Don Imus

[Toilet Rocker]

There was a nappy headed ho in the room next to mine last night gettin her skeez on, kept me up for while... awoke tired today.

I think you need to be banned from this board now.

 

[John Beere]

And so it ends... CBS fired him:

rediculous but true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/12/national/main2675273.shtml

**EDIT** looking at the photos in that link... how friggin old is that guy? Looks akin to the crypt keeper... heh

 

[david_42]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't even know who he is. I suspect not having a working TV for 30 years has something to do with it.

 

[BarleyWater]

Freedom of speech wasn't the issue here, it's money. Bottom line is that NBC and CBS don't want the bad rep for letting a sleeze keep his job, and they aren't getting anything if they do.

There is no way that advertisers were going to be picking his show for there spots, so he wasn't going to be making any money for the company. Forget about what he said, that's not the issue. Proctor and Gamble's ad agency, for example, don't want to associate with someone that has a bad rep, so they aren't going to spend money for him, his show, or even his time slot to endorse them. No revenue from ads, no reason to keep the show on air.

 

[Ize]

Working in the industry, I'm guessing Imus knew this was probably a career killer as soon as either;

A. He said it.

or

B. His show was done that day and the calls started coming in.

No one survives in this biz as long as he has without knowing what the hell they are saying and what they aren't. He got caught up in the moment and I'm willing to bet he almost forgot he was on the air. Major f-up on his part.

It's immaterial tho, he's gone. It was a patently stupid thing to say. And in the end, unless satellite picks him up, it's pretty much over for him. He'll take his millions and retire.

What else is patently stupid is the reaction and outcry to this. It was a freaking stupid mistake. But as has been stated over and over again, there is far worse being churned out in the music industry these days, and it doesn't only apply to rap. Rap is only being held up as an example because of what he said. There's plenty of race-baiting Metal out there as well.

Do I want any of it censored? Hell no. It lets me know where you stand, and helps me keep an eye on you.


My .02

Ize

 

[Radarbrew]

I caught his show once and watched it until I realized I was watching a geriatric on t.v. doing a radio talk show! Maybe I could just go watch paint dry.
Stupid mistake, He deserved to be reprimanded, not fired. No, I don't listen to rap, and I could give a c+_p what some overpaid "political reverend" has to say about it. He should be holding a church service somewhere. Don't he do that anymore?
I'm gonna get a beer.

 

[Flyin' Lion]

My biggest issue with this is how Sharpton, Jackson have basically NOT accepted his apology. These are supposed religious types so where is the forgiveness. The entire Rutgers team is being applauded for how they have handled the situation, but they have yet to accept and forgive his stupid mistake after he has apologized-what are they being appluaded for?

I'd respect Sharpton and Jackson more if they preached forgiveness instead of inciting all of these conflicts.

 

[Ryanh1801]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't even know who he is. I suspect not having a working TV for 30 years has something to do with it.

WOW, 30 years, thats rough. I don't know what i would do with out fox news.

 

[Toilet Rocker]

Freedom of speech wasn't the issue here, it's money. Bottom line is that NBC and CBS don't want the bad rep for letting a sleeze keep his job, and they aren't getting anything if they do.

There is no way that advertisers were going to be picking his show for there spots, so he wasn't going to be making any money for the company. Forget about what he said, that's not the issue. Proctor and Gamble's ad agency, for example, don't want to associate with someone that has a bad rep, so they aren't going to spend money for him, his show, or even his time slot to endorse them. No revenue from ads, no reason to keep the show on air.

Of course dollars was the issue, but the casualty here is speech. The cost of that freedom far outweighs the right to speak freely. The almighty dollar...

 

[olllllo]

Wait just a minute here.
There is no free speech issue. There is no Constitutional right to nationwide radio affiliates and an unfettered basic cable medium at your disposal.

He can continue to say assinine things. He's in no way restricted. He has access to all of the public places to express his opinion just like you and I.

Here is the issue. Imus has it both ways for too long. He has had access to A-list political guests, pundits and media figures not unlike Jon Stewert. He also chooses to dealve into low brow Howard Stern-like humor. This is not a combination that is sustainable with advertisers.

If you're going to do Stern material that's fine, there are outlets for him to do this in. But you can't expect to continue on a News cable channel without some repercussion. By way of example, you won't see Opie and Anthony doing spots on the McNeil News hour.

