DC Area Group Buy #9

[res291que]

Perfect thanks Ed, I'll take you up on that and put in my order later today.


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[res291que]

Please add the following for me from the appropriate splits.

Crisp Brown 10 lbs
Crisp Pale Chocolate 5 lbs
Weyermann CaraAroma 5 lbs






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[IslandLizard]

Please add the following for me from the appropriate splits.

Crisp Brown 10 lbs
Crisp Pale Chocolate 5 lbs
Weyermann CaraAroma 5 lbs

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[reddskinnfan]

Sure, done!



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Here's Redds current recipe in the CYBI thread.

However, I ran into a problem after brewing it a few weeks ago. The Chinook is almost non-existent in mine. Malt is good, but bitterness is lowish, and no hop flavor or aroma to speak of. Someone should take a good look at the listed hop quantities, maybe there's an error. I scaled mine to a 5.5 gallon batch, and it looked fine in Beersmith. The boil smelled fine. Maybe my hops are just not up to par very strange.

My hops were almost spot on, just slightly less bitter. Aroma and hop flavor slightly subdued. Again, I attribute to lack of gypsum in mine. I, also, do a helluva vigorous boil and use a hop spider.

 

[reddskinnfan]

My hops were almost spot on, just slightly less bitter. Aroma and hop flavor slightly subdued. Again, I attribute to lack of gypsum in mine. I, also, do a helluva vigorous boil and use a hop spider.

Also, how old were hops?

I had two different AA hops, too. Did you remember to scale for that?

 

[claphamsa]

I was! And I realized that I should use rice hulls more often as I do get partially stuck mashes. I will certainly help split it!

cheaper to buy a braid! never had a stuck mash in my life!

 

[IslandLizard]

Also, how old were hops?

I had two different AA hops, too. Did you remember to scale for that?

My Chinook was bought early last year from HopsDirect, and I expect them to be 2012 crop, but no way to tell exactly, there's no date on it .

Since I've had them they've always been deep frozen (-4°F - 4°F) in original mylar bag, once used, rolled tight and taped without excess air. I've used them in other recipes, but nothing critical that would show up as lackluster. They smelled very fragrant in package and the boil, like, oh yeah! No baskets, free swimming in kettle with a heavy duty filter on the bulkhead. Good rolling boil. Aroma addition had a 1/2 hour hop stand 212 => 190. It took a good half hour to get all the wort chilled to 70°F and into fermentor (single pass, mostly).

I did "scale" for the bittering portion of hops, which turned out to be the same as yours, but not for the 20 min and later additions. I actually added 10% to all hop quantities to compensate for hop age, not reflected in the listed amounts. All pellets @ 14.2 %AA.

Your 10.5 gallon batch:
1.5 Chinook (14.3%) - FWH
1.5 Chinook (14.3%) - 90
1.0 Chinook (14.3%) - 20
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 15
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 10
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 5
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 0

My 5.5 gallon batch (as expected, amounts are half of yours):
.75 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 5 36.7 IBUs
.75 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 6 33.4 IBUs
.50 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 12.6 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 5.2 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 3.8 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 2.1 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
Total IBUs 93.7

There is NO way this is 93 IBU, something is off. Maybe it IS the hops... mislabeled or older than 2012 perhaps? In the past HD was not very good with their crop declaration on the labels, as in "totally missing." The last order I got from them finally had the year (2013) on them.

 

[reddskinnfan]

My Chinook was bought early last year from HopsDirect, and I expect them to be 2012 crop, but no way to tell exactly, there's no date on it .

Since I've had them they've always been deep frozen (-4°F - 4°F) in original mylar bag, once used, rolled tight and taped without excess air. I've used them in other recipes, but nothing critical that would show up as lackluster. They smelled very fragrant in package and the boil, like, oh yeah! No baskets, free swimming in kettle with a heavy duty filter on the bulkhead. Good rolling boil. Aroma addition had a 1/2 hour hop stand 212 => 190. It took a good half hour to get all the wort chilled to 70°F and into fermentor (single pass, mostly).

