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So who thinks Dr. Patrick McGovern is the coolest guy on the planet??

I remember reading his research on recreating the Midas funeral feast and beer that sam used as research for Midas touch. I didn't realize til watching the current episode that he does that all the time...I want to be him when I grow up.

He's the indiana jones of beer, the real beer hunter.
 
I have to agree with the previous poster on this. Quality control is about catching problems. It is not stopping them from happening entirely.

Not really. EFFECTIVE Quality Control/Quality Assurance is written with procedures implementing critical control points designed to prevent problems from happening in the first place. Sure, problems will still happen from time to time, but we've already seen two batches "dumped" (which I still doubt highly) in five episodes.

It seems a critical control point verifying yeast health is missing in their operation, or at least that's how the producers choose to portray it. Either way, it's a TV show and I don't believe any of the drama is real. For all we know they were just dumping the trub/yeast before bottling. It's not like we actually saw them dumping the whole batch. We just got a teaser shot of some brown liquid being dumped.

I still like the show and I'm still gonna watch it.


I know a little something about QC and sudsmcgee hit on the key points. It's called In Process Testing. For example: the FDA has guidelines for the pharma and medical device industries. In order to "release" a product, it must meet the specs set in the guidelines and those specs are for "final product". That means for many of those specs, they only apply to the finished product. However, you have to assure that everything in the process has a spec and is monitored. If not, you could throw out a million dollar lot of product in the end because some other component did not meet spec and ruined the whole batch.

I realize this is brewing, not pharma and there is no guideline for final release that I know of. In the case of DFH Brewing, they had an internal spec for the finished product. It did not meet that spec and they dumped it.
 
From a purely definitional standpoint, QA/QC is generally a post-manufacturing testing of product spec prior to distribution to catch out-of-tolerance product. What some here are referring to is a more holistic approach to quality generally called Total Quality Management. TQM integrates the design, planning, and production into the QA fold to ensure that mistakes are avoided as well as caught after they happen.

That said, both instances of the problem fermentations at DFH were, in fact, caught during routine testing during the production process. The 120 was closer to finished than the other beer, but both problems were identified relatively early, and efforts were made to bring the product back within tolerance.

I think the challenge here is that these guys are pushing the absolute limits of microbiology with some of these beers. If this were a manufacturing operations, you could merely engineer the product to spec with a margin of error. Because you cannot engineer the yeast to spec, there is no ability to build in a margin of error and thus, you can see that failure's are inherent in that kind of process.

It is kind of like Formula One racing vs. your local auto factory making cars. The F1 team has to push the limits of materials and engineering and often, they push too far and their efforts fail. The local auto factory builds to within engineering specs and hence, their products are generally reliable (think Budweiser).
 
From a purely definitional standpoint, QA/QC is generally a post-manufacturing testing of product spec prior to distribution to catch out-of-tolerance product. What some here are referring to is a more holistic approach to quality generally called Total Quality Management. TQM integrates the design, planning, and production into the QA fold to ensure that mistakes are avoided as well as caught after they happen.

That said, both instances of the problem fermentations at DFH were, in fact, caught during routine testing during the production process. The 120 was closer to finished than the other beer, but both problems were identified relatively early, and efforts were made to bring the product back within tolerance.

I think the challenge here is that these guys are pushing the absolute limits of microbiology with some of these beers. If this were a manufacturing operations, you could merely engineer the product to spec with a margin of error. Because you cannot engineer the yeast to spec, there is no ability to build in a margin of error and thus, you can see that failure's are inherent in that kind of process.

It is kind of like Formula One racing vs. your local auto factory making cars. The F1 team has to push the limits of materials and engineering and often, they push too far and their efforts fail. The local auto factory builds to within engineering specs and hence, their products are generally reliable (think Budweiser).

This makes perfect sense. Formula One racing teams put a lot more money into a car than, say, GM's pick-up truck. However, it's probably more likely that a formula-one will be sent back for re-builds a lot more often.

Part of what we pay for with "Premium" beer is because they have a proportionally larger "failure" rate in comparison to production. Part of this is that they're not repeating the same batch as many times. Part of it is that they're not brewing the same beer 35 times a week. In the end, though, it shows their commitment to quality and consistency. If they didn't dump the beer, they'd be berated on this forum for being "sell-outs" and being "patronizing" to their fans. I have no doubt they dumped what they say they dumped because no matter how "famous" your company is, there's plenty of company employees that would talk about your dirty little secret without thinking twice about the company's well-being. It doesn't matter if there's "employee ownership" or not, there's going to be an employee or two who wouldn't think twice about trashing them publicly.

I love(d) the show! This is bigger-quantity, high-quality brewing being publicized! How awesome is that? :ban:
 
From a purely definitional standpoint, QA/QC is generally a post-manufacturing testing of product spec prior to distribution to catch out-of-tolerance product. What some here are referring to is a more holistic approach to quality generally called Total Quality Management. TQM integrates the design, planning, and production into the QA fold to ensure that mistakes are avoided as well as caught after they happen.

Thanks for that explanation. That definition of QA/QC falls in line with what I learned in my statistics classes, and your explanation of TQM resolves the conflicting explanations given after my post.
 
I apologize in advance bc I know it is posted somewhere in this thread, but is there a link to the newest episode? I missed it this week.
 
Its done for this season. It was only 5 episode. I emailed them at that was their response. They said no dicision had been anounced for any more. Ill copy the email here when I get back to my pc.
 
Wow cancelled already huh ? I guess they need to film it in the Bering Sea or something.
 
Its done for this season. It was only 5 episode. I emailed them at that was their response. They said no dicision had been anounced for any more. Ill copy the email here when I get back to my pc.


I hope it was enough of a success to move on to another brewery. I liked what they showed from Sam @ DFH, but the name of the show is "Brew Master(s)" after all. 5 weeks at any one brewery seems to be enough.
 
yea, if this is over, along with the end of Dexter and The Walking Dead, no sense in paying for satellite anymore . ..
 
This was their response.


Dear Viewer,

Thank you for contacting the Discovery Channel. We appreciate your interest in our programming.

The first season of Brew Masters consisted of five episodes and has concluded. At this time no information regarding a future season of this program has been released.

Please visit our website at www.discovery.com, and click on TV Schedule as this information will be posted as soon as it becomes available. Our schedules are published for the current and following month. If you are not able to locate the programming you are looking for, we recommend checking back periodically to see if it has been added to the current schedule.
 
Boooo...I was really enjoying this show! I'm definitely going to miss it, along with Dexter. At least I know Dexter will come back with another season...at least I hope so!!
 
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