 

[homebrewer_99]

Maybe Imus would still have his job if he had quoted a great American (NOT):

[Intro: George Clinton]

The blind stares
of a million pairs of eyes
lookin' hard but won't realize
that they will never see
the P

(You must be goin' blind)

[Verse One: 2Pac]

give me my money in stacks
and lace my ******* with 9 figures
real ****** fingers on nickle plated 9 triggas
Must see my enemies defeated
i'm cashin'
while they coughed up and weeded
open fire
now them ****** bleedin'
see me in flesh
and test
and get your chest blown
straight out tha west, don't get blown
my adversaries cry like ho's
open and shut like doors
is you a friend or foe ?
***** you ain't know ?
they got me stressed out on Death Row
i've seen money
but baby I got to gets mo'
you scream and go
'2Pac'
and I ain't stopin'
till i'm well paid
bails paid
now *****, look what hell made
visions of cops and sirens
****** open fire
buncha Thug Life ****** on tha rise
until I die
ask me why i'm a Boss Playa gettin' high
and when i'm rollin' by
****** Can't C Me

[Chorus: George Clinton]

The stares of a million pairs of eyes
and you'll never realize
You can't C Me..

[Verse Two: 2Pac]

Been getten worried that these square mutha*uckers with nerves
sayin they can get with us
but picture me gettin' served
My own mama say i'm thuged out
my *hit be bumpin out tha record store
as if it was a drug house
my lyrics bang like a Crip or Blood
***** what ?
It ain't nothin but a party when we thug
and there I was
a young ***** with heart
ain't had *hit to loose
pullin' my pistol on them fools
you know the rules
D-R-E you got me heated
my words like a penatentary dick
hittin' ******* where it's most needed
money and weed
Alazay and Hennesse
To my Thug ****** in lock down
witness me
bail on these ho's in floss mode
tha life of a Boss Playa
*uck what ya thought tho'
my enemies deceased
die like a bitch
when my album hit tha streetz
****** Can't C Me

****** Can't C Me

[Chorus: George Clinton]

Which way did he go George
Which way did he go
Which way did he go
Which way did he go

[Verse Three: 2Pac]

You ****** made a mistake
you shoulda never put my rhymes with Dre
them Thug ****** have arrived and it's Judgement Day
Hey Homie if ya feel me
Tell them tricks that shot me
that they missed
they ain't killed me
I can make a mutha*ucker shake
rattle and roll
i'm full of liquor
thug *****
quick to jab at them ho's
and I can make ya jelous ****** famous
*uck around with 2Pac and see how good a ****** aim is
i'm just a rich mutha*ucker from tha way
If this rappin' bring me money
then i'm rappin' till i'm paid
i'm getten green like i'm supposed to
*****, I holla at these ho's
and see how many I can go through
Look to the star
and visualize my debut
****** know me, playa
I gotta stay true
don't be a dumb mutha*ucker
because it's crazy after dark
where the true Thug ****** see ya heart
****** Can't C Me....

[Outro: 2Pac, George Clinton]

(Yo, check this out, stay off his dick)

****** Can't C Me
(Right before your eyes, i'll disappear from here) You ****** Can't C Me, hahah
(You Can't C Me) I know it's hard *****, i'm all up in your face
But you still Can't C Me
(You Can't C Me) All up in your range, but ****** Can't C Me
(20/20 vision won't visualize) I'm in tha flesh baby, but you Can't C Me
(All tho' glasses won't help you realize) You blinded
You blinded
You Can't C Me
(You Can't C Me)
Thug Life baby
Don't believe everything you read
Alazay and weed (You Can't C Me)
(Right before your very eyes, You won't even visualize)
(You Can't C Me)
Dr. Dre all day, 2Pac
****** can't C Me, hahaha
I dedicate this, to you PUNK Mutha*uckers hahaha
this ones for you big baby hahah
cause you bitch ass ****** Can't C Me
****** Can't C Me
(ooooww)
(ooooww)
(You Can't C Me)
(See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil)
(You won't C Me)
(First C Me, Now ya don't)
(Wanna C Me, but ya won't)
(Come to C Me, but ya Can't)
(ooohhh, You Can't C Me)
(You Can't C Me)
(Right between your eyes, you'll never realize)
(Right before your eyes, you won't even realize)
(Visualize what you Can't C)



Man, that's pure poetry...

 

[Evets]

pffffffffffffffffbbbbbbbbbbbt!!!

 

[cha ngo]

40+ posts about Imus and not one about Kurt Vonnegut.


So it goes . . .

 

[Ize]

40+ posts about Imus and not one about Kurt Vonnegut.


So it goes . . .

True.

:rockin:

Ize

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

so will he be on sirius or xm now? lol

 

[homebrewer_99]

I met Kurt Vonnegut's grandson back in the early 90s. He was a CPT in the Army here at Rock Island...Slaughterhouse 5 is a great movie...

 

[Desert_Sky]

my rant of the morning....

first off, we've all had a slip of the tongue at least once in our life before. We've spoken without thinking, and had it come back to bite us in the ass.

Now Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson........notice how I purposely left out the Reverend part. Men of the lord eh? Well doesnt the lord preach forgivness, compassion, and love? See where Im going with that?

