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by the way, brazilian brahma chopp is no differente than a normal pils.
compared to bud, stella, heineken, etc...
compared to bud, stella, heineken, etc...
Brazilian Chopp Beer
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Ok OK, I'm a brazilian, and will try to explain some things.
chopp is a fresh beer served in tap with high pressure, by co2 or pump, the chopp barrel have a life time of 21 days from factory to glass.
All brazilian beer and chop are served -4.5C becouse its hot here and the big beer fact. give they refrigerators set in this tem. to people dont taste the beer and drink what they have to sell.
chopp is a fresh beer served in tap with high pressure, by co2 or pump, the chopp barrel have a life time of 21 days from factory to glass.
All brazilian beer and chop are served -4.5C becouse its hot here and the big beer fact. give they refrigerators set in this tem. to people dont taste the beer and drink what they have to sell.
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brewjack
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wow, it's funny to look at this thread again. I stopped paying attention to it after about four posts, I didn't realize it turned into four pages.
I just got back from Brazil a little while ago, and to be honest it seems Chopp is a pretty vague term. Basically you guys had it right, it means draft. But just like here sometimes bottles will be labbled as draft despite the apparent contradiction. Most of the Chopp is just plain industrial lager, one interesting exception is Brahma, which most Brazilians I met seem to think is the best Chopp around. Brahma also is a pretty flavorless lager but it's served with a giant nitrogen head on it that takes about half of the 8oz it's served in.
Nothing that special but I happen to like that type of head and it did seem to improve the beer. Brahma also makes a black chopp that looks kinda like a stout but it also had very little flavor.
As far as I can tell Chopp is pastuerized and filtered the way most other mass produced beers are, but I'm not 100% on that.
Well I hope this helps (if anyone is still interested).
I just got back from Brazil a little while ago, and to be honest it seems Chopp is a pretty vague term. Basically you guys had it right, it means draft. But just like here sometimes bottles will be labbled as draft despite the apparent contradiction. Most of the Chopp is just plain industrial lager, one interesting exception is Brahma, which most Brazilians I met seem to think is the best Chopp around. Brahma also is a pretty flavorless lager but it's served with a giant nitrogen head on it that takes about half of the 8oz it's served in.
Nothing that special but I happen to like that type of head and it did seem to improve the beer. Brahma also makes a black chopp that looks kinda like a stout but it also had very little flavor.
As far as I can tell Chopp is pastuerized and filtered the way most other mass produced beers are, but I'm not 100% on that.
Well I hope this helps (if anyone is still interested).
Well, welcome back. 
This thread brings back memories...I still can't figure out Eric's deal...it appears that was his only post and he dissapeared after his tirade.
This black chop, I'm wondering if it bears any resemblance to "tropical stouts" like lion? They are a little thinner in body and are often brewed with lager yeast.
This thread brings back memories...I still can't figure out Eric's deal...it appears that was his only post and he dissapeared after his tirade.
This black chop, I'm wondering if it bears any resemblance to "tropical stouts" like lion? They are a little thinner in body and are often brewed with lager yeast.
Indyking
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Cool, I have not noticed this thread until now. Well, I'm actually from Brazil, so well aware of chopp (2 Ps in the end) and what it means. I did not read all 4 pages, so this may have been covered, so forgive me if that is the case. Also, I hope you guys were not mistreated by some rude Brazilian, which I like to be believe as exceptions. 
Chopp is unpasteurized tap versions of their commercial lager counterparts. That basically covers it all.
Brazilian commercial lagers are no different from American ones, that is, most are unimpressive, light bodied, clear, with little character.
Revvy, I never tasted a tropical stout like Lion, but a dark chopp is not nearly as good as any traditional stout in my opinion.
There is though a very nice dark beer in Brazil, called Xingu. Not quite a stout in style but excellent beer.
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/434/1314/?ba=SamN
Chopp is unpasteurized tap versions of their commercial lager counterparts. That basically covers it all.
Brazilian commercial lagers are no different from American ones, that is, most are unimpressive, light bodied, clear, with little character.
Revvy, I never tasted a tropical stout like Lion, but a dark chopp is not nearly as good as any traditional stout in my opinion.
