Denver CMC group grain buy #6

[chromados]

I'm in for 100 lbs. 300 to go. I searched around about storage and the homer buckets from HD seem to be an inexpensive solution.

I guess I better order my mill now! I haven't done the math, but going to bulk and buying a mill should pay for itself pretty quick, right? Plus it's nice to have control over the crush.

I have been using the homer buckets for a long time to store my grain and I really like them, but some times they can be a PITA to get the lids off if they are on really tight.

I think when I bought my barley crusher a couple years ago I figured that with 3 sacks from a bulk buy (the first buy from CMC like 2 years ago was quite a bit cheaper even than it is now) plus the cost of the mill will about equal the cost from a homebrew shop.

Chromados

 

[moopless]

I have been using the homer buckets for a long time to store my grain and I really like them, but some times they can be a PITA to get the lids off if they are on really tight.

The buckets are great for 25 pounds each, but sometimes the lids just will not come off. I use the homer buckets for long term storage and a 10 gallon dog food container for the 2-row that I am currently using.

I am in for 200 lbs and the spreadsheet has been updated.

 

[dyneq]

OK, I'll probably rock the cheap buckets then. I actually have a lid tool that I got with my fermenter from AHS. At first, I was a little miffed at the price for what it is, but it's so worth it.

 

[d_striker]

I want in but only if we can get a co springs drop off. There are a lot of areas for a quick drop off on 25.

I don't want to add to the spreadsheet and then back out if we can't get enough co springs buyers.

How many lbs do we need to get them to make a stop in co springs? Also, who is handling the money?

 

[coypoo]

I guess I better order my mill now! I haven't done the math, but going to bulk and buying a mill should pay for itself pretty quick, right? Plus it's nice to have control over the crush.

My LHBS charges 1.85/lb; at 0.75/lb in bulk, the savings added up very quickly

 

[Stretch]

For those in the springs:

I'm not sure if I'll be buying any this round, but I work in Aurora and will pick it up from Dahoov's place and bring it down for anybody who would prefer that. Let me know.

Erik

Also, costco at this time has air lock storage containers for 26.99 which will hold just over (2-5#) a full sack. Air tight and dry.

 

[d_striker]

For those in the springs:

I'm not sure if I'll be buying any this round, but I work in Aurora and will pick it up from Dahoov's place and bring it down for anybody who would prefer that. Let me know.

Erik

Also, costco at this time has air lock storage containers for 26.99 which will hold just over (2-5#) a full sack. Air tight and dry.

Awesome. I'll take you up on this if it's not a problem.

 

[Stretch]

Not at all. That's why I threw it out there. I'd like to make it as easy on CMC as possible to keep prices down and keep them willing to deal with us.

 

[brianbrau]

Stretch im in for 250# myself. I know the pick up dates are on Saturdays would u be able to pick mine up too?

 

[d_striker]

Are the bags $37.50 per 50 lb bag as indicated in post #1 or $50 as indicated in the spreadsheet?

 

[Dahoov]

All,

Musketear has seemingly disappeared and so we will need someone to step up to the plate and take charge of this one. I don't really want to handle the money since I won't be buying anything this round but I am still willing to open my garage for the delivery.

I had some email correspondence with Jason today and here is the summary.

• The price is now at $1 per pound for all malted barleys.
  
• They now have what they are calling "Colorado 2 Row".
  
• They have the Belgian on hand.
  
• The price of the malted wheats will be $1 per pound as well.
  
• They currently have about 200 pounds of White Wheat on hand.
  
• They are offering a discount for 5,000 pounds of 2 cents per pound.
  
• They are offering a discount for 10,000 pounds of 5 cents per pound.

 

[Dahoov]

All,

I decided to quote Jason's responses to my emails so everyone would have the same information and see that there is no animosity with regards to the price increase. On the contrary they still want our business but the economy and demand are forcing the higher prices.

Matt,

Wow looking great! Yes we still have the Belgian so order away...Also, we do have a little Malted White wheat. like 200 lbs in stock. Also, $150.00 to deliver is correct.

Very Sorry about this: but price increases are attempting to eat us alive - plus we are already getting slammed in 2012 and we do not have near the capacity to keep up....

After our corporate meeting Jan 1, 2012 our new price on Colorado Base Pale, Colorado Pilsner and Belgian Style Pale and our new Colorado 2-Row is $1.00 per pound straight across the board.

All Colorado products are going to be a little more expensive in 2012. We appreciate your support!

Over 5000 lbs for discount.

Cheers,

Jason K. Cody

Matt,

We feel bad too...and love working with you all, but we are a very small malt company and we have to make things work for us too...we appreciate your patronage and your willingness to work with us to get Colorado Brewers Colorado Grain in their beer.

Our 5,000 lbs discount is:

$0.02 per lbs - So over 5000 lbs is $0.98

10,000 lbs is $0.05 making it $0.95 - If you want to shoot for that, I would understand.

Thanks! With all the costs going up that is the best I can do.

We are at a dollar on the malted wheat as well.

Thanks Again!

 

[Stretch]

Do we want to delay this buy a couple months until everyone needs grain and we can hit 10k lbs...or is this even possible for us? Is the new CO 2row on the website? Can't check at the moment. What are the differences? Matt, how long until you think you'd need grain?