Anyways, . You can now strongarm advertising agencies to withdraw their money in order to keep themselves out of it. If a certain ad agency didnt withdraw from Imus's show, well then they would be then considered a racist company for somehow supporting the nappy headed ho comment. So now a small group of people can now have you removed from your job of almost 40 years for one stupid comment. Freedom of speech? I say not. Is being fired for that justifiable? Wouldn't a unpaid leave or some other punishment be acceptable?


This is blowing up into so much more than a stupid nappy head comment. This is now a much, much bigger issue.

NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING

i shall now go get some coffee, and try and reread what I just wrote to see if it makes any sense

 

[homebrewer_99]

my rant of the morning....

first off, we've all had a slip of the tongue at least once in our life before. We've spoken without thinking, and had it come back to bite us in the ass.

Now Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson........notice how I purposely left out the Reverend part. Men of the lord eh? Well doesnt the lord preach forgivness, compassion, and love? See where Im going with that?

Anyways, . You can now strongarm advertising agencies to withdraw their money in order to keep themselves out of it. If a certain ad agency didnt withdraw from Imus's show, well then they would be then considered a racist company for somehow supporting the nappy headed ho comment. So now a small group of people can now have you removed from your job of almost 40 years for one stupid comment. Freedom of speech? I say not. Is being fired for that justifiable? Wouldn't a unpaid leave or some other punishment be acceptable?


This is blowing up into so much more than a stupid nappy head comment. This is now a much, much bigger issue.

NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING

i shall now go get some coffee, and try and reread what I just wrote to see if it makes any sense

I know how you feel. It's almost like, well, if you fire me then I have nothing to apologize for.

Now that he's off the air it may be time to really speak his mind and use any word that's printed in the dictionary.

That's one of my peeves concerning ignorance and a general lack of education. If it's in the dictionary why is it wrong to say the word aloud? Any word??

If anyone ever called me a nappy-headed ho, I would just laugh and shrug it off...of course, IF I were a nappy-headed ho then I'd have a reason to get PO'd. Same goes for someone calling me gay or white (or any other word). If it's not true then why get PO'd? I think looking them in the eye and laughing at their comment is a better way to counter thier insult. But, that's just me.

I had lots of black friends in school (70% black, 20% Puerto Rican...10% Other White meat). I was called the N word more often than I was called "whitey". I just laughed it off. Most people say "it's not the word, but how it's used". That's not true. Apparently, it depends on who's using it. That's wrong. If I say a word that you feel is offensive that's on you. How do you know what my intent was? Sure, you'll push your view, but since you can't prove my intent the argument is useless.

 

[Evan!]

Now Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson........notice how I purposely left out the Reverend part. Men of the lord eh? Well doesnt the lord preach forgivness, compassion, and love? See where Im going with that?

A little off-topic, but...come on. Forgiveness, love, compassion? What's compassionate about literally demanding that parents stone their own child to death if he or she forsakes the lord? The bible is full of murderous, treacherous, torturous, evil stuff, all done by the hand of god, or directed by such. Jesse and Al are in good company indeed. Anyway, had to correct that one...because only a SEVERE cherry-picking of the bible could make someone walk away from a reading of it with the impression that god is compassionate or loving or forgiving. He's a vengeful, extremely jealous god. I'm continually surprised by how jealous he is. SO much of the bible is dedicated to punishing anyone who believes in another god. I just have trouble with the idea that this all-powerful, omnipotent being is so damned insecure that he needs to devote a huge portion of his time punishing people who don't believe in him. Anyway, sorry to go so far off-topic...

Anyways, . You can now strongarm advertising agencies to withdraw their money in order to keep themselves out of it. If a certain ad agency didnt withdraw from Imus's show, well then they would be then considered a racist company for somehow supporting the nappy headed ho comment. So now a small group of people can now have you removed from your job of almost 40 years for one stupid comment. Freedom of speech? I say not. Is being fired for that justifiable? Wouldn't a unpaid leave or some other punishment be acceptable?

Look, I do agree with you that all of this is just nonsense, but it is definitely still freedom of speech, Chimone. The First Amendment says that The Congress shall not restrict speech:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The FCC fining Howard Stern for using dirty language on the air is more an abridging of free speech than Imus' advertisers getting pressured to drop him will ever be. Now, once the FCC gets involved and starts fining or punishing, then you have a free speech issue.

Otherwise, while this is a really, really foolish issue and I wish that Al and Jesse would just shut their idiotic, hypocritical, exploiting mouths once and for all, it's not really an issue of freedom of speech. With the freedom to say what you want comes the responsibility to deal with the consequences of said speech in a free market environment. This is an issue of bastard exploitative race-baiters, not an issue of free speech.

 

[Evan!]

I know how you feel. It's almost like, well, if you fire me then I have nothing to apologize for.

Now that he's off the air it may be time to really speak his mind and use any word that's printed in the dictionary.

