someday you might have a 4-wire RTD you want to use...
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RiverCityBrewer
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I'm working on a very similar issue for work as Rockwell software (Studio 5000) and Windows 10 have not been playing well in our environment. Also doesn't help that every other update cycle something new breaks. I've been told over and over that Win10 scales great on old hardware... I've never witnessed it though. That said, 10 year old hardware might be pushing it. Any way you can put more ram in it?
Just a standard computer. Ups
nope.. max is 4GB per HP specs, which is the same as the rPi4 maximum... it is just an old work laptop, running windows 7 now..
RiverCityBrewer
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Ouch, that is going to be an issue if only 3 of the 4gig is usable. W10 is somewhat passable usage wise on a modern cpu with 4gig, I suspect you might have serious issues with 2 cores and effectively 3gig of ram (guessing a gig is being shared/stolen by the GPU). There was a Windows 10 "Lean" version that was being worked on a year or so ago... not sure where it went, but it might be worth looking into if you want to keep using the laptop.
I have some bistable relays that I set upon reaching a stage, say Day 7. If I have a power interruption for some reason, then it would set
the daycounter to 7, then set another for Day 8, then Day 9 and then Day 14. I have this implemented on a BCS but will move it to BruControl eventually. You could also save the daycounter into a Global. that way you could use a logic tree instead of a bistable relay as long as you do not reset the Global when a script starts.
I just discovered that a scroll mouse will increase the text just within the Scripting Window Pane when you hit CTRL and scroll. It affects the one pane only and not the whole screen.
Sweet!
purdman10
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I beta tested on an old win95 era (15 years old now) computer 1 gig memory running XP. BruControl ran fine. Later, I also used a 2 gig ram Android tablet running iBochs emulator with XP. BC ran fine (after a 45 minute boot into BC however). Then I went experimenting win Win10 on the RPI after XP became a security risk. I have posted my results earlier in this thread. Admittedly latency is an issue. My goal is no PC to lug.
RiverCityBrewer
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I'm not doubting that Win10 would work on older hardware, but there is quite a line between working, stable, and usable.
muhteeus
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But why? Build a $2500 setup, install $200 software on a $5 pc?
Drop $150 and get a compute stick. $500 and get a NUC.
purdman10
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Some people just like to "Just because".
That $500 NUC is obsolete for windows in a matter of a few years because of bloat and lazy programming that takes a meg of memory to add 2 numbers.... besides, spending $500 on 8GB and a quad core just to run a program that runs just fine on XP is insane...
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Good point. Ill hide the 4th wire behind the back plate.
Never heard of bistable relays, good to know. Thankyou!
Bistable Relays are Fairly cheap. You will need a digital out to set each relay and a Digital Input to "know" it is set.
https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Flip...able+relay&qid=1570668645&s=industrial&sr=1-5
https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Flip...able+relay&qid=1570668645&s=industrial&sr=1-5
augiedoggy
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It should be a bit faster if you upgrade to a 64bit system since its a duo core... The thing is you can pick up a barebones system very cheap these days.. I got a small form factor hp elite 8300 just like this one for $100 shipped that I use at the brewpub for my brucontrol pc.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Compaq-Elite-8300-USDT-PC-Core-i7-3770S-3-1GHz-8GB-320GB-Windows-10-Pro/303260635134?_trkparms=ispr=1&hash=item469bbe0ffe:m:mY-84hV0QGliqkyVaHMzlmA&enc=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&checksum=3032606351342a2da58977f643ccaf52415c69b51014&enc=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&checksum=3032606351342a2da58977f643ccaf52415c69b51014
I paired it with a 26" touchscreen I bought used on ebay for like $140.
If your municipality has an electronics drop off thats also a good place to look. I pick up I5 and I7 quadcore pcs and laptops there all the time that often only need simple things like a new charger or hard drive. in fact thats where I got the pc im typing on now (complete with 28" lcd).. last year I found a very nice hp envy i7 touchscreen laptop that just needed a new battery.. they still sell for around $350 used on ebay. We use that as the beersmith pc.
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I would rather have a platform that didn't require 10 billion operations per second to do non-task oriented operations...
augiedoggy
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Why didnt you just say that then
RiverCityBrewer
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HA, yeah you are not going to find that with Windows 10. If Brucontrol was ported to *nix, then maybe.
muhteeus
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Got mine for free. I prefer using something that can keep up with me, and I usually don't have machines for a single purpose. I will likely install BeerSmith and a server of some sort on this machine.
My experience with dinosaur PCs is that they die, and the parts hard to find. And this comes from the gamer that rebuilds his machine every 3-4 years.
To each their own though.
