Can you Brew It recipe for Stone Arrogant Bastard

[reddskinnfan]

Brew day is on for this Saturday. Weather is ready to cooperate!

Will post brew day notes when I have a chance.

So, grain temp 62f. Pot temp 60f. Strike water to 160.5f. Dough-in temp settled right at 149f.

Recirculating mash and heating sparge water as I write this post.

Pulling out hop spider and getting hops ready. Color of recirculating wort looks promising!!

 

[reddskinnfan]

Proof of brew day!

 

[reddskinnfan]

First runnings!

Sparge in a moment, then Pre-boil gravity reading.

 

[sandyeggoxj]

Pretty color! What is your grist ratio?

 

[reddskinnfan]

Pretty color! What is your grist ratio?

85% 2-Row
15% CaraAroma

P.S. My first runnings gravity, per refractometer, was 1.085. My Pre-boil gravity is 1.057 (expected 1.054). I had .25 gallon more volume than I expected (miscalculation on strike water amount), too.

 

[sandyeggoxj]

Sorry, water:grist ratio

 

[reddskinnfan]

Sorry, water:grist ratio

1.25 qt/lb

 

[reddskinnfan]

20 mins 'til I get my chill on!

Come on Arrogant Bastard, finish up!!!!

 

[reddskinnfan]

I put that Arrogant Bastard in his place... right next to another 25 gallons (an IPA, Belma Blonde and an English Cider!

 

[stonebrewer]

Save me a taste, bro! From tasting that grain, I think you might get real damn close. Drinking a year old clone of Alaskan Amber that might be the best beer I have ever brewed. Wow what a nice confluence of grain, yeast, and hops!

 

[TrickyDick]

Save me a taste, bro! From tasting that grain, I think you might get real damn close. Drinking a year old clone of Alaskan Amber that might be the best beer I have ever brewed. Wow what a nice confluence of grain, yeast, and hops!

I'm looking forward to hear his results as well. very excited, and I will echo the agreement on the Alaskan Amber - its a damn good beer....

TD

 

[ultravista]

How do you like fermenting in the sanke? How do you clean and sanitize?

 

[reddskinnfan]

How do you like fermenting in the sanke? How do you clean and sanitize?

Love it. Use PBW and the Sanke version of the "Carboy Cleaner."

 

[ultravista]

Do you use any special hardware in the fermenting Sanke? Would you mind posting photos of the rig?

 

[reddskinnfan]

Do you use any special hardware in the fermenting Sanke? Would you mind posting photos of the rig?

Just an orange carboy cap, with racking cane inserted in the middle opening. The cap fits on the opening (tight fit). I just attach a blow off tube to other carboy cap arm.

 

[ultravista]

Have you considered opening the top (ala Keggle) and using a lid? My keggle lid is glass and I've often thought about fermenting in that. If you can ferment in a bucket, why not a keg with a lid. For 5 gallon batches, a pony keg would be great.

Do you foresee any downsides?

 

[TungstenBeer]

So, I've followed this thread for a long time, and now I can finally post in it!

In February, I brewed an "Arrogant Bastard inspired" brew. Not really attempting an exact clone (case in point: the yeast selection), but I wanted to start with something similar and then go from there as I evolve it into my own recipe down the line. It could use a little more bitterness, and possibly a heavier dose at the end of the boil as well. BUT, it turned out to be an outstanding beer and after all, that's the point!

90% 2-row
7% Special B
3% English Crystal 135/165

1 oz Chinook (14%) FWH
1.25 oz Chinook 60 minutes
0.25 oz Chinook 10 mins
0.25 oz Chinook 5 mins
1 oz Chinook whirlpool

WY1217 West Coast IPA

 

[reddskinnfan]

Have you considered opening the top (ala Keggle) and using a lid? My keggle lid is glass and I've often thought about fermenting in that. If you can ferment in a bucket, why not a keg with a lid. For 5 gallon batches, a pony keg would be great.

Do you foresee any downsides?

Unless you could ensure an airtight seal, I would advise against it.

That said, I have seen kegs that have been cut and plexi installed on them with a ring to alow them to be sealed. It would take a damn good fabricator though.

 

[fixitoscar]

I didn't know there was a 4th attempt.
I finally brewed my version last weekend.
5 gal batch
87.8 2row
9.5% c150
2.7 c75
mashed at 149 for 75 min.
90 min boil
all chinook
fwh .75oz
60min .75oz
20min .5 oz
and .25 oz at 15, 10, 5, 0, min
thanks srtonebrewer for that hop schedule.

wlp007 at 69-70

c150 is a little hard to get online. Only place i saw that had it was austin homebrew.

I'll post results when its ready.

here are the results from my brew. first a pic

Sorry for the pic I wish I could do a better pic. I want to build some sort of light box to get a better feel for the srm of beers that I brew.

Now to the notes.

Color is off. too light
That first hop slap in the face that AB gives you is not near strong enough in my beer. Also the strong lingering hop finish that AB has is not strong enough in mine either. I would say mine has a better nose, but i'm sure thats just from being fresh.
The head on mine is a light tan color, the head on AB has more of an orange color to it.
Malt taste on mine has a lighter crystal malt sweetness that comes through. The c150 toast is waaay in that back.
AB after I warmed it up and degassed it has a darker malt sweetness.