I did "scale" for the bittering portion of hops, which turned out to be the same as yours, but not for the 20 min and later additions. I actually added 10% to all hop quantities to compensate for hop age, not reflected in the listed amounts. All pellets @ 14.2 %AA.

Your 10.5 gallon batch:
1.5 Chinook (14.3%) - FWH
1.5 Chinook (14.3%) - 90
1.0 Chinook (14.3%) - 20
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 15
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 10
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 5
.50 oz Chinook (9.8%) - 0

My 5.5 gallon batch (as expected, amounts are half of yours):
.75 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 5 36.7 IBUs
.75 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 6 33.4 IBUs
.50 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 12.6 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 5.2 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 3.8 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 2.1 IBUs
.25 oz Chinook [14.20 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
Total IBUs 93.7

There is NO way this is 93 IBU, something is off. Maybe it IS the hops... mislabeled or older than 2012 perhaps? In the past HD was not very good with their crop declaration on the labels, as in "totally missing." The last order I got from them had the year (2013) on them.

Age of hops is my guess. Two year old hops would lose about 20-30% AA from original, at least.

 

[PikevilleBrew]

It took 3 guys and nearly an hour to split those 2 bales, and they got a workout!

The hulls really help in sticky mashes that contain lots of wheat, rye, oats, pumpkin, etc. I put them in the mash from the beginning, but I heard others only add them right before they lauter. Not sure why.

Right on. I am transitioning from my wheat season to my pumpkin season! LOL. I am convinced that rice hulls are the answer. I am scheduling out the next few months so depending on other takers I might increase my split. I will be watching the forum!

 

[AfternoonNap]

What has been read cannot be unread!

So now I need to try this Arrogant Bastard everyone is talking about.

Please sign me up for 5lbs of the CaraAroma split.

 

[stonebrewer]

Back from VT and CT; caught up on all PM's and requests for the list. Went to Hill Farmstead while up that way...what a perfect place for a brewery! Looks like he is tripling the size of the brewery too! Highly recommend a beer-cation to VT if you ever get a chance! I went to a bar that had 4 HF brews on tap, 2 Lawson's Finests, Heady, and about 10 other world class beers PLUS awesome food. People are really friendly and the beers you find in local groceries and gas stations top most bottle shops I have been in! Now where did I put that growler of Everett...

 

[stonebrewer]

Age of hops is my guess. Two year old hops would lose about 20-30% AA from original, at least.

Agreed. I have used that hop schedule on the last couple of AB clones and I don't think I could get closer on the hop schedule than this! I recently did a ZD clone with year old hops and had a similar issue with lackluster hop character. Think I am going to stop stocking up on hops as I don't want to brew 10 gallons and be disappointed! One thing that does work well though it to dry hop, so if you keg you can always revive lackluster hop flavor/aroma. If you bottle, you are kinda screwed though...

Just had an all Chinook IPA. Thought it would be horrible as Chinook can have rough edges, but it was fantastic! It is called Sap by Tree House Brewing. Gonna have to try to clone it as I could drink it all day!

 

[IslandLizard]

What has been read cannot be unread!

So now I need to try this Arrogant Bastard everyone is talking about.

Please sign me up for 5lbs of the CaraAroma split.

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You won't be disappointed, and the color is roundout gorgeous.

 

[IslandLizard]

Agreed. I have used that hop schedule on the last couple of AB clones and I don't think I could get closer on the hop schedule than this! I recently did a ZD clone with year old hops and had a similar issue with lackluster hop character. Think I am going to stop stocking up on hops as I don't want to brew 10 gallons and be disappointed! One thing that does work well though it to dry hop, so if you keg you can always revive lackluster hop flavor/aroma. If you bottle, you are kinda screwed though...

Just had an all Chinook IPA. Thought it would be horrible as Chinook can have rough edges, but it was fantastic! It is called Sap by Tree House Brewing. Gonna have to try to clone it as I could drink it all day!

