American Pale Ale Coldwater 420 - Special Pale Ale

[Chello]

I left half of my attempt on oak chips for 7 days, and it was very good! I had a lot of good feedback from my oaked version.

I also talked to the co-founder of Sweetwater at an event they had there this past weekend and asked him about the hops used. He said they use Centennial for the bittering addition and Cascades for the rest. I then asked him if he would give me the schedule and he kinda laughed and walked away. Oh well, never hurts to ask.

 

[Mutilated1]

I will probably brew this again this weekend, its been a long time since I brewed a Pale Ale and I've already got 3 lagers going.

I think I will probably go with Centennial/Cascade or just Cascades because I still have about 1/2 pound of Cascades in the freezer that need to get used up.

Other than that, the only change I'm planing is to scale the OG back some and shoot for more like 1.045-1.050 range. Try and make it where I can drink 3-4 of them instead of 2.

 

[Cheech]

I love sweetwater so this will be the next thing I brew.

The only problem is that i dont have any CaraAroma. I also noticed that it said to collect about 7.5 to 8 gallons of wort, however my largest kettle is only 8 gallons.

Since i can only boil about 7 gallons or so, should I alter the grain requirements (say use 7/8 of the recommend amount of each grain) or should I keep the grain requirements the same but only collect 7 gallons of wort?

 

[Mutilated1]

I love sweetwater so this will be the next thing I brew.

The only problem is that i dont have any CaraAroma. I also noticed that it said to collect about 7.5 to 8 gallons of wort, however my largest kettle is only 8 gallons.

Since i can only boil about 7 gallons or so, should I alter the grain requirements (say use 7/8 of the recommend amount of each grain) or should I keep the grain requirements the same but only collect 7 gallons of wort?

Not having the CaraAroma isn't anything to worry about - I think you really only need it if you make an extract version. If you make All-Grain it comes out better if you cut way back on the CaraAroma anyway.

Feel free to scale back the recipe some if you want to - if you're going for duplicating/cloning SweetWater 420 this recipe is a bit bigger so there is room to scale back.

 

[Cheech]

Thanks for the great recipe.......it ended up delicious without the CaraAroma.....too bad its all gone now.

 

[johnnyc]

So BeerSmith doesn't give a direct conversion to extract. The Viena and Munich malts don't convert. Will a 30 minute steep work or do I need to do a full hr?

 

[Mutilated1]

Sorry I have no idea, I've never tried to do extract and just steep the grains.

 

[johnnyc]

A buddy of mine tried this recipe and he used Galena for bittering and Cascade for the finishing. I must say his turned out better than mine did.

On the hops swap, was that for the 60 and the 30? Also did he adjust for the IBUs or just use the same amounts? From what I see the Galena AA is 13% and Cascade is around 5.5%.

And I guess I'm going to do a partial mash, mashing all the specialty grains and using all extract instead of any 2-row.

 

[johnnyc]

I'm trying to prep for the weekend and this is what I'm thinking for tweaking the recipe. I tried to keep the IBUs close to the original by playing w/ the ratios. I'm also going to use an english yeast cake I'm racking an ESB off of earlier that day. From my experience 420 has slight fruit/flowery undertones that seem to come from the yeast more than anything else and I think the White Labs Burton's will be interesting and may replicate that.

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - BeerSmith Brewing Software, Recipes, Blog, Wiki and Discussion Forum
Recipe: Coldwater 420
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: Partial Mash
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.41 gal
Estimated OG: 1.066 SG
Estimated Color: 13.0 SRM
Estimated IBU: 44.0 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 60.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 lb Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 64.52 %
1.25 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 13.44 %
1.25 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 13.44 %
0.40 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4.30 %
0.40 lb Caraaroma (130.0 SRM) Grain 4.30 %
0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 21.0 IBU
0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (30 min) Hops 16.2 IBU
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (5 min) (Aroma Hop-SteepHops -

 

[Mutilated1]

On the hops swap, was that for the 60 and the 30? Also did he adjust for the IBUs or just use the same amounts? From what I see the Galena AA is 13% and Cascade is around 5.5%.

sorry I really don't know the answer, all I know about his beer is just what he told me while we were drinking it

 

[arxix]

I'm trying to prep for the weekend and this is what I'm thinking for tweaking the recipe. I tried to keep the IBUs close to the original by playing w/ the ratios. I'm also going to use an english yeast cake I'm racking an ESB off of earlier that day. From my experience 420 has slight fruit/flowery undertones that seem to come from the yeast more than anything else and I think the White Labs Burton's will be interesting and may replicate that.

Hey... Inquiring minds want to know.. how did it turn out? I would LOVE to do this with extract with steeping grains.

Come on... spill the grains, I mean beans.

