Saison Cottage House Saison

[azscoob]

Just brewed this the other day. It was my first all grain batch, so I had lot effeciency, but so far I've got 4.5 gallons of 6.75% brew. I think I may have used a whole ounce of sorachi ace by accident....Lets hope the alpha was depleted!

Congratulations on your first all grain batch! It amazes me that some people freak out about going all grain.... See? It wasn't that hard was it?

 

[Wiesty]

Congratulations on your first all grain batch! It amazes me that some people freak out about going all grain.... See? It wasn't that hard was it?

Nope, not too hard at all. In fact I prefer it to working with extract. As I stated, I had pretty low efficiency, which is what I'll aim to improve next time.

 

[GeorgiaMead]

My first AG batch was low too, takes a few batches to get your effiency up, mines still not completely stable but each brew gets a little more steady

 

[danok1]

Just an update: I decided to forgo the honey (I missed it in the boil. m00ps suggested to add on the 2nd or 3rd day of ferment, but Life interrupted, so...). Took a gravity reading yesterday. 1.001, down from 1.054. Sample tasted great. Gonna pick up the grains/hops for another batch, brew it (with the honey this time), bottle this batch, and dump the new batch on the yeast cake.

Love this hobby!

-Dan

 

[klowneyy]

Brewed the other day. Left out the honey as well. Got 1.052 gravity. It's been going a month in primary Sunday. I added brettanomcyes to it

 

[m00ps]

You could add the honey when you add the brett to speed up the conditioning and get a larger amount of wild character quicker

 

[1977Brewer]

Just mashed in on this. I'm doing cane sugar instead of honey, and in true farmhouse style, I added 1 lb of instant rice to the grist. Using Belle Saison because I'm not set up for starters yet. Pretty excited about this one, as I have been focused on American styles exclusively.

Bottled this batch last night. Down to 1.001 from 1.072. Bucket dregs were fantastic. I'll see how it conditions before I'll say I'd brew it again, but I'll most likely be brewing it again.

 

[Trail]

I may have to brew my variant on this again soon! I sub in a little Gambrinus honey malt, and it's sublime. I'm tempted to add some herbs next time a la Saison D'etre instead, though!

Massive props for the recipe, this is what a saison is all about.

 

[1977Brewer]

I can't just let beer sit.

Day 1 carb check. Yes, it's flat. Delicious though.

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[1977Brewer]

I may have to brew my variant on this again soon! I sub in a little Gambrinus honey malt, and it's sublime. I'm tempted to add some herbs next time a la Saison D'etre instead, though!

Massive props for the recipe, this is what a saison is all about.

It's so simple it's silly. This will be a house beer for sure.

 

[klowneyy]

I'm not looking for a huge brettanomcyes taste just a slight finish. I've brewed many sours lately this is my cleanest beer I've brewed in about a year

 

[GeorgiaMead]

Im keggin it up and washin the yeast later today, cant wait to give this a try

 

[bassclefbrewing]

Just had a bottle after they were fermenting for 5 weeks (3 weeks at 63F, 2 weeks in warmer summer temps) and aged it in bottles for 3 weeks. This stuff is unbelievable.

Liked it so much Im brewing a second batch but adding a little sweet orange peel to the boil and racking it over some guava pulp in secondary.

 

[Nico93]

this recipe look so good and i'm going to brew it!
I entered the recipe in beersmith and give me a lot different ibu value, near 50!(same AA%)
the difference i think is all in the FWH calculate, my question is if i have to use your quantities and don't look beersmith or to decrease in order to get your amount of ibu

thanks

 

[bolus14]

I found the same thing with brewers friend, but stick with what's posted, its not bitter at all.

 

[JonM]

Just chiming in here - I have this in a keg right now and it is so, so, so freakin' good. And it pairs beautifully with everything. Awesome.

 

[Wiesty]

As I stated before I think I accidently doubled the sorachi ace on this one putting me around 55-60 IBU....I'm interested to see how it will taste now haha.

 

[bolus14]

Did you add the oz of Sorachi as FWH or later in the boil. The few times of used it I have found as a FWH its smooth and more of the lemon comes out. As a straight 60 mom hop I get more slightly harsh bitterness and not much lemon. As a 5, 10, 15, 20 min hop she's a lovely creature!!!

