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wormraper

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Hey, I just joined the site officially yesterday but I've been lurking about for a little while trying to absorb info before I start my first brew

been trying to decide if I should dip my toes in with a mr. beer kit or just go for the 5 gallon sets from my LHBS .
my one caveate to starting right away is being that I live in Tucson AZ right now the heat can be a nasty factor and being that I have swamp cooling my house temps for the next 2 - 3 months will be in the low 80's during the hot part of the day (and the mid to high 70's during night)... with those temps I don't know how well the Ice in a bucket of water trick to keep my fermenters temps down would work or not

OR unless their are recipes out their (or styles of beer really) that ferment well in higher heats
 
Hey, I just joined the site officially yesterday but I've been lurking about for a little while trying to absorb info before I start my first brew

been trying to decide if I should dip my toes in with a mr. beer kit or just go for the 5 gallon sets from my LHBS .
my one caveate to starting right away is being that I live in Tucson AZ right now the heat can be a nasty factor and being that I have swamp cooling my house temps for the next 2 - 3 months will be in the low 80's during the hot part of the day (and the mid to high 70's during night)... with those temps I don't know how well the Ice in a bucket of water trick to keep my fermenters temps down would work or not

OR unless their are recipes out their (or styles of beer really) that ferment well in higher heats

Brew a Saison and you dont have to worry about temps at all, that yeast is great up to about 95 degrees.
 
Brew a Saison and you dont have to worry about temps at all, that yeast is great up to about 95 degrees.

sorry for the stupid seeming question... but what exactly is a "saison"??? type of yeast?? type of beer itself??
 
sorry for the stupid seeming question... but what exactly is a "saison"??? type of yeast?? type of beer itself??

Its Both! Not a Stupid Question at all!

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/belgian-saison-activator-wyeast-act3724-4-25-oz.html

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style16.php


16C. Saison

Aroma: High fruitiness with low to moderate hop aroma and moderate to no herb, spice and alcohol aroma. Fruity esters dominate the aroma and are often reminiscent of citrus fruits such as oranges or lemons. A low to medium-high spicy or floral hop aroma is usually present. A moderate spice aroma (from actual spice additions and/or yeast-derived phenols) complements the other aromatics. When phenolics are present they tend to be peppery rather than clove-like. A low to moderate sourness or acidity may be present, but should not overwhelm other characteristics. Spice, hop and sour aromatics typically increase with the strength of the beer. Alcohols are soft, spicy and low in intensity, and should not be hot or solventy. The malt character is light. No diacetyl.

Appearance: Often a distinctive pale orange but may be golden or amber in color. There is no correlation between strength and color. Long-lasting, dense, rocky white to ivory head resulting in characteristic “Belgian lace” on the glass as it fades. Clarity is poor to good though haze is not unexpected in this type of unfiltered farmhouse beer. Effervescent.

Flavor: Combination of fruity and spicy flavors supported by a soft malt character, a low to moderate alcohol presence and tart sourness. Extremely high attenuation gives a characteristic dry finish. The fruitiness is frequently citrusy (orange- or lemon-like). The addition of one of more spices serve to add complexity, but shouldn’t dominate in the balance. Low peppery yeast-derived phenols may be present instead of or in addition to spice additions; phenols tend to be lower than in many other Belgian beers, and complement the bitterness. Hop flavor is low to moderate, and is generally spicy or earthy in character. Hop bitterness may be moderate to high, but should not overwhelm fruity esters, spices, and malt. Malt character is light but provides a sufficient background for the other flavors. A low to moderate tart sourness may be present, but should not overwhelm other flavors. Spices, hop bitterness and flavor, and sourness commonly increase with the strength of the beer while sweetness decreases. No hot alcohol or solventy character. High carbonation, moderately sulfate water, and high attenuation give a very dry finish with a long, bitter, sometimes spicy aftertaste. The perceived bitterness is often higher than the IBU level would suggest. No diacetyl.

Mouthfeel: Light to medium body. Alcohol level can be medium to medium-high, though the warming character is low to medium. No hot alcohol or solventy character. Very high carbonation with an effervescent quality. There is enough prickly acidity on the tongue to balance the very dry finish. A low to moderate tart character may be present but should be refreshing and not to the point of puckering.

Overall Impression: A refreshing, medium to strong fruity/spicy ale with a distinctive yellow-orange color, highly carbonated, well hopped, and dry with a quenching acidity.

Comments: Varying strength examples exist (table beers of about 5% strength, typical export beers of about 6.5%, and stronger versions of 8%+). Strong versions (6.5%-9.5%) and darker versions (copper to dark brown/black) should be entered as Belgian Specialty Ales (16E). Sweetness decreases and spice, hop and sour character increases with strength. Herb and spice additions often reflect the indigenous varieties available at the brewery. High carbonation and extreme attenuation (85-95%) helps bring out the many flavors and to increase the perception of a dry finish. All of these beers share somewhat higher levels of acidity than other Belgian styles while the optional sour flavor is often a variable house character of a particular brewery.

History: A seasonal summer style produced in Wallonia, the French-speaking part of Belgium. Originally brewed at the end of the cool season to last through the warmer months before refrigeration was common. It had to be sturdy enough to last for months but not too strong to be quenching and refreshing in the summer. It is now brewed year-round in tiny, artisanal breweries whose buildings reflect their origins as farmhouses.