Tastes good, but not AB. I think I'm on the right track with the crystal malts I chose. With some tweaks to the malt bill and hopping I think I can get it much closer on the next try. Like everyone has said. These attempts still make good tasting beer. l


My planned hop changes are going to be taking the fwh additon of .75 oz and the 60 min addition of .75 oz and making them 90 min. I will also add another .5oz So that brings me too 2 oz at 90 mins. This should up the bitterness bite that I want. Also it needs to help balance out my malt change.
Next is adding more late hops. Hard to over do it here. i think adding .75 oz to the 0 min addition making it 1 oz. will help with that late hop addition character.
my malt change is going to be add more c150 to get the color i'm looking for. i havnt determined how much I want to add yet. I'm going to leave the c75 alone.

 

[TrickyDick]

here are the results from my brew. first a pic

Sorry for the pic I wish I could do a better pic. I want to build some sort of light box to get a better feel for the srm of beers that I brew.



Now to the notes.



Color is off. too light

That first hop slap in the face that AB gives you is not near strong enough in my beer. Also the strong lingering hop finish that AB has is not strong enough in mine either. I would say mine has a better nose, but i'm sure thats just from being fresh.

The head on mine is a light tan color, the head on AB has more of an orange color to it.

Malt taste on mine has a lighter crystal malt sweetness that comes through. The c150 toast is waaay in that back.

AB after I warmed it up and degassed it has a darker malt sweetness.



Tastes good, but not AB. I think I'm on the right track with the crystal malts I chose. With some tweaks to the malt bill and hopping I think I can get it much closer on the next try. Like everyone has said. These attempts still make good tasting beer. l





My planned hop changes are going to be taking the fwh additon of .75 oz and the 60 min addition of .75 oz and making them 90 min. I will also add another .5oz So that brings me too 2 oz at 90 mins. This should up the bitterness bite that I want. Also it needs to help balance out my malt change.

Next is adding more late hops. Hard to over do it here. i think adding .75 oz to the 0 min addition making it 1 oz. will help with that late hop addition character.

my malt change is going to be add more c150 to get the color i'm looking for. i havnt determined how much I want to add yet. I'm going to leave the c75 alone.

Thanks for sharing,

I followed the same hop schedule as you did and felt them same. Next time I do this, I am doubling all hop additions and I am cranking the psi on the boil kettle to 4 for a hard boil and better extraction.

I think that there is a pinch of chocolate malt in AB. My last brew had a sweet finish though I hit my target FG, which I think is from the very small amount of special B I used. I think the roasty notes are from chocolate malt. I also foolishly put some special roast in mine as well.

If I had more time to brew, I'd have brewed version 2.0 already,

TD





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[crusader1612]

Looking at brewing this on the weekend.
However Can't get any nottingham.... I'd prefer to use dry yeast, as its cheap as chips Here.
Has anyone done this beer with Mangrove Jacks M07 British Ale?

 

[TrickyDick]

More importantly, what is the grain bill looking like?


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[crusader1612]

More importantly, what is the grain bill looking like?


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Using the nice and simple 90/10 pale/spec B with M07, adding some Acid malt for pH. using mostly the hop schedule, but using 50g @ F/O instead of the 25g suggested.

 

[TrickyDick]

Let us know how it compares. I really don't think there is any special B in the real AB. I did before I brewed my version, but not afterward. I also think it's more than one specialty malt they use, at least now.


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[reddskinnfan]

Sorry all.... had to have emergency surgery is gonna lay me up for a few more weeks. However, as soon as I get a chance I will transfer the AB clone attempt to two cases of bombers and a 5g corny keg.

Excited to see if the CaraAroma is the missing link!

 

[gmtech825]

brewed a clone recipe with special-b,aromatic and biscuit before finding this thread...oh well

 

[fixitoscar]

ok here is my 2nd version of this. I'm really enjoying drinking my version 1. This one should be a lot closer.
upping color by 3 srm by adding more c150, upping bittering for more bite. upping finishing hops for more late hop character. Also slightly higher ferment temps for a little alcohol taste.
I'll brew this this weekend.

1.077 og @ 75% eff.
wlp 007
srm 24.5
111 ibu
84.5% domestic 2 row
11.9% c150
2.7% c75
5 oz hops all chinook

2 oz @ 90 min.
.25 oz @20 min.
.25 oz @ 15 min.
.5 oz @ 10 min.
.5 oz @ 5 min.
1.5 oz @ 0 min.

 

[ultravista]

fixitoscar - let us know how it turns out.

 

[EineProsit]

Brewing this this weekend.

 

[EineProsit]

Ok it's in the fermenter Great brew day. OG ended up 6 points higher than expected due to a better crush and improved procedures. Thanks goes out to Beer smith and the "5 steps to improved efficiency" that will help me be more consistent. Hydrometer sample already taste like SAB. Woo :rockin:hoo.