Budweiser American Ale Clone

[babalu87]

My thinking was with a company like Budweiser you have to wonder how much of their goods/processes are proprietary. That certainly doesn't stop you from attempting to capture the overall aprroach that Budweiser used.

Wyeast
2007 St Louis lager AKA Budweiser

White Labs
WLP840 American Pilsner Lager Yeast AKA Budweiser

Hell, not long ago you could buy it in dry form as bricks for breadmaking.

 

[dfohio]

On the American Ale website, the brewmaster says they are pitching ale yeast.

Also, I highly recommend watching the videos on budamericanale.com
I don't care how much you hate Budweiser, their brewing system is just nuts.

 

[babalu87]

On the American Ale website, the brewmaster says they are pitching ale yeast.

Because he's making an Ale

Do I know for sure............no but ny nose is telling me that something in there tastes a lot like Budweiser

 

[mitch171]

I would assume Budweiser would taste a lot like Budweiser...

Maybe they use an ale yeast maybe they use a lager yeast. I don't know, if I was brewing this I would start by trying an American Ale yeast. After trying that if I didn't like it maybe I would move on to something else.

 

[babalu87]

I would assume Budweiser would taste a lot like Budweiser...

Maybe they use an ale yeast maybe they use a lager yeast. I don't know, if I was brewing this I would start by trying an American Ale yeast. After trying that if I didn't like it maybe I would move on to something else.

Just my opinion (and that of others as well)

Something in the aftertaste of that beer screams Budweiser to me is all.

Lager yeast doesnt have to be used at Lager temps (see Anchor Steam beer)

 

[buzzkill]

as much as I hate to say it,the Bud Ale was a nice beer. I was blown away that you can taste hops in it...let us know how the kit turns out. I may just try it

 

[Brewing Clamper]

Damn folks! Ya'll need to get laid! Drink what you like, brew what you like... live and let live. [/2¢]

 

[mitch171]

Like I have said I am new to this, I usally don't try anything other than the norm at this point. Your nose is probably more tuned in than mine.

 

[mmb]

Lager yeast doesnt have to be used at Lager temps (see Anchor Steam beer)

I'd feel fairly confident saying that it's an ale yeast. Why go to all the effort to explain the difference between ale yeast and lager yeast if you don't use the one you say you do?

Either way, BAA has some fairly easily recognizable ale esters to my pallet.

 

[the_bird]

10% Crystal is going to be more than enough

You wont get it just right unless you use Budwesiers yeast
There is NO DOUBT in my mind that Bud uses their lager yeast for this beer at warmer temperatures.
Dont think so?
Smell and empty bottle next time.

You could always pitch Papa Charlie's Cry Havok. That's an old Budweiser strain that Chaz Papaz claims can ferment at their ale or lager temps.

 

[babalu87]

I'd feel fairly confident saying that it's an ale yeast. Why go to all the effort to explain the difference between ale yeast and lager yeast if you don't use the one you say you do?

Either way, BAA has some fairly easily recognizable ale esters to my pallet.

Or esters from a Lager yeast fermented at ale temps :rockin:

 

[bkov]

i would use eds haus ale as a base. use us05 yeast. maybe replace the vienna with corn sugar(i know bud says the dont use sugar or rice or corn in it but i think itll help get close). maybe add alittle carared also. lower the bittering hops slightly. add .5cascade dryhop

just my 2cents

 

[Synovia]

Do I know for sure............no but ny nose is telling me that something in there tastes a lot like Budweiser

Psychosomatic most likely. They say its an ale yeast. The fact that your "nose tells you otherwise" doesn't mean anything.

 

[babalu87]

Psychosomatic most likely. They say its an ale yeast. The fact that your "nose tells you otherwise" doesn't mean anything.

I believe my nose before InBev

 

[Synovia]

I believe my nose before InBev

That attitude is exactly why we can't believe your nose.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

The OP had an honest question. How did we ever come to be so smart that we cannot answer it?

 

[mitch171]

The OP had an honest question. How did we ever come to be so smart that we cannot answer it?

I have been trying to answer the question, I hope the OP still is checking this thread. As I don't actually plan on brewing this beer.

 

[cheezydemon3]

***NOT POKING FUN***

Brewing budwiser products is as exciting to most brewers as growing bell peppers is to pepper enthusiasts.......

Why grow bell peppers when they are common and incredibly available and cheap?

The same could be said of Bud.

Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm for the OP.

 

[mitch171]

Maybe the OP likes the taste of the Bud American Ale and thinks maybe that is agood starting point, even peper growers start with what they are familur with.

 

[Yooper]

***NOT POKING FUN***

Brewing budwiser products is as exciting to most brewers as growing bell peppers is to pepper enthusiasts.......

Why grow bell peppers when they are common and incredibly available and cheap?

The same could be said of Bud.

Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm for the OP.

Why homebrew at all then? I mean, I can buy some good IPAs, so why bother? Why cook? I can buy gourmet frozen spaghetti sauce. Why play hockey, when I can watch it on TV? (And, idiot that I am, I grow bell peppers in my garden. An interesting red variety called "jingle bells". What a loser).

Brewing is a hobby, and we make what we like. I've already asked for non-helpful commenters to refrain from posting. I get annoyed when this continues.