That's one of my peeves concerning ignorance and a general lack of education. If it's in the dictionary why is it wrong to say the word aloud? Any word??

Even if it's not in the dictionary, the government should not be in the business of regulating the utterances of words. It's blatantly unconstitutional, and they justify it with this tortured argument that they "own" the broadcast spectrum, therefore they can do what they want with it. It's sick.

 

[homebrewer_99]

Even if it's not in the dictionary, the government should not be in the business of regulating the utterances of words. It's blatantly unconstitutional, and they justify it with this tortured argument that they "own" the broadcast spectrum, therefore they can do what they want with it. It's sick.

I concur. As far as I'm concerned politicians have stamped the Constitution null and void.

Free speech, freedom of the press, freedom from religion, free enterprise...NOT! The dreams of our forefathers are all wasted.

Anyone know which air channel that black DJ named Joyner is located? Listen to some of the crap and how he talks about white people. Imus should have brought that to the table in the media.

 

[Desert_Sky]

I heard a good analogy the other day......

Ok, lets say you have the freedom to say whatever you want. Sure you can say whatever you want, but Im going to punch you in the face everytime you do. So feel free to go ahead and say it, but just get ready to get hit.

Is that really freedom of speech?

 

[Desert_Sky]

And I think Im going to go ape sh*t from now on everytime I hear the word Cracker

 

[homebrewer_99]

I heard a good analogy the other day......

Ok, lets say you have the freedom to say whatever you want. Sure you can say whatever you want, but Im going to punch you in the face everytime you do. So feel free to go ahead and say it, but just get ready to get hit.

Is that really freedom of speech?

Apples and oranges...according to the law, assault, even verbal, is not grounds for battery (hitting).

 

[cdana]

So Sharpton demands that Imus apologize and be fired for his statements.

When is Sharpton going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players that he pretty much tried and convicted? When is he going to apologize to the coach of the Duke Lacrosse team who resigned as a result of now unfounded rape allegations? Don't hold your breath.

 

[Desert_Sky]

So Sharpton demands that Imus apologize and be fired for his statements.

Imus WAS fired

 

[cdana]

Imus WAS fired

I know that.

 

[Evan!]

I heard a good analogy the other day......

Ok, lets say you have the freedom to say whatever you want. Sure you can say whatever you want, but Im going to punch you in the face everytime you do. So feel free to go ahead and say it, but just get ready to get hit.

Is that really freedom of speech?

That's a poor analogy, really. Of course, in this isolated situation, no, you do not technically have "freedom of speech". However, the analogy is inapt simply because physical assault in response to verbal provocation is itself illegal. The analogy assumes a legal right to hold power over another's speech that simply does not exist.

Look, the fact of the matter is, these ad companies voluntarily entered into contracts with Imus' employers, and they have the right (generally speaking, forgetting any contractual details that may prevent it) to spend their money elsewhere.

Here's another analogy: I'm paying you money to work in my office. However, I say that, in order to get paid to work in MY office, you need to refrain from using the word 'Krunk'. Now, am I restricting your freedom of speech? Of course not. You can say 'Krunk' all you want---but not if you want my money.

Chimone, in a free market, we all willingly sacrifice some sort of "freedom" every time we enter into an agreement with another party. It's not the kind of freedom that is enumerated in the Constitution/BoR, but the kind of freedom that hangs in a fairly delicate balance in our lives. When I enter into an agreement to work at a firm, I sacrifice my freedom to, let's say, moonlight for other firms. I sacrifice my "right" to stay home all day and eat doritos and watch soap operas. These rights are not protected by the constitution, as they are "positive" rights.

The right to not be punched in the face without just cause, however, is a right that we all agree is protected by the government of the united states. The right to get paid by advertisers and have your own radio show, on the other hand, is NOT a protected right---therefore, this isn't a freedom of speech issue.

 

[Evan!]

So Sharpton demands that Imus apologize and be fired for his statements.

When is Sharpton going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players that he pretty much tried and convicted? When is he going to apologize to the coach of the Duke Lacrosse team who resigned as a result of now unfounded rape allegations? Don't hold your breath.

You wanna see some funny stuff, watch last night's Daily Show. They did a piece on Nancy Grace's coverage of the Duke spectacle. Amazing! She's insane.

 

[rdwj]

So Sharpton demands that Imus apologize and be fired for his statements.

When is Sharpton going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players that he pretty much tried and convicted? When is he going to apologize to the coach of the Duke Lacrosse team who resigned as a result of now unfounded rape allegations? Don't hold your breath.

The real crime is that they're NOT going to prosecute the woman that made the false claims. Seems crazy to me that you should be able to unleash that kind of hellstorm and when it proves to be false, you walk away unscathed.

The prosecuter will get his, no doubt, and he deserves to be disbarred, but the person that CAUSED all of the problems should have her day in court as well.