 

[Wiesty]

FWH as per the directions. Actually it appears as if I completely messed up the hop bill on this brew haha

FWH 1 oz Sorachi Ace

15 min .5 oz fuggle
10 min .5 oz fuggle
5 min 1 oz fuggle

 

[MEPNew2Brew]

My apologies in advance. I suspect the answers to my questions are somewhere in the 151 prior pages (about 50 of which I have been through).

Which Caramunich does the original recipe use: I (31-38L), II (42-49L) or III (53-60.5)? Does any maltster make "caramunich" other than Weyermann? I understand that Wyermann has a trademark on Caramunich and every maltster is different. But, are there others that make a something very similar? I have read that C-60 is similar, but not really a substitute. It appears that Dingemans may make something similar.

I have my starter of 3711 going and I look forward to brewing Saturday!

Thank you.

 

[Wiesty]

Check out this malt substitute chart

http://www.brew.is/files/malt.html

 

[orangemen5]

My apologies in advance. I suspect the answers to my questions are somewhere in the 151 prior pages (about 50 of which I have been through).

Which Caramunich does the original recipe use: I (31-38L), II (42-49L) or III (53-60.5)? Does any maltster make "caramunich" other than Weyermann? I understand that Wyermann has a trademark on Caramunich and every maltster is different. But, are there others that make a something very similar? I have read that C-60 is similar, but not really a substitute. It appears that Dingemans may make something similar.

I have my starter of 3711 going and I look forward to brewing Saturday!

Thank you.

The OP mentions he used caramunich 1 (38-31L) in a previous post.

 

[1977Brewer]

My apologies in advance. I suspect the answers to my questions are somewhere in the 151 prior pages (about 50 of which I have been through).

Which Caramunich does the original recipe use: I (31-38L), II (42-49L) or III (53-60.5)? Does any maltster make "caramunich" other than Weyermann? I understand that Wyermann has a trademark on Caramunich and every maltster is different. But, are there others that make a something very similar? I have read that C-60 is similar, but not really a substitute. It appears that Dingemans may make something similar.

I have my starter of 3711 going and I look forward to brewing Saturday!

Thank you.

My LHBS only has II. It made a great beer. Go either way with it and it will still be good.

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[MEPNew2Brew]

Thank you both for the replies! Going to the LHBS this afternoon.

 

[Bobo1898]

60 minute boil with Pilsner? Not concerned with DMS?

I assume if I did a 90 minute boil with this, my FWH would just be 60 minute additions?

 

[bolus14]

Yea, 60 min with Pilsner isn't a problem with how its malted nowadays.

If you did 90 min you'd add the hops at 60, although it might be a little harsher bitterness since FWH smooths it out somewhat.

 

[Bobo1898]

Yea, 60 min with Pilsner isn't a problem with how its malted nowadays.

If you did 90 min you'd add the hops at 60, although it might be a little harsher bitterness since FWH smooths it out somewhat.

If I decide to do 90 minutes, I probably could just lessen the addition at FWH as long as it calculates the same IBUs, right? Or would it not really achieve the same thing?

 

[hanuswalrus]

If I decide to do 90 minutes, I probably could just lessen the addition at FWH as long as it calculates the same IBUs, right? Or would it not really achieve the same thing?

You really wouldn't have to lessen it by much. You might get 1-3, maybe 4 extra IBU from the extra 30 mins. But yeah, you should be fine

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter5-5.html

 

[thorHB]

When I put this recipe in beer smith its estimating 45.2 IBUs. Almost 10 points higher than the recipe. I made sure the %AA for each are correct addition. Any thoughts?

 

[depper]

When I put this recipe in beer smith its estimating 45.2 IBUs. Almost 10 points higher than the recipe. I made sure the %AA for each are correct addition. Any thoughts?

In my opinion, I don't think you'll notice a difference if your IBUs are up a little than the recipe states. I would just go with the original recipe. There's very little, if any, noticeable hop aroma of flavor with this beer (at least that I've noticed when I brewed this....twice). Don't worry about what BeerSmith is saying about the IBUs and brew it....good luck!

Again, this is just my opinion