Can you Brew It recipe for Lagunitas Little Sumpin Sumpin

[cwheel]

Sorry, never posted on the results. I have still yet to do a side by side comparison, but I've been saving a Lil Sumpin Sumpin for this purpose.

Overall, the beer turned out nicely. Color looks about the same, but Lagunita's clarity is much better since they filter. Mine continues to be cloudy even though I'm down to the last few beers in the keg.

I believe mine got down to 1.016, but it still doesn't quite taste as dry as the real thing. Mine is sweeter, you can detect the alcohol more, and it's a little rougher around the edges, but the taste and especially the aroma are pretty close.

From now on, when I'm brewing the Lagunitas beers, I think I'll continue to caramalize the first runnings. I'll also keep using lots of gypsum.

I'll post a side-by-side comparison this weekend if I get a chance.

 

[mux]

I can't believe there's no citra in this.

 

[Pezedorado]

Ive brewed this twice. Once with London ESB and another time with Persica (WLP 299) to get more apricot. The persica was a fail. This finished way too dry for the hops. The ESB finished very close but was missing the stone fruitiness. Ill repeat with the ESB and try some apricot extract. I just dont have confidence I get achieve that flavor with the grain bill.

The late hop schedule is on the money. Early hops, as you might expect are somewhat flexible in my observation. With the long list of small amounts, I just added what I had on hand. I tried to maintain the variety, but switched based on AA rather than flavor and aroma profiles.

Hope this helps other Sumpin Sumpin lovers.

 

[enricocoron]

I just drank this beer for the first time and was blown away. So much better than Lagunitas IPA. Immediately you could tell it had been dry hopped with Amarillo and Simcoe (as it reminded me of Duet from Alpine), and I thought there was some wheat but no way would I have guessed that much. I also would not have guessed the WLP002 yeast was used, I would have thought a west coast US strain. What surprises me from this CYBI recipe is that the IBUs seem to be quite a bit above 40 and also it seems a little drier than the suggested 1.016 that has popped up in the thread. Maybe a tad of sugar if the OG is to be kept at 1.07 or higher?

 

[lockwom]

I managed to hit 1.070 using the exact grain bill they designed for 6 gallons. Brewed with RO water constructed to approximately match Mosher's Ideal Pale Ale water profile (closer to Tasty's with a calmer sodium balance), without any alkaline additions. No mash pH modification necessary since it hit 5.3 (room temp). Looking forward to seeing those hops shine, as I feel the high sulfate levels will be crucial.

First, for the people who hit 1.016 for their FG, did they start at 1.070? I know White Labs claims WLP002 has low attenuation, but perhaps this recipe's colder pitch and progressive warming lets it attenuate more than normal (diacetyl resting aside). Even Lil Sumpin's bottle claims 1.076 OG with 7.5% ABV, clearly higher than 70% attenuation. Either way, I took notes on their radio program saying that WLP002 was imperative because of the high flocculation, and it's violently fermenting away using a 2L starter. I'm guessing their brewhouse strain derived from WLP002 is more attenuative while still flocculent.

Second, nobody commented on the torrified wheat. It was like grinding rocks, my power drill tossed my mill around! I had to temporarily mill that with the handle breaking a sweat, and return to the drill for the rest of the grain bill. Next time, I think I'll interspersethe torrified kernels throughout milling.

Planning on cold crashing with some gelatin after primary so that I can reduce potential hazing that this 50% wheat bill offers. Then I'll warm up and dry hop.

Just wanted to ask some questions and throw in my two cents. Not only is this beer spectacular (my wife loves it too), but I love how it seems to challenge standard IBU and attenuation assumptions... Since I won't filter like Lagunitas, I'm hoping it's only slightly hazy from the dry hops, and has slightly better head retention from all that unfiltered wheat.

Picture attached, about 24 hrs after pitching.

 

[cwheel]

Hope it turns out well. I'm planning to brew this again in another 2 weeks. I think I hit 1.070 for my last effort...I just brewed the Lagunitas Brown Shugga clone, and they are very specific that they use the high flocculation Wyeast English Ale (assumed to be 1968). Both Lagunitas and Tasty got 75% attenuation. I think that yeast (same as WLP002) is very hit or miss in terms of attenuation. My Brown Shugga clone is about done fermenting with a 2L starter, and I'm afraid I've only hit about 69% attenuation, whereas Lagunitas is hitting 75%+. Maybe they just pitch more yeast or, like you mentioned, have a house strain of sorts. I might have to make a starter of WLP001 and pitch it to bring my Brown Shugga down closer to 5 or 6 plato.

