Butter or Margarine?

[krackin]

Margarine is just non-hardening linoleum in practicality.

 

[TNGabe]

Lard.

 

[Bulls Beers]

Home made are SO much better. Trust me.

You wouldn't happen to have a recipe, now would you??

 

[Yooper]

Sunflower, sesame, flax, pumpkin, or peanut on that list of seed oils? I thought there were good seed oils and bad seed oils.

My understanding is that soy must be fermented to make it edible... most soy products I don't think are fermented. Legumes for the most part are difficult to digest- which is how beans became the magical fruit. I stay away from soy if only for the fact I get enough phytoestrogen from hops through beer consumption and handling my plants.

Wonder if male hop plants produce phytoestrogens? Plants are insane.

Margarine is useless to me.

It's not the fact that they are seed oils- it's the way they are processed. As far as I know, there are no "good" industrial seed oils so I use coconut oil for cooking, as well as beef tallow (I render it from grass fed beef). No peanut oil, sunflower oil, canola, corn oil, etc, for health reasons. Olive oil for uncooked/unheated items.

But I have a friend who makes his fried fish in peanut oil, and oh boy does it taste good!

 

[passedpawn]

But I have a friend who makes his fried fish in peanut oil, and oh boy does it taste good!

Hmmm... I use peanut oil for wok cooking for it's super high smoke point, but I sure can taste it. I'm not sure I'd like that with fish.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Butter for sure. Grew up mainly with margarine because my parents had 5 kids so it was cheaper.

But butter tastes better, has better texture, and the biggest lie ever sold is that fat and saturated fat is the devil

 

[Melana]

you wouldn't happen to have a recipe, now would you??

 

[Bulls Beers]

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Man those look good. If I can make English Muffins myself, I'd be pretty happy.

 

[IslandLizard]

No butter. Olive oil only. And Hellman's mayo.
I know some butter (ghee) gets sneaked in when I eat Indian.

For baking I mostly use canola oil but for a few recipes Blue Bonnet (margarine) seems to work best, more pliable.

 

[glenn514]

I grew up in Wisconsin in the late 1940's and 1950's. At that time, the state had a law that margarine could NOT be sold colored like butter. Rather, it was sold white, and a packet of coloring was included if the purchaser wanted to mix it in. I believe the law was intended to protect the dairy farmers, but many of them were growing soybeans, so it later became a moot point. However, the uncolored margarine looked just like lard to me, and I surely did NOT want that stuff on my toast! Today, we might have some margarine in the house, but we use butter...and the spreadable butter with a bit of canola oil...almost exclusively.

 

[progmac]

It's not the fact that they are seed oils- it's the way they are processed. As far as I know, there are no "good" industrial seed oils so I use coconut oil for cooking, as well as beef tallow (I render it from grass fed beef). No peanut oil, sunflower oil, canola, corn oil, etc, for health reasons. Olive oil for uncooked/unheated items.

But I have a friend who makes his fried fish in peanut oil, and oh boy does it taste good!

How about grapeseed oil? That stuff seems legit.

 

[TyTanium]

....and the spreadable butter with a bit of canola oil...almost exclusively.

If I may suggest, skip the canola oil and leave the butter on the counter. Spreads great at room temp.

 

[passedpawn]

As far as I know, there are no "good" industrial seed oils so I use coconut oil for cooking, as well as beef tallow (I render it from grass fed beef). No peanut oil, sunflower oil, canola, corn oil, etc, for health reasons. Olive oil for uncooked/unheated items.

Lorenzo's oil was made from canola and olive oils. Interesting story behind that.

I think canola is one of the most healthful fats, with very low saturated fat, relatively high monounsaturated fats, high in omega-3 fats.

 

[TyTanium]

How about grapeseed oil? That stuff seems legit.

I thought grapeseed oil has a crazy high amount of PUFA. Plus it always seems more expensive around me.

I think canola is one of the most healthful fats, with very low saturated fat, relatively high monounsaturated fats, high in omega-3 fats.

I would encourage you to do some more research on that one. The high-heat processing required to make it means all those omega-3s may already be rancid on the shelf.
Also, why is "very low saturated fat" a positive?

 

[passedpawn]

I would encourage you to do some more research on that one. The high-heat processing required to make it means all those omega-3s may already be rancid on the shelf.
Also, why is "very low saturated fat" a positive?

I thought saturated fats increased cholesterol and were linked to heart disease.

 

[passedpawn]

As usual, the internet provides conflicting arguments for and against. Choose your "side", and you can find an internet source to support it. So, with that said...