-ArXiX

 

[johnnyc]

I actually just kegged it Sunday. I had enough co2 to purge it but I'm out so I can't carb it. I'll let you know once I crack it open, hopefully next week.

 

[brewagentjay]

this recipe started out as an extract + steeping grains recipe I got from ALABREW in its original version(s)

Can I get the name of the kit from alabrew? I'd like to start with that kit and steeping grains since I'm a newbie and I do love 420. I hope the alabrew kit is a 5 galllon version as well.

 

[rockinipa]

Can you list what steeping grains and how much extract , and hops was in that kit for the sweetwater clone that you made. Thanks

 

[artbrewer]

WOW, I think this recipe is great. VERY TASTY BEER !!!

 

[MatthewS119]

Making 10 gals today looking good...

 

[J-ROD]

Making 10 gals today looking good...

awesome...Made a 5 gallon batch last night. I switched the 1st cascade addition for Centennial. Hope it turns out well !

 

[Hsmithmathews]

Hey guys,

I'm a brewer at SweetWater. Cloning beers is what got me interested in making this my profession. Isn't it fun? Some of you are closer to our recipe than others! I'm glad to see you all like our beer enough to try to replicate it. Keep up the good work!

I'm actually in the brew house right now brewing a 50 bbl batch of HG420. smells great!

 

[brewagentjay]

Hey guys,

I'm a brewer at SweetWater. Cloning beers is what got me interested in making this my profession. Isn't it fun? Some of you are closer to our recipe than others! I'm glad to see you all like our beer enough to try to replicate it. Keep up the good work!

I'm actually in the brew house right now brewing a 50 bbl batch of HG420. smells great!

Yes I love my clone but I still like to buy the real thing and drink one of mine then one of yours I guess.......Hey next time I'm in ATL can I get a reall tour...I know they do tours short ones........

 

[Hsmithmathews]

Sure thing, email me at [email protected] and we can work it out.

 

[RC0032]

oh...subscribe!

 

[qball]

Got the ingredients to brew this from the Brewmasters Warehouse. Brewing an AG version today. This is my 1st AG brew so I cant wait to see the results.

 

[Yooper]

Got the ingredients to brew this from the Brewmasters Warehouse. Brewing an AG version today. This is my 1st AG brew so I cant wait to see the results.

Let us know! I'm brewing a version that is close to Mutilated1's.

One of the things I remember loving about Sweetwater was the great mouthfeel. It's not sweet, but it's richer in the mouthfeel than other APAs, if I remember right. (The only time I've had it was in Februrary in Florida) So, I'm going to use some washed Denny's Favorite 50 yeast to see if I can recreate that mouthfeel.

 

[J-ROD]

kegged my first attempt at 420 this evening and the sample I pulled from the carboy was great.

 

[cbiblis]

Deleted. Question answered.

 

[wmarkw]

I'm thinking about giving this a go! Had some 420 last night and did a search and found this recipe. Any others in the last year or so brewed this?

 

[etcetrah]

Yes, I brewed a variant of this last year and it was one of the best beers I've made so far. I've had 420 and liked it, but I've never tried them side by side to compare. My version was a partial mash (152F for 45min) with:

1 1/2 lbs. Munich
1 lb. American 2-row
1 lb. Vienna
1/2 lb. Crystal 60

and enough light liquid malt extract to bring it to an OG of around 1.050. Used Columbus hops for bittering and Cascade for flavor/aroma to about 40 IBUs Tinseth or 64 IBUs using the Rager formula! I'm not sure which one is most accurate, but it wasn't TOO hoppy or bitter.

I used Danstar Nottingham yeast and probably fermented in the mid-high 60s (I didn't write it down). Hope it goes well!

 

[wmarkw]

Cool sounds good. Want to do an All Grain Batch though.

 

[etcetrah]

All grain should be basically the same recipe, except drop the LME and add enough 2-row in your mash so the OG of your wort ends up around 1.050. Good luck!

 

[moneymanmike]

Yes, I brewed a variant of this last year and it was one of the best beers I've made so far. I've had 420 and liked it, but I've never tried them side by side to compare. My version was a partial mash (152F for 45min) with:

1 1/2 lbs. Munich
1 lb. American 2-row
1 lb. Vienna
1/2 lb. Crystal 60

and enough light liquid malt extract to bring it to an OG of around 1.050. Used Columbus hops for bittering and Cascade for flavor/aroma to about 40 IBUs Tinseth or 64 IBUs using the Rager formula! I'm not sure which one is most accurate, but it wasn't TOO hoppy or bitter.

I used Danstar Nottingham yeast and probably fermented in the mid-high 60s (I didn't write it down). Hope it goes well!

I am looking to brew this as my first PM brew. How much water did you mash with?