Anyway, hope you enjoy the beer. I've never heard of using gelatin post primary but pre dry hop. Keep in mind that with the quantity of dry hops for this beer, you're going to get haze from that as well. Are you going to use gelatin twice?

 

[acidrain23]

Does this recipe then throw out the assumption that too many different hop varieites lead to "muddy" hop profile in the finished product?

 

[cwheel]

The dry hop profile for this beer is spot on to the taste and aroma of the real thing. Definitely a good dry hopping selection, and I don't think it's "muddy" at all.

 

[lockwom]

I'm only planning on a single finings treatment. I only recently experimented with gelatin on a Kolsch I just made, and the results were spectacular (still bottle conditioning). However, when reading about finings, I kept finding stories where people lost significant dryhop aroma after gelatin, so I'm hoping to precipitate chill haze and see how dryhops haze in isolation.

I did collect a ton of trub with irish moss from the boil, and this yeast flocculates so much my starter looked like a snow globe... but I'm preemptively preventing the almost-guaranteed chill haze from all this wheat. Unless someone else has better experience... I also kept reading about people using around 1 tbsp of gelatin, while 1/2 tsp apparently suffices. Possibly less! Has anybody used a reasonable amount of gelatin after dryhopping without significant aroma loss?

As for dryhop muddying, I can't see that possibility when you contrast something piney like simcoe with all of the citrus options (orange, grapefruit, etc).

 

[lockwom]

Both Lagunitas and Tasty got 75% attenuation. I think that yeast (same as WLP002) is very hit or miss in terms of attenuation. My Brown Shugga clone is about done fermenting with a 2L starter, and I'm afraid I've only hit about 69% attenuation, whereas Lagunitas is hitting 75%+.

Just measured after about 5 days in primary. Refractometer went from 17 to 9 brix, or 1.07 to 1.014 according to NB's calculator. That's 80% apparent attenuation, so perhaps my mash cooled well below 150 F...

 

[mn_rookie]

Does anyone know where to find, or can help calculate, an extract recipe for this? I'm a newer brewer/rookie so I'm not set up for all grain but absolutely NEED to try this. Haha. I want this in my carboy so bad! Any help is appreciated!

 

[Brew-Jay]

Does anyone know where to find, or can help calculate, an extract recipe for this? I'm a newer brewer/rookie so I'm not set up for all grain but absolutely NEED to try this. Haha. I want this in my carboy so bad! Any help is appreciated!

Look at the first post in this thread - it's there. If you need any help with adjustments or substitutions, there are several tips throughout the thread or just ask. I plan on brewing this one this coming weekend too, so now I will have to post results.

 

[HanzerBiscuit]

I love Lil Sumpin Sumpin.

couple of questions

Has anyone done this with Pacman? I have a healthy amount of pac in the keezer ready to go. I could do 1275 Thames, S04, or Dennys 50 if those would be better.

Also I'm going to sub out a few of the hops but the grain bill and mash temps are staying the same.

How does this look for a Lil Sumpin Else?

11.00 g Nugget [13.80 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 7 14.8 IBUs
4.00 g Mosaic [12.30 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 8 4.8 IBUs
8.00 g Fuggles [5.10 %] - Boil 45.0 min Hop 9 3.1 IBUs
14.20 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 10 11.7 IBUs
14.20 g Simcoe [14.10 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 11 12.7 IBUs
10.00 g Fuggles [5.10 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 12 2.1 IBUs
10.00 g Amarillo Gold [9.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 14 2.8 IBUs
28.30 g Mosaic [12.30 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 15 5.7 IBUs


42.50 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
42.50 g Mosaic [12.30 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 18 0.0 IBUs
42.50 g Simcoe [14.10 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
28.30 g Amarillo Gold [9.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs

 

[Brew-Jay]

Look at the first post in this thread - it's there. If you need any help with adjustments or substitutions, there are several tips throughout the thread or just ask. I plan on brewing this one this coming weekend too, so now I will have to post results.

Sorry. I misread your question. To convert this recipe to extract you would want to use 50/50 light dry malt extract and wheat malt extract. To get the 1.072 OG in a 5 gallon batch then you need to use a total of just over 8 lbs (4 lbs light, 4lbs wheat). You might also want to steep about 3 or 4 oz crystal 40 for color. I think that sounds about right.

 

[hopstupid]

You might find a few clues in the video Lagunitas made for Little Sumpin Sumpin

 

[MMJfan]

This is a recipe I'm going to be trying soon! I just had my first LSS over the weekend and it was damn tasty. Tasty enough that I told my wife I would have to find a way to brew it and this recipe looks like the winner!

