Conan x WLP644 hybrid

[plazola86]

Is the original page with the info of the yeasts down now? My (work) browser just blocked it saying license expired, despite the fact that work has never blocked this site before. Any thoughts? I wanted to re-read some stuff on there.

Worked for me too, maybe your work is trying to tell you something lol

 

[dryboroughbrewing]

The first (but not last) keg of F1C4 NEIPA was destroyed in fairly rapid order, I gave a few tubes to club members, I'll report back on results when I hear back from them. F1 is spinning up for use tomorrow, thanks again!

 

[suregork]

Is the original page with the info of the yeasts down now? My (work) browser just blocked it saying license expired, despite the fact that work has never blocked this site before. Any thoughts? I wanted to re-read some stuff on there.

If you are talking about my blog, it should be working 😊

 

[TravelingLight]

If you are talking about my blog, it should be working 😊

Got it now! Thanks. Stupid government computers...

 

[isomerization]

If you are talking about my blog, it should be working 😊

Hey pal, you planning on making a new batch to mail out soon? 😎

 

[suregork]

Hey pal, you planning on making a new batch to mail out soon? 😎

I'm hoping to grow up a new batch towards the end of May, but I can't promise anything

 

[plazola86]

Thanks to @GRBC for sending me these I was finally able to do a side by side comparison. To my surprise there wasn't much of a difference, at least not a major one that I picked up on. I would have been able to tell them apart due to the sweeter taste but I was hoping for big ester differences.

H1 - Was a bit darker
H1/C4 - Sweeter/maltier.

 

[plazola86]

Just got done brewing a NE IPA that I'm going to ferment with 3rd generation Conan. I don't bottle but I'll post if anything weird happens.

I don't bottle its still fresh but no issues with third gen Conan. Probably one of my best beers yet. The look,smell,taste everything is all there.
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[kjb290]

Shout out to TravelingLight for hooking me up with the F1 and F1/C4 strains. Here is my rye, NEIPA fermented with the F1 that I dyed pink with beet puree. It looks and tastes like grapefruit juice. Here it is pictured before carbing.

 

[TravelingLight]

Shout out to TravelingLight for hooking me up with the F1 and F1/C4 strains. Here is my rye, NEIPA fermented with the F1 that I dyed pink with beet puree. It looks and tastes like grapefruit juice. Here it is pictured before carbing.View attachment 400119

Right on brother!! NEIPA...beet puree...sounds like one of Tonsmiere's batches! How did you incorporate the beet puree? And what does it lend to the flavor profile?

 

[kjb290]

Right on brother!! NEIPA...beet puree...sounds like one of Tonsmiere's batches! How did you incorporate the beet puree? And what does it lend to the flavor profile?

Pureed a can of beets. Added 2 cups of water and boiled. Strained the liquid, cooled, and added with yeast pitch. This resulted in no residual favor from the beets. It's pretty amazing the difference between the wort flavor and the beer flavor. I had 13% flaked rye in the grain bill. The wort was pretty spicy. No rye flavor left at all. It's all grapefruit.

 

[popquizkid]

I would definitely be interested on giving this hybrid a try if you have any extra around. Sounds interesting and would make a great variation on my NEIPA recipe.

 

[isomerization]

I'm using F1/C4 in a pineapple Berliner (dry hopped with Vic Secret) next week, will report back

 

[TheHairyHop]

I honestly think that F1 suits a west coast IPA better than a NEIPA. The fruit goes well with bitterness and a crisp body.

 

[TravelingLight]

I honestly think that F1 suits a west coast IPA better than a NEIPA. The fruit goes well with bitterness and a crisp body.

I love both of these yeasts. But I've quit using them in my NEIPAs. I think they flocc too much for the style.

 

[isomerization]

I love both of these yeasts. But I've quit using them in my NEIPAs. I think they flocc too much for the style.

Have you done a side-by-side with the same wort/hopping/etc and different yeasts? I'd be interested to see 1) how much flavor variation you're actually getting and 2) if the yeast dropping out pulls out "juiciness". You can always roll your keg around a bit too, to get everything back in suspension.

 

[TravelingLight]

Have you done a side-by-side with the same wort/hopping/etc and different yeasts? I'd be interested to see 1) how much flavor variation you're actually getting and 2) if the yeast dropping out pulls out "juiciness". You can always roll your keg around a bit too, to get everything back in suspension.

I have not done a SxS yet. But that's on the list this summer. I just know that when I took the same grist and same hop bill and used WLP008, it was much hazier than the F1. I'll report back after doing a SxS. I know EcuPirate did a split batch with the two. But I can't remember if all the other variables were the same. I'll defer to him.