 

[Dahoov]

10,000 pounds should be doable. The May 2011 buy was over 6,000 and the October buy was over 4,000. However price may play a big part in this buy. Even with the 5 cents discount (= 5%) the price will be $47.50 per sack. At 10,000 pounds the shipping works out to 75 cents per sack so the total per sack price would be $48.25.

At this price I will likely just use my monthly newsletter 15% discount at Brew Hut and get a sack of whatever pale/2 row they have the best price on.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the CMC product and I want to support them but I like Brew Hut and want to support them as well. At the higher price for the CMC grain there is no longer any incentive to go in on the group buy.

CMC appears to be changing the website. The only information I have on the "2 Row" is what is contained in the above email.

Do we want to delay this buy a couple months until everyone needs grain and we can hit 10k lbs...or is this even possible for us? Is the new CO 2row on the website? Can't check at the moment. What are the differences? Matt, how long until you think you'd need grain?

 

[acefaser]

Wow I'm probably pulling out of this one. $50/sack is no group buy price. I get it for that price from the local store.

 

[coypoo]

That's unfortunate about the price increases. Coupon at BrewHut will be cheaper for me as well, so I have to pull out too

 

[Stretch]

Not to hijack in another direction, but you think brew hut would give us a slight bulk discount? The coupon is good, but it's only one bag at a time. It is a bummer that CMC had to raise prices. Hopefully it doesn't translate to other maltsters increasing too.

 

[chromados]

I will also have to pull out of the group buy With the price and the cost of gas and time for me to come down to Denver from FC. Sorry guys.

Chromados

 

[coypoo]

Not to hijack in another direction, but you think brew hut would give us a slight bulk discount? The coupon is good, but it's only one bag at a time. It is a bummer that CMC had to raise prices. Hopefully it doesn't translate to other maltsters increasing too.

I doubt it. But you can get a coupon every month. So you need for than 50 lbs of base malt a month?

 

[moopless]

Sorry but I am out of this one as well. I love CMC, but the new price just kills it.

 

[peaktopview]

just got into the group buy last round for the first time and brewed today with it (just got a grain mill for xmas). too bad the prices are jumping (25%). it looks like they/we are not the only ones dealing with this. wonder how this will effect prices across the board for barley. sam adams is looking at a 30% price increase of their barley. might just be the sign of the times. although barley production is expected to rise in 2112, guess we will just see.

Boston Beer Co. Expecting Price Increases in 2012 : Brewbound.com

 

[dyneq]

I noticed that Great Western has an office in Aurora. I searched and didn't find whether or not anyone had ever tried them before. Anyone know?

 

[riverfrontbrewer]

He all-

I don't have a need now as tax season is upon us and my weekends will be spent working for the next several months. BUT, would definitely be in for a few sacks come May/June.

 

[benbradford]

Not so stoked on the price change... I can get 50# through brewmasters warehouse for $65 with brew builder discount.... Are there any other malt companies with lower prices?

 

[coypoo]

Not so stoked on the price change... I can get 50# through brewmasters warehouse for $65 with brew builder discount.... Are there any other malt companies with lower prices?

Brew hut's sacks are about 45 I believe

 

[Dahoov]

Not so stoked on the price change... I can get 50# through brewmasters warehouse for $65 with brew builder discount.... Are there any other malt companies with lower prices?

When I was in Brew Hut today they had sacks of Rahr for $48.95. If you use your monthly 15% discount that works out to about $44.80 including tax.

 

[dyneq]

Sorry if this is off topic, but...

Why is grain so much cheaper in the midwest and pacific northwest compared to the Front Range? For example, I have found 50 lb. sacks of 2-row for $29.25!

I'm not trying to say that there is a conspiracy or anything, but I just want to understand why if there's a good reason. My LHBS charges $48 (not including tax) for Rahr. Is it that the malting operations are closer so there's less transportation costs, etc.?

 

[riverfrontbrewer]

Not sure dy, but with the number of breweries and homebrewers here in CO I would bet the demand is quite high. $1.00 per lb for cmc is still quite a bit cheaper than buying the same grain at the brew hut.

 

[acefaser]

Not sure dy, but with the number of breweries and homebrewers here in CO I would bet the demand is quite high. $1.00 per lb for cmc is still quite a bit cheaper than buying the same grain at the brew hut.

Actually its more than the Brew Hut as Dahoov has pointed out. Plus we are skipping the middle man and buying in bulk. The grain should be much cheaper than the LHBS. I think we need to contact CNC and let them know they are loosing their homebrew bulk buys with the price increase. Maybe this is what they want? Would they rather deal with larger companies that buy 10 times as much?

 

[Dahoov]

Actually its more than the Brew Hut as Dahoov has pointed out. Plus we are skipping the middle man and buying in bulk. The grain should be much cheaper than the LHBS. I think we need to contact CNC and let them know they are loosing their homebrew bulk buys with the price increase. Maybe this is what they want? Would they rather deal with larger companies that buy 10 times as much?

Actually I pointed out that Brew Hut has Rahr grain for $48.95. When I was in I noticed they DO NOT carry the CMC grain (at least on display in the grain room). I know I have seen it there in the past, and I believe I recall it being about $65.