We get it! You're too good for a Bud Ale. Fine!!!!!! Nobody is asking anybody else to brew it, to drink it, or to like it. I don't like wheat beers, but I'm not going into wheat beer threads slamming the lack of taste of those who like them.

Remember what your mother said? Remember the Golden Rule? I want to modify it. If you can't be helpful, at least STFU.

 

[methane]

It's funny though. I listened to the Basic Brewing from March of 2007 on Aging with Oak, and the expert they had on the phone was the head brewer of New Glarus Brewing. I can't recall his exact job trajectory that brought him to start his own company, but I do remember that he said he'd worked for Budweiser. I remember he said that, say what you will about Budweiser's beers, it is a company which is completely driven by the pursuit of excellence. Which I think is what you could also say about the large majority of home brewers.
Anyway, at the very least, I'm inspired to pick up some Budweiser American Ale, and wish you good luck cloning a taste you like!

 

[Orfy]

Why grille a burger at home? McD's is a mere stones throw away and you can get yer burger on for a doller.

Ya', I'll pass.

If that's the quality you are happy with, you are happy to give the company your money and don't enjoy brewing then why not.

I think a good AG brewer could probably do better for cheaper and would rather not give money to AB and would enjoy making it more than buying it

 

[cheezydemon3]

If that's the quality you are happy with, you are happy to give the company your money and don't enjoy brewing then why not.

I think a good AG brewer could probably do better for cheaper and would rather not give money to AB and would enjoy making it more than buying it

Absolutely. But I think even a mediocre AG brewer would end up with a better product for cheaper.

 

[Synovia]

***NOT POKING FUN***

Brewing budwiser products is as exciting to most brewers as growing bell peppers is to pepper enthusiasts.......

Why grow bell peppers when they are common and incredibly available and cheap?

The same could be said of Bud.

Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm for the OP.

That's utterly ridiculous.


Why is it that people love hte "cream of three crops" but hate BMC, when its basically a clone of them.


Bud American looks to be about a 30 IBU beer made with 2-row and crystal malts. Thats a pretty normal recipe, and probably 1/2 the stuff on here is about the same.

 

[mitch171]

Because brand drives identity. If I am a craft beer drinker I must hate Macrobrew. Even if they make something similar to what I enjoy. It isn't about taste for many it is about identity. I am also seeing a trend that is similar to the wino mantra. I am not cool unless my wine is so tannic that it hurts to drink. Just because it is easy to pick out a lot of hop flavor doesn't make it better. There seems to be a trend that you are only cool if you like a painful amount of bitterness in your beer. It is like trying to out man eachother. Whatever to each their own.

Anyway, any more input on the proposed clone I posted earlier. What yeast does everyone think is appropriate? Ale yeast, Lager yeast? Fermentation temp? Need for Lagering?

My gut feeling is to use an ale yeast the first time and treat it like an ale since that is what it supposivly is.

I still am not planning on brewing this anytime soon as I have others I would rather do right now. Just tryint to help the OP out.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Definitely an Ale yeast.

60F

 

[mitch171]

It's funny though. I listened to the Basic Brewing from March of 2007 on Aging with Oak, and the expert they had on the phone was the head brewer of New Glarus Brewing. I can't recall his exact job trajectory that brought him to start his own company, but I do remember that he said he'd worked for Budweiser...

I also just read in BYO that Mitch Steele from Stone Brewing started out in the New Products division of Anheuser-Bush. I wonder how everyones' opinion would change if they found out that he actually developed this beer?

 

[Yooper]

Definitely an Ale yeast.

60F

Yeah, or up to 65 degrees with a clean well attenuating ale yeast, but definitely no higher than 70. I'd use S05 for dry, pacman (if you can find it), Wyeast 1056, WLP001. You could use Nottingham as low as 57-59 degrees.

Maybe even Denny's Favorite 50? I used Denny's in an Irish draught recipe, and it enhanced the malt bill and give it a big mouthfeel in a smaller beer.

I haven't had the American ale lately, but I don't recall it being fruity or hoppy.

 

[Synovia]

I also just read in BYO that Mitch Steele from Stone Brewing started out in the New Products division of Anheuser-Bush. I wonder how everyones' opinion would change if they found out that he actually developed this beer?

Stone could be brewing the exact recipe and it wouldn't change their opinion one bit. Stone could be bottling from Budweiser's tanks and they'd still think the Stone was better.


Its probably a very simple dry hopped amber fermented with a neutral american ale yeast, and then dry hopped with cascade.

Probably 2 Row and Crystal 80 or something.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Yeah, or up to 65 degrees with a clean well attenuating ale yeast, but definitely no higher than 70. I'd use S05 for dry, pacman (if you can find it), Wyeast 1056, WLP001. You could use Nottingham as low as 57-59 degrees.

Maybe even Denny's Favorite 50? I used Denny's in an Irish draught recipe, and it enhanced the malt bill and give it a big mouthfeel in a smaller beer.

I haven't had the American ale lately, but I don't recall it being fruity or hoppy.

Honestly I haven't tried it, it may be great for all I know!

There are just thousands of great beers I haven't tried yet, I am afraid that one is not next on my list.