taking too much time negates this meaning? Give me one source that uses it this way, or one dictionary that gives this alternate definition.

This is not an issue of openmindedness, it's an issue of you're using a meaning of the word that doesn't exist in order to contradict someone.

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

OK. Everyone take 2 deep breaths. While the banana dances.


Oh God, did I actually post a banana? I hate dancing banana's.


I believe "versatile" in relation to time applies when a certain system etc can be used to save time as in "my leaf blower has more than one speed setting resulting in the saving of time it takes to blow leafs off a lawn". But time is not a requirement of something being versatile.

Usually it is in regard to multi-use, multi-function or variety.

my 2cents. (Where's Shecky when you need him? )

 

[bernerbrau]

But time is not a requirement of something being versatile.

You're a closed-minded hypocrite opposed to new ideas and opinions for thinking that way. Apparently.

 

[shecky]

(Where's Shecky when you need him? )

Staying far, far away from this. I'm not versatile enough to provide anything worthwhile.

 

[bernerbrau]

I you lived in a bunker (as your attitude suggests) for 28 years it really doesn't mean much.

For the record I've lived in Illinois, New York, California, New Mexico and Tennessee. I've been from Hawaii to Alaska to Canada to Mexico to Wales and never once read a dictionary that specified, or heard someone say "versatile" with the usage that you claim to be correct.

 

[DeathBrewer]

I dunno.. that doesn't seem all that...versatile.

(I crack me up, I really do. )

I was thinking of getting natural gas. Or I could throw your body in the pit and light you on fire, do some cauldron brewing

Come on now. Death doesn't ride a High Horse. He rides a Dead Horse..with flames and such. Speaking of Dead Horses....

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

Staying far, far away from this. I'm not versatile enough to provide anything worthwhile.

Are you saying you don't have the time?

Or you are you not capable of or adapted for turning easily from one to another of various tasks, capable of many uses, or variable or changeable?