Cloning New England Brewing Company's Gandhi-bot

[Remmy]

You'll have to brew this with Conan some day.

 

[nukebrewer]

You'll have to brew this with Conan some day.

Definitely. I need to get some more Conan, though, I'll have to trade for some Heady or get some off of you if you still have some.

 

[Remmy]

I have four jars of it.

 

[m750]

I don't know about any of you, but I get a strong allium (garlic / onion) taste and aroma from this beer, which to me usually signifies the use of Summit hops.
my .02.
AO

 

[Remmy]

I don't know about any of you, but I get a strong allium (garlic / onion) taste and aroma from this beer, which to me usually signifies the use of Summit hops. my .02. AO

I've had Gandhi at least 50 times. No onion or garlic. Mozzarella and Pepperoni, yes.

 

[BGBC]

I don't know about any of you, but I get a strong allium (garlic / onion) taste and aroma from this beer, which to me usually signifies the use of Summit hops.
my .02.
AO

I've never had Gandhi before, but I've gotten similar flavors from Simcoe beers before (Weyerbacher Double Simcoe).

 

[LoloMT7]

Alright you boys have roped me into doing this clone also. I'm going to give it a try. My LHBS only has Simcoe, and Columbus in Leaf and with that much hops I won't get any Beer! They don't carry any apollo at all and I want to use it in my clone attempt. I ordered Simcoe & Columbus Pellets 6oz each from www.williamsbrewing.com and I ordered 8oz of Apollo pellets off of ebay as everywhere else I could find them had only leaf or were overpriced. After seeing Nukes notes on color I think I will back off on the crystal 40 a bit and do 1 lb. Probably won't be able to brew this until next weekend once the hops arrive. Can't wait :rockin:

Edit: Once I get it brewed I'll probably need to find someone to send me some of the real thing so I can side by side!

 

[Remmy]

When I test mine, I will be getting a growler of fresh Gandhi from NEBCO.

 

[nukebrewer]

When I test mine, I will be getting a growler of fresh Gandhi from NEBCO.

Good call. The can I used for my side by side last night was 5 days old.

 

[Remmy]

I got some today but unfortunately, my clone isn't ready. I hate that NEBCO runs out of Gandhi so quickly. They're gonna have to pull an Alchemist some day. :rockin: Well, they ARE moving.

Wish I could get Lolo some fresh stuff.

 

[JohnnyO]

I got some today but unfortunately, my clone isn't ready. I hate that NEBCO runs out of Gandhi so quickly. They're gonna have to pull an Alchemist some day. :rockin: Well, they ARE moving.

Wish I could get Lolo some fresh stuff.

I was there on Friday.They put a new keg on when I walked in. It kicked less than 20 minutes later.

I ordered the supplies to do this. Probably won't be brewing it until around Thanksgiving though. Looking forward to it.

I'm going to drop the C40 down to a pound, I think. Also going to be brewing this with Conan yeast.

 

[drez77]

I've had Gandhi at least 50 times. No onion or garlic. Mozzarella and Pepperoni, yes.

The first time I have Gandhi, out of the pain tall-boy cans with the sticker on them, I hated it because of what I felt was an onion taste that I attributed to Summit. It must have been me that day or an off flavor because I have had Gandhi many times since and never got the flavor again, included the cans I got at the brewery Friday that were 2 days old. I will be giving the recipe a go for sure.

 

[LoloMT7]

Wish I could get Lolo some fresh stuff.

So you can still get cans but they just aren't as fresh?

 

[Remmy]

So you can still get cans but they just aren't as fresh?

Cans are pretty fresh. They sell-out quick. I'd say 3-4 days tops.

I have also been to NEBCO on more than one occasion where they've had to tap a fresh keg of Gandhi. It's awesome.

 

[LoloMT7]

Cans are pretty fresh. They sell-out quick. I'd say 3-4 days tops.

I have also been to NEBCO on more than one occasion where they've had to tap a fresh keg of Gandhi. It's awesome.

Ok 10-4 I'll let ya know once i've brewed the clone and maybe we can work something out.

 

[Remmy]

Ok 10-4 I'll let ya know once i've brewed the clone and maybe we can work something out.

If you're real and I can ship to a real address, no problem.

 

[nukebrewer]

I think I'm going to do something crazy for the next brew of this. I read a few articles about getting massive hop flavor and aroma without dry hopping, but have never tried it myself. So I'm thinking I'll go out on a limb and take the dry hops, all 5 oz of them, and split them between late boil and aroma steep. This jacks up the calculated IBUs to 140+, but I am confident this won't be reflected in perceived bitterness because it's almost entirely in the late hops. I think this will really brighten up the hop character. While what I said was true about the flavor and aromas being almost the same, though less intense, I neglected to mention that I didn't find the aroma to be very crisp, the characters of the individual hops as distinct as they are in Gandhi. This is what I aim to fix by venturing into uncharted waters with this hopping technique.