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muhteeus
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FYI if you are new to this thread, I recently found a great YouTube channel on the basics of panel building, signals, wiring, etc. Great resource for someone with little to no experience (or even someone like me that works in the controls industry)
Check out Tim Wilborne
Check out Tim Wilborne
[Loop]
//you need a loop to keep the switch active.
if "Switch 1" state == true
//start my script named ScrReset
start "ScrReset"
"Switch 1" state = false
//You need to reset to false to get the switch ready for another time. You could also hide the switch if you were not going to use it again
endif
goto "Loop"
//I always add the stop script, although it will never hit in this case. You could leave off
stop "ScrTurnOnScrReset"
I would use a different switch to stop a script and use the visibility property to display the on or off switch,
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Use the vVInspectorTest as the variable in an Inspector Element
new value vVInspectorTest
[Loop]
vVInspectorTest = 1.1234567890
vVInspectorTest precision = 0
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 1
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 2
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 3
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 5
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 6
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 7
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 8
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 9
sleep 500
vVInspectorTest precision = 10
sleep 500
goto "Loop"
I think you are confusing a switch and a button. What you said would apply if using a button, but with a switch you can use a single if else statement, and you don't need a second switch or anything else to turn the script off.
Well I use switches sorta like buttons in this way. You can do it with a button. You could also use an else statement if you got the logic right. Different way to skin a cat. I prefer not to use buttons and I tend to use if endif rather than an if else endif probably because of some old basic or paradox script from the 80s. Can't teach an old dog a new trick. I do sometimes use the else statement but I use a lot of nested if statements.
The way I wrote my script, the else statement would have caused my ignitor to fire every cycle if it the switch was true. The key is if you start a script with the start command and it is running, it will start again at Line 1.
I simply could not think of a way to use an else statement because of the ignitor the way I wrote the script.
The biggest factor in the way I did the script was that I have a running script that checks the state of a switch (or button), and if true, do something, like start "script". This running script checks the status of most of my switches and buttons. Depending on where I am in a script, the same button may do something else based on a different conditional if end if statement.
If it was to turn on a Light or Pump, I would use the if else endif. With scripts , I do not.
If it was a one time use to turn on a script, then you would not need the else, unless you want to manually kill the script. Then an if else endif statement would work.
The way I wrote my script, the else statement would have caused my ignitor to fire every cycle if it the switch was true. The key is if you start a script with the start command and it is running, it will start again at Line 1.
I simply could not think of a way to use an else statement because of the ignitor the way I wrote the script.
The biggest factor in the way I did the script was that I have a running script that checks the state of a switch (or button), and if true, do something, like start "script". This running script checks the status of most of my switches and buttons. Depending on where I am in a script, the same button may do something else based on a different conditional if end if statement.
If it was to turn on a Light or Pump, I would use the if else endif. With scripts , I do not.
If it was a one time use to turn on a script, then you would not need the else, unless you want to manually kill the script. Then an if else endif statement would work.
the endless script that starts the SCRBrewKettleBurner:
the offending script:
the offending script:
Any command where you can open a web page in a script and then close it?
I want to play this when I start boiling
I want to play this when I start boiling
You could do this with the data exchange feature. You could use something like node red to poll a global Boolean value as a trigger to open the webpage. I do something similar with node red and a global Boolean to prompt node red to reimport my beersmith recipe.
Thanks, I have not used node red. I will have to look that.
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Thanks for the help, I’ll give this stuff a shot
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You can get this song in .wav format and add it to an alarm, then activate it via the script.
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I was able to get the switch to turn on the script but then the script I want to run begins feverishly cycling between running and loading. I cant stop the switch script either. Id also like the script to stop when the switch is in the off position.
In my case, this is a fermentation profile for a single vessel. When full and ready to begin fermentation, Id like user to turn on the switch and itll begin the fermentation profile. The switch can be turned off manually
I was able to get this to work thankyou.,
I have a hysteresis element for each fermenter. Id like one source to show measured value and the other to show setpoint. I cant get the setpoint to work
I do almost the same thing in several places, just using a button instead of a switch (not sure why that would matter). What is in the ScrReset script? It doesn't modify "Switch 1" does it? One thing that all of mine have is a small delay after starting the desired script before shutting off the button, but that is only to give it time for the script being started to set a global status indicator.
Right now you cannot directly add setpoints to a graphing element. You can create a global and use a script to set the global to the same value as the hysteresis setpoint. Then you can add the global value to the graph.
As Oakbarn pointed out my original suggestion is flawed because calling the start command to launch another script will cause the script to restart if it is already running. In this case we need to add a boolean to indicate the previous state so we trigger on the switch state changing from off to on only once.
In the above example you can see that I only added this "one-shot" triggering to starting the fermentation script. This script will continuously call the stop command which results in your fermentation script output window filling up with garbage stop statements.
So we can add another nested if statement in the else block to change both sides of the switch detection to a one-shot trigger.
Now our output window for the fermentation script will be cleaner.
Paulaner
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Can someone sanity check a wiring question I got that I've searched all over this thread for and the Brucontrol site to no avail. For wiring the AA-1 Analog Amp board from a mega 2560 to a prop vlv, V+ connects to 24vdc, and In1 connects to any PWM pin on the mega?
If your PV's have an input voltage of 24VDC then yes this is correct.
Paulaner
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Thanks, that what made sense to me, but I wanted to verify prior to hooking it up.
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Email is for the product note if for some reason we failed to send it.
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What is the language for setting the global to the same value as the hysteresis setpoint? This is what I currently have for setpoint. FV-1 CONTROL being hysteresis device
"FV-1 CONTROL" Target = 64
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