Its a malty beer style and I like the seasonality of it all, but yeah I dont like Marzen in the least. Sweet, malty, cloying, balanced I dont care what its called, I dont like it. Taking shots at America, really? Piss off. I wonder how many of the 6300 breweries in America some of you are referring to, or do all 6300 possible examples of Marzen in our country suck. Get over yourself.