Canola oil is made from the rapeseed, which is widely grown in Western Canada. It is comprising about 60 per cent monounsaturated oleic acid and a reasonably balanced 2:1 ratio of omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids. Of all the commonly used cooking oils, canola contains the highest proportion of omega-3, which the body needs but cannot make. A review of more than two decades of research published in the journal Nutrition Reviews found that canola reduced the risk of heart disease and other chronic illness. Canola has been endorsed for its health benefits by the American Diabetes Association and the American Dietetic Association.

And, concerning coconut oil,

Coconut oil is nearly all saturated fat, although it is nutritionally distinct from animal sourced saturated fats, which are associated with heart disease. Most of the world’s top governmental health agencies advise against eating coconut oil, but dozens of overly enthusiastic websites crow about its health benefits. A single anecdotal case in which a women supposedly slowed her husband’s dementia with coconut oil has given rise to an industry built on dubious health claims and little to no scientific evidence. You likely eat it when you have movie theatre popcorn and that’s probably plenty.

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/01/09/a-primer-oils-that-heal-oils-that-harm/

 

[botigol]

Butter, butter, butter!

Isn't margarine, chemically, almost identical to plastic? I don't shun it because of this, but if true certainly another reason to skip it.

 

[TyTanium]

As usual, the internet provides conflicting arguments for and against. Choose your "side", and you can find an internet source to support it.

Well I agree with you there, haha.

Though I will say I'm pretty sure the link between saturated fats & cholesterol/heart disease has been thoroughly debunked. It just takes our government a while to catch up.

There is some pretty compelling evidence that the current food paradigm is highly correlated, if not causal, to the myriad of health & hormonal issues we're facing today.

 

[StonesBally]

I would argue that butter, lard, tallow, schmaltz, and duck and goose fat, and almost all non chemically extracted vegeyable and fruit oils are all healthier than margarine. They are natural, not derived through a chemical industrial process. Canola is an exception. It is always stale or rancid. It is also all gmo. I might use it to deep fry if it was all that was around. Lard is much better for that. Pasture butter is actually way better and healthier than regular too. It just cost a million dollars a pound.

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[prohl84]

It's not the fact that they are seed oils- it's the way they are processed. As far as I know, there are no "good" industrial seed oils so I use coconut oil for cooking, as well as beef tallow (I render it from grass fed beef). No peanut oil, sunflower oil, canola, corn oil, etc, for health reasons. Olive oil for uncooked/unheated items.

But I have a friend who makes his fried fish in peanut oil, and oh boy does it taste good!

Even if they claim to be expeller pressed?

Also if/ when SWMBO gets one of these for her birthday.... because sunflowers are easy to grow.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004H2SDTM/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

EDIT: Just noticed the grassfed beef tallow thing. Awesome!

 

[Homercidal]

Butter, butter, butter!

Isn't margarine, chemically, almost identical to plastic? I don't shun it because of this, but if true certainly another reason to skip it.

Well, molecularly it is supposed to be very similar to some plastics, but then most things are only one molecule away from something entirely different. That one molecule can make all the difference in the world in how it reacts with other molecules.

 

[corkybstewart]

As usual, the internet provides conflicting arguments for and against. Choose your "side", and you can find an internet source to support it. So, with that said...




And, concerning coconut oil,



http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/01/09/a-primer-oils-that-heal-oils-that-harm/

Thanks for that. I use butter for most stuff, and my wife uses canola for making her famous French fries. We have a friend who owns a health food/supplement business and she's a full blown nutcase when it comes to regurgitating bogus stories from the internet. When I point out that her sources are usually her suppliers it doesn't faze her.

 

[Yooper]

Well I agree with you there, haha.

Though I will say I'm pretty sure the link between saturated fats & cholesterol/heart disease has been thoroughly debunked. It just takes our government a while to catch up.

There is some pretty compelling evidence that the current food paradigm is highly correlated, if not causal, to the myriad of health & hormonal issues we're facing today.

Yes, in the "modern" medical community, the studies that state that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol are in any way responsible for heart disease have been debunked, and even commericals for statins (cholesterol lowering drugs) have to state that there is no evidence that decreasing cholesterol levels reduce the risks of heart disease in people. Still, millions of people are prescribed statins everyday and take them. We are very slow to accept things that counteract what we've been taught all these years.

What has been shown to increase heart disease risk is trans-fats, and there is a relationship between industrialized seed oils and heart disease (probably due to the way they are made, not the actual oil itself). There is no increase of heart disease in people who use butter, tallow, and virgin coconut oil. Saturated fats aren't really bad, it turns out. Our grandparents were right all along.

Everyone should do their own research from trusted sources, and read some of the studies. It's eye-opening!