Damn triglycerides...

[ChshreCat]

wait...i'm confused.
complaining about 1 beer a night
on the drunken ramblings forum?

This is more of a mindless mumbling than a druken rambling.

 

[jonmohno]

If triglycerides are anything lilke cholesteral checks try doing them at differnet times to see how levels change, my cholesteral is out of bounds but they are finding cholesterol is good for you like in egg yolks. its just the crap in a package that you gotta worry about. If you stick to a raw eating plan eating mostly raw and having a good source of good fats like olive oil, coconut oil,,grass fed beef moderatley,humanely resposibly raised animal food sources. High tryglicerides is the fat measured currently in your blood, i would check it at different intervals and have a good eating /exercise lifestlye that way you can still brew your beer and drink it moderatly
Also adding things like chlorophyll,spirulina,wheatgrass garlic,lemon juice... there are tons of powerfoods like these that improve health and reverse aging another big one is juice fasting so you can rest your organs once in a while and revive your mind.It takes patience and willpower though but feeling good is worth it sometimes.

 

[sudsmcgee]

Triglycerides are typically measured after a 12 hour fast because they increase right after a meal, but postprandial TG levels are now considered important too.

 

[Wus67]

Ask your doc for Gemfibrozil, i'm on it for tri's as well. After being on it for three months it dropped my levels almost 700 points, with very little diet change, and really no beer intake change. My doc was cool too, I asked him for a drug I could drink with, and without skipping a beat, he says let me write you a different script.

 

[ChshreCat]

The one beer (or less) a night thing is only temporary until I get my numbers down, so I'm find with it. Besides... honestly... I really didn't need to be drinking 3-4 beers every night.

One plus is that my body is adjusting to the niacin. I hardly feel anything from it now and I'm not even taking aspirin first anymore.

 

[coypoo]

I notice that I drink less during the night if I dont drink while I eat. I'll easily drink a whole beer with dinner without blinking, so I try to hold off until after and then I'll usually only have one.

 

[Mikespunchlist]

I can't believe you folks don't study for them damned tests! For about 2 weeks before mine I eat only fish and handfulls of almonds (I like the smoked kind) and drink gallons of water. Doc says its amazing but your good cholesterol is kicking butt and the bad has been negated by the good. It's worked for last 5 years and my thumper is still pumping.

 

[ChshreCat]

Alright, got retested and after all my hard work, I brought my trigs down about 40%. The only problem is that that brings them down to merely "high" instead of "Holy crap that's really high" territory. So, I'm still a one beer guy, still taking the niacin and watching carbs and sugar and fat. I'm pretty used to it now. Kinda miss fast food, but not that much.

 

[jonmohno]

Just something to think about that you may think is off topic, but cholesterol awareness and the drugs for them is complete b.s. Its actually the scaring of the arteries and the attachment of the cholesterol that clogges arteries.Cholesterol is fine,if your arteries are damanged from homogenized milk, hydrogenated oils,choloranated water which scar the arteries which people dont pay attention to then the cholesterol build up plaque.Drugs arnt **** and its the elimination of the bull**** that we eat that needs to be avoided.If "they" find a reason to make money they will,its such a crime that we have to investigate ourselves how to truly avoid these problems.They at all cost dont ever ever want a cure for cancer if they did they would have no buisness to make money, and yes there are cures you just have to dig and not trust in our dumb ass health system,that is a big cycle of death$$
Also you can aquire a good taste system by elimating fast food and learning raw foods/healthy foods. I know fast food cam taste good but they actually have addictive chemicals that make you think that and make you fat.Healty food can taste good,really its how you prepare them. People get brainwashed with the bull**** we eat.Its such fraud.I like eating that once in a while but i shure as hell feel like crap when i do.

 

[DeafSmith]

Yeah, I know what you mean about the niacin flushing - I take it too. But I take some other stuff which helps with the cholesterol, so I can keep the niacin dosage low enough that I don't have too much problem with flushing.

A little history:
11 years ago I found out I had high cholesterol - about 280. Doctor put me on Lipitor, and I was on that for 7 years - took myself off because of the muscle aches and stiffness and started taking some over-the-counter stuff. My cholesterol is now under control (total under 200, I don't remember the other numbers, but the doc is happy with them) and no more muscle aches and stiffness - in fact, I just had my annual physical and the doctor said to just keep on doing what I'm doing. So here's what I take every day:

Breakfast
---------
Niacin (Enduracin) - slow release* - 250 mg
Niacin - instant release - 1/2 of a 250 mg pill
Phytosterol - 450 mg
Pantethine - 300 mg
Salmon Oil (Nature's Bounty brand) - 1000 mg
Oat bran muffin

Lunch
-------
Niacin - instant release - 1/2 of a 250 mg pill
Oat bran muffin

Dinner
-------
Niacin - slow release* - 250 mg
Niacin - instant release - 1/2 of a 250 mg pill
Phytosterol - 450 mg
Pantethine - 300 mg
Salmon Oil (Nature's Bounty brand) - 1000 mg
Red Yeast Rice (Nature's Bounty brand, have used others) - 600 mg

*The slow release niacin is niacin embedded in a wax matrix which slowly dissolves, so it is not ineffective like some slow release versions which are chemically different, I think.