There is though a very nice dark beer in Brazil, called Xingu. Not quite a stout in style but excellent beer.
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/434/1314/?ba=SamN
HSB
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Could eric really be brewjack's girl going on a tirade due to lack of chopp and associated chopp
brewing? I wonder....
brewing? I wonder....
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madbaldman
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When I was in Rio some years back, the beer (Brahma) tasted like most western pils type beers you find all over the world. If you're ever there though, stick with beer. Once I got into the local rums and sugar cane brandy. Sure enough, I woke up with the ONLY plug ugly woman in all Copacabana.
Indyking
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That's exactly right, except Brazilian lagers tend to be a bit more sweet.
Well, your "sugar cane brandy" is what we call "cachaça". I'm not a big fan of cachaça, but you must have had the cheap ones that gives you a heck of a buzz and a painful hangover... there are, however, some very fine craft cachaça in Brazil that is aged for years on fine woods just like the finest Scotch... and the price is similar too...
Fact is, Brazil actually owns, along with Belgium, the largest global brewery in the world, Anheuser-Busch InBev. So, Budweiser is actually a Brazilian-Belgian beer since 2008, not American if you consider ownership, but of course, things are different when talking about the origin of the brand.
Commercial lagers in Brazil have a marketing strategy of producing refreshing beers, which people living there find it appealing given the tropical climate that predominates across the country. Truth is, the commercial lagers over there are refreshing because they're lightly bodied (watery) and generally served very cold (ice cold).
madbaldman
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Well, your "sugar cane brandy" is what we call "cachaça". I'm not a big fan of cachaça, but you must have had the cheap ones that gives you a heck of a buzz and a painful hangover... there are, however, some very fine craft cachaça in Brazil that is aged for years on fine woods just like the finest Scotch... and the price is similar too...
Yes, that was it! My muddled memory had it pronounced "ca-sha-sha" but my friend from Brazil didn't know what I was talking about. One night though she produced a bottle of something she called pinga, which tasted like a highly refined version of the cachaca I drank in that kick-ass country.
madbaldman
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OK, I'm on a mission to find a bottle on pinga in central Florida.
BTW - Thai Mekong whiskey is on the list too.
BTW - Thai Mekong whiskey is on the list too.
madbaldman
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Pinga, is a popular name of cachaça, they are the same thing! strong as hell and very popular here!
That's funny! I must have really mispronounced cachacha in my drunken state where she didn't recognize it, only to have her pull out a bottle of pinga a little later.
Keep an eye out for a brand called Copa Cachaça....I have a friend who has been developing an importing business to bring high end cachaça (such as was referred to by Indyking a few posts back) to the US, and some areas of FL are going to be one of their first venues...
StuporMan
I lived in Orlando a few years ago, and i remember to see cachaça in a few liquor store, but it is easy to find in brazilian stores like Alô Brazil, and maby in some mexican markets.
Let me know if you cant find, i will try to help you!
I lived in Orlando a few years ago, and i remember to see cachaça in a few liquor store, but it is easy to find in brazilian stores like Alô Brazil, and maby in some mexican markets.
Let me know if you cant find, i will try to help you!
Indyking
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Cachaça is not difficult to find in liquor stores in states with lots of Brazilians, like FL and MA; however, the artisanal ones are a rare commodity in the US. The Cachaça farms in the Brazilian states of Minas Gerais (especially around the city of Salinas) and Rio de Janeiro has historically the best artisanal cachaças in the world, so if anyone is interested in high quality, the origin of the cachaça can help. Also, don’t forget EBay... you can even find the cachaça Anísio Santiago at eBay, which is known as a rare product with the finest quality, perhaps the best of all cachaças! Here in the link… notice the price!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Anisio-Santiago-Havana-brazilian-cachaca-limited-RARE-/220655558156
http://cgi.ebay.com/Anisio-Santiago-Havana-brazilian-cachaca-limited-RARE-/220655558156
TEIXERAF
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Folks, I'm brazilian and a homebrewer beginner and I can say that Choop is far form being a beer style, it is just an unpasteurized pilsner served on tap, and as far as I know the word Chopp came from a German volume unity equivalent to 300 ml.