 

[RedOktoberfest]

I was there on Friday.They put a new keg on when I walked in. It kicked less than 20 minutes later.

I ordered the supplies to do this. Probably won't be brewing it until around Thanksgiving though. Looking forward to it.

I'm going to drop the C40 down to a pound, I think. Also going to be brewing this with Conan yeast.

Were you the guy that showed me the Ghoulship bottle? Didn't realize my howler fill was perfect timing!

 

[Remmy]

I think I'm going to do something crazy for the next brew of this. I read a few articles about getting massive hop flavor and aroma without dry hopping, but have never tried it myself. So I'm thinking I'll go out on a limb and take the dry hops, all 5 oz of them, and split them between late boil and aroma steep. This jacks up the calculated IBUs to 140+, but I am confident this won't be reflected in perceived bitterness because it's almost entirely in the late hops. I think this will really brighten up the hop character. While what I said was true about the flavor and aromas being almost the same, though less intense, I neglected to mention that I didn't find the aroma to be very crisp, the characters of the individual hops as distinct as they are in Gandhi. This is what I aim to fix by venturing into uncharted waters with this hopping technique.

Interesting. The smell out of my airlock is stronger than that of Gandhi. I steeped for about 45 min. And dry-hopped with 2 oz of each type of hop.

 

[nukebrewer]

Interesting. The smell out of my airlock is stronger than that of Gandhi. I steeped for about 45 min. And dry-hopped with 2 oz of each type of hop.

We'll see what happens once it's fully carbed, but for now I'd like to give this method a try and what better beer try it on than Gandhi?

 

[JohnnyO]

Were you the guy that showed me the Ghoulship bottle? Didn't realize my howler fill was perfect timing!

No, that wasn't me. I was there with another guy, showing him around as it was his first time there. Probably around 4pm or so.

We'll see what happens once it's fully carbed, but for now I'd like to give this method a try and what better beer try it on than Gandhi?

I did a whirlpool steep on my last IPA and was hooked. It gave such great aroma! I do have a pump and recirculating arm that I use for whirlpooling, so I'm sure that helps a great deal.

 

[nukebrewer]

Brewed up Gandhi-bot clone 2.0 today. Pitched 6 hours ago and the yeast are already going to town. I rarely time these things properly but I was able to pitch my starter at high kreusen today, so that's pretty cool.

 

[LoloMT7]

Brewed up Gandhi-bot clone 2.0 today. Pitched 6 hours ago and the yeast are already going to town. I rarely time these things properly but I was able to pitch my starter at high kreusen today, so that's pretty cool.

Nice just got my Simcoe, Columbus, and Apollo hops in the mail today :rockin:

 

[Remmy]

My first attempt came in at 1.018 (7.9% ABV) ****. I am pissed off but the beer smells and tastes amazing. Can't wait until it's carbed.

 

[LoloMT7]

My first attempt came in at 1.018 (7.9% ABV) ****. I am pissed off but the beer smells and tastes amazing. Can't wait until it's carbed.

That's not terrible though man. Did you use a big starter of the Conan yeast? I know my Conan Simcoe Vienna awhile ago ended up with a higher FG then I was hoping for also but others have been reporting very good attenuation with it.

 

[Remmy]

I pitched a 1.5L starter of Conan.

I'd like to send you one once it's carbed and I taste it. It was slowly bubbling when I dry-hopped (think I secondaried probably 3-4 days too soon). Not enough yeast in suspension to finish-off the beer quicker.

 

[nukebrewer]

My first attempt came in at 1.018 (7.9% ABV) ****. I am pissed off but the beer smells and tastes amazing. Can't wait until it's carbed.

What has your attenuation been with previous uses of Conan? You got almost 76% apparent which is typical for Conan from what I've read.

 

[Remmy]

This is the first time I have used it.

 

[LoloMT7]

I pitched a 1.5L starter of Conan.

I'd like to send you one once it's carbed and I taste it. It was slowly bubbling when I dry-hopped (think I secondaried probably 3-4 days too soon). Not enough yeast in suspension to finish-off the beer quicker.

I don't think that I'll be able to brew my Gandhi-bot clone this weekend but I will probably brew it next weekend. We will have to trade some for sure!

 

[Remmy]

I don't think that I'll be able to brew my Gandhi-bot clone this weekend but I will probably brew it next weekend. We will have to trade some for sure!

Def.

You'll need some Gandhi to have side-by-side with your clone and my clone, I reckon.