Ingredients: Pilsner malt dominates the grist though a portion of Vienna and/or Munich malt contributes color and complexity. Sometimes contains other grains such as wheat and spelt. Adjuncts such as sugar and honey can also serve to add complexity and thin the body. Hop bitterness and flavor may be more noticeable than in many other Belgian styles. A saison is sometimes dry-hopped. Noble hops, Styrian or East Kent Goldings are commonly used. A wide variety of herbs and spices are often used to add complexity and uniqueness in the stronger versions, but should always meld well with the yeast and hop character. Varying degrees of acidity and/or sourness can be created by the use of gypsum, acidulated malt, a sour mash or Lactobacillus. Hard water, common to most of Wallonia, can accentuate the bitterness and dry finish.
Vital Statistics: OG: 1.048 – 1.065
IBUs: 20 – 35 FG: 1.002 – 1.012
SRM: 5 – 14 ABV: 5 – 7%

Commercial Examples: Saison Dupont Vieille Provision; Fantôme Saison D’Erezée - Printemps; Saison de Pipaix; Saison Regal; Saison Voisin; Lefebvre Saison 1900; Ellezelloise Saison 2000; Saison Silly; Southampton Saison; New Belgium Saison; Pizza Port SPF 45; Lost Abbey Red Barn Ale; Ommegang Hennepin
 
ooo, thanks for the info vance. I like Belgians so that sounds like a nice style to try in the hot summer months :D.... do you mind pointing me in the direction of some recipes that use that yeast?? (or is it one of those yeasts that you can substitute into a variety of pales like Belgian white's etc...)
 
ooo, thanks for the info vance. I like Belgians so that sounds like a nice style to try in the hot summer months :D.... do you mind pointing me in the direction of some recipes that use that yeast?? (or is it one of those yeasts that you can substitute into a variety of pales like Belgian white's etc...)


Well Since your an extract Brewer at this point, that is the easy part! BTW just personal opinion here, i would skip the Mr.Beer kit and go to a Local Home brew Supply store for an Equipment kit, i have never used Mr.Beer myself but i have not hear good things about it. You can also go through all the DME Types just sub the different type for the malt extract listed below, IE Amber,Dark,Wheat,Etc. Lots of room to play! I have even made a Stout with this yeast, it was different, but still tasted good!

A simple Saison

6lbs Extra Light Dry Malt Extract
1lb Caramel 20 Steeped 30 mins in 150 degree water
1 oz Hop of choice(bittering hop) @60 min
1 Oz Hop of choice(Aroma Hop)@ 20 min
Belgian Saison Activator Wyeast ACT3724
 
Well Since your an extract Brewer at this point, that is the easy part! BTW just personal opinion here, i would skip the Mr.Beer kit and go to a Local Home brew Supply store for an Equipment kit, i have never used Mr.Beer myself but i have not hear good things about it.

A simple Saison

6lbs Extra Light Dry Malt Extract
1lb Caramel 20 Steeped 30 mins in 150 degree water
1 oz Hop of choice(bittering hop) @60 min
1 Oz Hop of choice(Aroma Hop)@ 20 min
Belgian Saison Activator Wyeast ACT3724

yeah, I've been leaning towards the 5 gallon kits being that I'm an anal retentive perfectionist who likes GOOD beer, not just passable beer ;) Only real reason I was even considering the Mr. Beer was that it would be cheap and I could only make 2 gallons and not be out too much beer if it turned out to be swill..... luckily we have 2 LHBS's here in Tucson that are pretty good sized so I'll be giving them a swing by in the next few days



and thank you for the recipe... I'll most likely give it a whirl here as my first batch and leave the Vanilla porter recipe I wanna try for wintertime when I can get cooler temps
 
yeah, I've been leaning towards the 5 gallon kits being that I'm an anal retentive perfectionist who likes GOOD beer, not just passable beer ;) Only real reason I was even considering the Mr. Beer was that it would be cheap and I could only make 2 gallons and not be out too much beer if it turned out to be swill..... luckily we have 2 LHBS's here in Tucson that are pretty good sized so I'll be giving them a swing by in the next few days



and thank you for the recipe... I'll most likely give it a whirl here as my first batch and leave the Vanilla porter recipe I wanna try for wintertime when I can get cooler temps

You can Also get Cooler temps with a Window AC unit in one room, keep the door shut and call it your "brew lab", then you can just look up the temp that the yeast you are using likes and presto! Though it will raise the light bill...:)
 
my LHBS company agreed with your recommendation for a saison yeast so I believe that will be my first batch...

if there is anyone in the tucson area who wants a brew buddy I'd be more than happy for the company :D
 
We live in the south and our temps are always hot and humid. With space an issue I have to store the beer in the garage. That of course doesn't work so well with summer brewing. I bought a used deep freezer at a garage sale. Bought an adapter at my LHBS and the freezer stays at whatever temp I set the adapter to. I currently have it set at 68 degrees and though the garage temp is 98 this works perfectly for me. Also great for when it's time to lower and increase temperatures during fermentation. I attached a digital thermometer to the outside of the freezer so anytime I am in there I can double check my temps without having to open and close and disturb fermentation. It also is agreat way to keep the light out of the carboy. The freezer was 50 at a yard sale, 60 for the adapter, good beer... priceless.

Happy brewing.
 

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