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xdfireguy

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Okay just want to run this by you all and get some feedback. I’ve been out of brewing for some time, and now that SWMBO is being obeyed by someone else, I can get back to doing things I once enjoyed. I picked up a kit from my LHBS just to make things “easy” and flew by the seat of my pants, thinking I remembered enough of what I once did regularly 10-15 years ago… Just to add to the (ahem!) challenge, I shared this experience with my 5-year-old daughter in an effort to teach her a little about the science behind it and get some more kitchen “cooking” time. (note to others: generally this is probably a bad combination)

So here is an excerpt from my brewsheet, brewed on 1/7

ESB Ingredients:
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Amt Name
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM)
8.0 oz Victory Malt (20.0 SRM)
6 lbs 9.6 oz Muntons Extra Light Malt Extract (5.5 SR
1.00 oz Northern Brewer [8.60 %] - Boil 60.0 min
0.50 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 mins)
1.00 oz Fuggles [4.20 %] - Boil 2.0 min
1.0 pkg English Ale (White Labs #WLP002)

Est O/G: 1.050 O/G: ~1.052
Est F/G: 1.013

Okay, that’s the basics. In the last two weeks that this has been fermenting, I have taken the opportunity to reflect on the possible brew day errors that I made. First, I added the grains to cool water and brought it up to 155F slowly. I did not count the time bringing up to temp, but started the 30 min at the point where I reached 145F. Total time well over an hour.

Bittering hops went in a grain bag doubled over and tied tight… don’t know what I was thinking. Other than maybe I was afraid that the beer would end up too hoppy. (Read: I am not a fan of super hopped up beers – to each their own)

Next error of my ways… poor aeration. At least I ran the wort through a sieve and shook it about for a bit. But not nearly properly done. It took a bit longer than I expected for the WLP002 to take off. Oh yeah, direct pitch – no starter.

Oh, and small child + first brew = plenty of distractions. The OG above is approximate, because of said distractions.

Now nearly two weeks later, I am holding steady at 1.021. With gentle swirling to get the yeast back up and running for the last 4 days or so - activity in airlock, but no change in SG. The brew is very malty, fairly sweet, with little to no hop character.

What I’m not sure of is how this will develop after bottling. I am not in any rush, so any additions before bottling that might be recommended could be done in a secondary if that seems appropriate. I guess I would like to get it a bit more balanced and could use some feedback. I’m prepared to just bottle, let it ride, and see what comes of it. But I am open to suggestions.
 
At lower temps (under 64F) the WLP002 might tend to go into a dormant state and drop out. You don't seem to be posting what temp you're fermenting at, so that could be a cause.
 
Yeah, what is your ferm temp? wlp002 is a very floculant yeast. Plus, it isn't uncommon for extract brews to finish at 1.020 more or less.. You can bump up the temp to the 70F point and very gently rock the fermentor to resuspend the yeast and maybe get another point or two out of it.

Everything else sounds fine...
 
Knew I was forgetting something. Temp has been pretty constant at abut 66F - digital thermometer (strip on fermenter reads 64/5F). Don't have a ferm chamber back up and running yet, so getting temps up might be difficult. I could get it off the floor and above the thermocline :)
 
Knew I was forgetting something. Temp has been pretty constant at abut 66F - digital thermometer (strip on fermenter reads 64/5F). Don't have a ferm chamber back up and running yet, so getting temps up might be difficult. I could get it off the floor and above the thermocline :)

I use a heating pad from Walgreens. Tape it to the bucket, put a blanket around everything, set the heat pad on low and keep checking temp till it gets to 70 then turn it off and just leave it covered with the blanket. Keep checking the temp and turn the heat pad on as needed to maintain. do this for a few days then re-check gravity..

I just did this last week on a stout that was stuck at 1.026. I haven't checked gravity yet (broke my hydrometer last weekend and just got new one tonight), but I'm sure it came down a bit. Now I have it slowly coming back down to 65 and I'll leave it there for another 2 weeks...
 
Knocking down the FG should lessen the sugars and thus raise ABV if I remember correctly. What are your thoughts on balancing the flavors out? Rack to secondary and add hops, or bottle and let it mellow?

Either way I'm good with waiting, I've just been blowing off the cobwebs trying to remember what I have done in the past.
 
I use a heating pad from Walgreens. Tape it to the bucket, put a blanket around everything, set the heat pad on low and keep checking temp till it gets to 70 then turn it off and just leave it covered with the blanket. Keep checking the temp and turn the heat pad on as needed to maintain. do this for a few days then re-check gravity..

That would work. Shame I don't have any heating pads left...
 
Knocking down the FG should lessen the sugars and thus raise ABV if I remember correctly. What are your thoughts on balancing the flavors out? Rack to secondary and add hops, or bottle and let it mellow?

Either way I'm good with waiting, I've just been blowing off the cobwebs trying to remember what I have done in the past.

Don't do a secondary at all. Just do like I mentioned above, then leave it in primary for at least 10 to 14 more days and then bottle condition for at least 3 weeks if not 4 or 5. Things have changed since you brewed years ago, and these days people don't use a secondary unless you are lagering or adding fruit or dry hopping. Even then you could still dry hop in a primary if your gravity is stable. Leaving it on the yeast in the primary will help it clean up and improve the taste of your beer...
 
Wow... now I'm feeling old (and I haven't even hit 40 yet!)

Just kidding! That sounds like a plan. I'm going to set up the thermometers in various other locations in the house to see if I can find a "warmer" spot too. I do appreciate the help.
 
Hey be careful, cuz I'm 41! haha... Sounds like a good plan. Warm it up a bit, give it plenty of time to clean up, and you'll get a good beer. :mug:
 
I'll do that. Then give her a taste in another week or two. If it needs it, I might throw in an ounce of Goldings and dry hop it. I found some old notes and that seemed to be a nice addition to a bitter that I did before.
 
WOW!!! :eek: Just did a quick reply and saw the last post after it went through...


Let me clarify... the comments in #13 are referring to the beer not the (former) SWMBO!!


Holy crap... I think I just fell off the floor!!!
 
WOW!!! :eek: Just did a quick reply and saw the last post after it went through...


Let me clarify... the comments in #13 are referring to the beer not the (former) SWMBO!!


Holy crap... I think I just fell off the floor!!!

I don't think dry hopping would even help the taste of that one! hahahaha Just kidding. I've been divorced for a long time, and I love the freedom. Plus I rasied my daughter by myself for 13 years! Now she is in college and daddy gets to brew ;)
 
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