I get the niacin, both the Enduracin slow release and the instant release, as well as the phytosterol and pantethine from this company:

http://www.endur.com/

Unfortunately, the phytosterol and pantethine are rather pricey, but the niacin is reasonable.

I also recommend "The New 8-week Cholesterol Cure" by Robert Kowalski (available in book stores and also from Endurance Products Co. where I get the pills).

I have to admit that I usually average only about one beer a night, occasionally two.

 

[sudsmcgee]

Just a couple of things: phytosterols block cholesterol absorption but are themselves slightly absorbed and are atherogenic. I'd reconsider continuing those as you're just trading one sterol for another.

Red yeast rice IS a statin. It contains monacolin k, which is lovastatin. If you take a statin you need to take coq10 because statins inhibit coq10 production.

 

[DeafSmith]

Just a couple of things: phytosterols block cholesterol absorption but are themselves slightly absorbed and are atherogenic. I'd reconsider continuing those as you're just trading one sterol for another.

Red yeast rice IS a statin. It contains monacolin k, which is lovastatin. If you take a statin you need to take coq10 because statins inhibit coq10 production.

Can you give me a reference for the phytosterols being atherogenic? My doctor doesn't have a problem with them.

As for the red yeast rice, yes, I am aware that it is a statin. I don't have any particular objection to taking a statin in small doses, as long as it doesn't cause side effects. The Lipitor was causing problems - the red yeast rice isn't. I am aware that there are some people who think statins in any amount are poison, but it was my doctor who recommended I take the red yeast rice after I stopped taking Lipitor, and I trust his judgement.

 

[coypoo]

. Drugs arnt **** and its the elimination of the bull**** that we eat that needs to be avoided.If "they" find a reason to make money they will,its such a crime that we have to investigate ourselves how to truly avoid these problems.They at all cost dont ever ever want a cure for cancer if they did they would have no buisness to make money, and yes there are cures you just have to dig and not trust in our dumb ass health system,that is a big cycle of death

The drugs are there bc they save lives. Compared to placebo, people on statins had less fatal heart attacks and strokes. Say what you want about the drug companies, but the drugs work very well

 

[sudsmcgee]

Compared to placebo, people on statins had less fatal heart attacks and strokes. Say what you want about the drug companies, but the drugs work very well

Or they don't if you take statins and don't already have CHD, or are female....

http://www.pharmacist.com/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Pharmacy_News&template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=24117

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4068052092994_page_2.htm

But in the end I guess it depends upon which studies you choose to put your faith in. I'm more interested in the number need to treat (NNT) than relative statistics. The NNT for statins is poor at best and some say abysmal.

 

[sudsmcgee]

Can you give me a reference for the phytosterols being atherogenic? My doctor doesn't have a problem with them.

As for the red yeast rice, yes, I am aware that it is a statin. I don't have any particular objection to taking a statin in small doses, as long as it doesn't cause side effects. The Lipitor was causing problems - the red yeast rice isn't. I am aware that there are some people who think statins in any amount are poison, but it was my doctor who recommended I take the red yeast rice after I stopped taking Lipitor, and I trust his judgement.

There are more, but this is the first one I could quickly find.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16325823

If you are concerned, I'd look for more if I were you. I used to take phytosterols but I stopped after reviewing the data.

 

[jonmohno]

The drugs are there bc they save lives. Compared to placebo, people on statins had less fatal heart attacks and strokes. Say what you want about the drug companies, but the drugs work very well

You must not be aware of the numbers prescription drugs have killed also,also not to mention the disease that is caused by most of those drugs -that they will not claim,it may fix one thing but damage another,I can see that some drugs could save lives in emergencies but most of them will end up damaging you in one way or another.Literally suck the money and life out of you til your dead.

 

[coypoo]

I am aware. The number of deaths attributed to prescription drugs with mortality benefits is probably like 1 for every 100,000 of not 1,000,000. Some of the 'number needed to treat' I.e, the number of people on the drug to save 1 life for some of these drugs is like 25!