 

[isomerization]

I have not done a SxS yet. But that's on the list this summer. I just know that when I took the same grist and same hop bill and used WLP008, it was much hazier than the F1. I'll report back after doing a SxS. I know EcuPirate did a split batch with the two. But I can't remember if all the other variables were the same. I'll defer to him.

I meant a SxS with a yeast you've used before that didn't drop out, like WLP008 in this example. My preferred NE IPA yeast/base grain combo is 1318/GP, so I'm hoping to test that SxS sometime soon with either of these hybrids.

 

[TravelingLight]

I meant a SxS with a yeast you've used before that didn't drop out, like WLP008 in this example. My preferred NE IPA yeast/base grain combo is 1318/GP, so I'm hoping to test that SxS sometime soon with either of these hybrids.

Ohhhh my bad! Well, I have done sort of a SxS like that. When I brewed a NEIPA with 008, I still had a bomber I bottled off the keg of the previous one done with F1. But it wasn't a fair comparison as the F1 was at least a month old. And it had been in a bottle for roughly a month, but it was pretty damn clear. Not crystal west coast clear, but definitely not NE-hazy.

 

[runs4beer]

I love both of these yeasts. But I've quit using them in my NEIPAs. I think they flocc too much for the style.

In my experiences it's perfect for this style. The attached is a pour from a keg after a week on gas, probably a gallon into the keg. Plenty in suspension to carry over the hops
Cloudy with a Chance of Goo-balls

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[TheHairyHop]

but cloudy isn't the only thing that NEIPAs should have. I did the same recipe with F1 and 1318, and the mouth feel of the 1318 batch was in another league compared to F1.

 

[TravelingLight]

but cloudy isn't the only thing that NEIPAs should have. I did the same recipe with F1 and 1318, and the mouth feel of the 1318 batch was in another league compared to F1.

I just tossed in the first dry hop on the first NEIPA I've used 1318 on. I had been using F1 for a few batches. Then I did one with WLP008 which was my best one yet. So now I'm finally trying to famous NEIPA strain 1318. Anxious to see how it turns out. Should be ready to keg when I get back from CO next week.

 

[isomerization]

I just tossed in the first dry hop on the first NEIPA I've used 1318 on. I had been using F1 for a few batches. Then I did one with WLP008 which was my best one yet. So now I'm finally trying to famous NEIPA strain 1318. Anxious to see how it turns out. Should be ready to keg when I get back from CO next week.

1318 is my go to NE IPA yeast, it's just a bit of a pest to work with. I routinely get massive amounts of krausen (out of nowhere) during fermentation hoping. It is also one that the krausen hangs around longer than you'd expect. Worth it though

 

[TheHairyHop]

I didn't get any krausen issues, but mine was a monster. I reached FG in 4 days .i didn't have enough time to go through a ferm->keg dry hop schedule

 

[isomerization]

I didn't get any krausen issues, but mine was a monster. I reached FG in 4 days .i didn't have enough time to go through a ferm->keg dry hop schedule

I have started pre-loading hops when I pitch too (15-20% of total dry hop), only have an n=1, but I loved how the beer turned out, so we keep doing it.

 

[TheHairyHop]

I have started pre-loading hops when I pitch too (15-20% of total dry hop), only have an n=1, but I loved how the beer turned out, so we keep doing it.

Scott Jannish has a number of fine posts about it. I do a lukewarm hop steep, so I figure that I'm covered. It's amazing though. I once pre ferm dry hopped 4 oz of Columbus in 5 gallons, and after 5 days, I could only taste flowers and lemons. Very interesting

 

[Mer-man]

Scott Jannish has a number of fine posts about it. I do a lukewarm hop steep, so I figure that I'm covered. It's amazing though. I once pre ferm dry hopped 4 oz of Columbus in 5 gallons, and after 5 days, I could only taste flowers and lemons. Very interesting

How long was the steep? And you mean 5 days of fermentation, yes?
What yeast?

 

[runs4beer]

but cloudy isn't the only thing that NEIPAs should have. I did the same recipe with F1 and 1318, and the mouth feel of the 1318 batch was in another league compared to F1.

Nope, appearance possibly the least important really. I get better than normal mouth feel from F1 but haven't done a side by side with the yeasts you've reference. Also, I've only fermented batches with grain bills meant to enhance mouth feel, I do wonder what the actual glycerol production of this hybrid is vs. other yeast appropriate for this style.

 

[TheHairyHop]

How long was the steep? And you mean 5 days of fermentation, yes?
What yeast?

these were two separate batches. I usually throw the hops in at 150ish after chilling and then continue chilling until pitching temps. maybe 20 min?

the pre-ferm dry hop tasting was after 5 days, yes. I'm not saying it's pointless, but that beer certainly wouldn't have tasted like a Columbus hopped IPA. This was with F1.

 

[bb6kid]

Have you compared this to the Yeast Bays Funktown Ale?