I have the feeling the hops were either older than 2012 (no date was given on the website or printed on the label), were just not a potent crop as hoped for, may have been stored improperly at the source, have a lot less %αA (and %βA) than printed on the label.

For comparison, the Centennial I used in Two Hearted is from the same shipment and is wonderful judging from an SG sample a few days ago. I had added 28% more hops to all additions to counteract possible age, and I may now have a 2.3-Hearted, but the more Centennial the merrier, IMO.

Speaking of Two Hearted, it's an excellent base recipe for an IPA and makes the hops shine. WY1272 really brings out a nice fruitiness which goes well with many hops.

Soon I'll brew a batch of AB again, and in the mean time give the keg a little bit of a dry hop to boost aroma. I'm not saying the hops are totally lost, there's a pronounced bitterness, just not 80+ IBUs, and aroma and flavor are nowhere near AB. Right now it tastes more like a really good dark amber, and for some reason half of the keg has gone missing already.

 

[German_HB_Baltimore]

I am starting a new split.

20# WEY1005 Weyermann® Pale Wheat

Thank You!

 

[claphamsa]

did we ever guess when this would be done? ill need some munich...but im using it mid september.... thoughts? anyone have 15 lbs munich to lend me?

 

[stonebrewer]

did we ever guess when this would be done? ill need some munich...but im using it mid september.... thoughts? anyone have 15 lbs munich to lend me?

You know I do! Light or dark? Munich I or Munich II?

 

[claphamsa]

You know I do! Light or dark? Munich I or Munich II?

do i look like my recepies are that specific? how about... normal Munich? (you need to try this baltic porter... so good!)

 

[robfar]

I'll open a split on this. I'll take 20 lbs.

CRI1002 Crisp Gleneagles Maris Otter 25 kg (55 lb)

 

[stonebrewer]

do i look like my recepies are that specific? how about... normal Munich? (you need to try this baltic porter... so good!)

Normal Munich is usually the darker one, Munich II (Weyermann). You need to bring me some of dat baltic porter then! After all you come by my house all the time to play that silly ice game of yours.

 

[claphamsa]

no more rockville games this season!

 

[res291que]

I'll take 25 lbs of that Marris otter split



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[ovenfreshbread]

I am starting a new split.

20# WEY1005Weyermann® Pale Wheat

I'll take 10# of german_hb's pale wheat split. If we need more to close it out later, I can probably take more.


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[IslandLizard]

I am starting a new split.

20# WEY1005 Weyermann® Pale Wheat

Thank You!

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I'll take 10# of german_hb's pale wheat split. If we need more to close it out later, I can probably take more.

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I'll open a split on this. I'll take 20 lbs.

CRI1002 Crisp Gleneagles Maris Otter 25 kg (55 lb)

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I'll take 25 lbs of that Marris otter split

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10# left on this.

 

[peter78]

I am starting a new split.

20# WEY1005Weyermann® Pale Wheat

Thank You!

I'll take 15 lbs

 

[IslandLizard]

I'll take 15 lbs

OOPS, correction: Added 15# of WEY1005 - Weyermann Pale Wheat.

 

[PikevilleBrew]

OK, I will also take Rahr Standard 2-Row 50lb bag!

 

[IslandLizard]

OK, I will also take Rahr Standard 2-Row 50lb bag!

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[joshindc]

I'll take the last #10 of
CRI1002 Crisp Gleneagles Maris Otter 25 kg (55 lb)

Also, I don't think I need the CaraAroma any more, so I'll back out of that split. Sorry!

Thanks,
Josh

 

[IslandLizard]

I'll take the last #10 of
CRI1002 Crisp Gleneagles Maris Otter 25 kg (55 lb)

Added. This one is filled now.

Also, I don't think I need the CaraAroma any more, so I'll back out of that split. Sorry!

Thanks,
Josh

No problem. Removed 5# of CA.
20# to go.