 

[roflomingo]

Does anyone have the BYO version of this recipe? I am brewing the CYBI version this weekend but would like to compare. Thanks!

 

[LoloMT7]

Look at the first post in this thread - it's there. If you need any help with adjustments or substitutions, there are several tips throughout the thread or just ask. I plan on brewing this one this coming weekend too, so now I will have to post results.

Brew-Jay how did your batch turn out?

 

[Brew-Jay]

Brew-Jay how did your batch turn out?

It was pretty darn delicious. The color was too dark (roasted the wheat too long I think) and the flavor was not spot on, but the aroma was very Lagunitas-like.

 

[Brew-Jay]

It was pretty darn delicious. The color was too dark (roasted the wheat too long I think) and the flavor was not spot on, but the aroma was very Lagunitas-like.

Here's the side-by-side. Like I said, a little dark.

 

[LoloMT7]

Here's the side-by-side. Like I said, a little dark.



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Interesting. Thanks for the response. I'm going to have to add this to my list of things I want to brew. The aroma & hop flavor of little sumpin sumpin is just awesome one of my all time favorites. I'll have to find the Santiam hops online as the LHBS here doesn't carry them. Thanks again for the feedback.

 

[BigSumpin]

A Bevmo that recently opened here had some 5 mth. Little Sumpin Sumpin
marked down to (I think by accident) $7.96 a 6 pack - needless to say I grabbed the last 5 packs they had, and when I went back in a week later it was $9.99

It is the S***in !!

 

[LoloMT7]

Little Sumpin Sumpin and all Lagunitas 6 packs run about $7.49 around here It is one of my go-to beers for sure. Right now Brown Shugga' is out and is $7.49 a 6er.. now that is a steal it's 9.9% so it only takes a couple and it's an excellent hoppy brew

 

[BigSumpin]

That is a fair price...some people I know near the east coast say the prices are usually $13 - $15 for L. Sumpin & Lag. Sucks

 

[ballsy]

Brewed this, but replaced the 2 row w/ LME. Everything else was to recipe. OG was spot on 1.070. Double pitched notty, fermented at 63 for about 4 days then raised to 72 and at day 11 was down to 1.012 so threw in the dry hops. Can't wait to keg this in a week!

 

[Sepanik1986]

Man. Picked the ingredients up for the recipe and I am glad my lhbs sells hops in bulk. I would've spent big money if they didn't.

 

[ballsy]

Bout 2 weeks in keg and tasting good, but not sumpin sumpin. Notty mainly to account for it I guess. Color was tiny bit darker (likely due to partial extract). taste of my brew was bit more fruity/floral than Sumpin which seemed to have more spicy notes to it. Def good beer though!!

 

[Hoppity]

Placeholder...batch in progress...two weeks in bottle. Brewing another batch this week for son's wedding. Will update results of both batches.

 

[Tbnguy]

Unfortunately I don't have the equipment yet to do all grain but have been wanting to try a partial mash BIAB. This is my first attempt at BIAB and first attempt at trying to convert a recipe since I can't seem to find a standard extract or partial version of this that people have been using. I would love to get any feedback on this before heading to the homebrew shop.

Mash grains:
2lbs. torrified wheat
1lb. pale malt (2 row)
1lb. white wheat malt
Mash in 2.5 gallons at 160deg. for 60min., then sparge
Bring boil volume up to 3.5 gallons

Boil ingredients (60 min. boil):
6lbs. extra light DME
3lbs. wheat LME
1oz. Nugget - 60 min.
1oz. Santium - 15min.
.5oz. Amarillo - 15min.

After cooling, add water to reach 5gal.

Yeast: WLP002

Dry Hopps:
1oz. Centennial
1oz. Cascade
1oz. Chinook
1oz. Simcoe
1oz. Columbus
.5oz. Amarillo

What do you think? Would this get anywhere close or am I way off? Any help would be greatly appreciated! I just went to Lagunitas new brewery in Chicago and loved this beer! Looking forward to attempting it.

 

[Tbnguy]

Nobody responded to the above recipe so decided to have the LHBS take a look and they said it looks ok. I just had to replace the Chinook with an extra ounce of Centennial since they were out. I also had to go with Wyeast 1098 British Ale yeast instead of the WLP002 since I guess they no longer carry White Labs. It was a hell of an expensive recipe costing me around $70 so hopefully it will turn out good! I'm planning on brewing tomorrow so will post again once I am able to try it.