The word chopp on the BRAHMA CHOPP brand doesn't imply that the beer in this case is unpasteurized, actually if it comes in bootle it is, although they have their chopp version as well on tap - unpasteurized pilsner.
I totally agree with the folks here pointing out that the avarage brazilian brew industry deserves no more than one star, however the craft and home brew culture is sailing and today it is possible to find much better beer on supermakes shelves not to mention the pubs and brewpubs that are sprouting in most big cities - I myself have a - dream - project to set up a brewpub.
I also have to admit Brazilians don't understand beer the way it is perceived in Europe or America, we (they) undestand beer as ice-cold pilsners, but we need to look back to history to understand that until few year ago you couldn't find almost anything else - except from few Bock or Malzbier styles.
Chopp is indeed a cheap and unspectacular beer but due its freshness it is, at least, slighlty better than the avarage shelf beer that taste sometimes recycled toilet water.
All I can say is that it is changing for good and fast. Luckly, I live close by an excellent brewpub and go there often and they serve there an excellent variety of first-class ales. Lagom Brewpub.
I have worked in pubs both in Brazil and England and althought I'm inexperienced about brewing I know this industry from insideout from both sides.
The word chopp on the BRAHMA CHOPP brand doesn't imply that the beer in this case is unpasteurized, actually if it comes in bootle it is, although they have their chopp version as well on tap - unpasteurized pilsner.
I totally agree with the folks here pointing out that the avarage brazilian brew industry deserves no more than one star, however the craft and home brew culture is sailing and today it is possible to find much better beer on supermakes shelves not to mention the pubs and brewpubs that are sprouting in most big cities - I myself have a - dream - project to set up a brewpub.
I also have to admit Brazilians don't understand beer the way it is perceived in Europe or America, we (they) undestand beer as ice-cold pilsners, but we need to look back to history to understand that until few year ago you couldn't find almost anything else - except from few Bock or Malzbier styles.
Chopp is indeed a cheap and unspectacular beer but due its freshness it is, at least, slighlty better than the avarage shelf beer that taste sometimes recycled toilet water.
All I can say is that it is changing for good and fast. Luckly, I live close by an excellent brewpub and go there often and they serve there an excellent variety of first-class ales. Lagom Brewpub.
I have worked in pubs both in Brazil and England and althought I'm inexperienced about brewing I know this industry from insideout from both sides.
Chopp(e) is simply draft beer as opposed to bottled beer. Most of these are pasteurized macro-lagers produced by enormous conglomerates like Ambev. Unlike American draft systems, where kegs, lines and faucets are all refrigerated; due to the high relative cost of energy in Brasil, most kegs are held at ambient temperatures. Chopp(e) is served like our Jockey box thru a cold plate and faucets are frequently chilled with ice. ¨Lata¨ is PT for ¨can¨ and ¨Garrafa¨ is ¨bottle.¨ My PT isn´t great; but if you would like me to translate an article you´ve found, I´d be happy to forward it to Brasilian friends who can make a much better translation than I could. BTW the Google translator works pretty well; Brasilians refer to the ¨head¨ as ¨collar¨; this may help to make sense of the translation that Beezer94 found.
fenners
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I have genuinely learned a bunch from this thread. Thanks, guys & HBT
iasquith
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Well my two centavos worth ..I'm an english guy living in São Paulo for the past ten years .
It was the lack of decent examples of my beloved stouts, bitters and milds (I'm a Yorkshireman) that drove me to to embark upon this marvellous adventure we call homebrew.
Thankfully now that's changing and some good examples are emerging from micro-breweries like Colorado http://www.cervejariacolorado.com.br/home.php
They do an IPA with rapadura which for me outshines examples from back home .
The problem is that most craft beers tend to be beyond the reach of the man on the street because of the price . So Inbev reigns supreme! (crap beer)
However a well served choppe( draught beer) can be good with nice lacing and a very dense head (collar) hiding a refreshing pilsner lager underneath, the dark version that iv'e tried tends to be lacking in malt backbone but i guess its kinda like a very light porter or a nutt brown.
but with both these beers the impressive thing is the head like shaving foam.
But i still can't get used to the fact that the bar guy takes away the glass before Iv'e drunk the last dreggs and brings me another one wether i want it or not ..
As a rule of thumb if a bottled beer costs less than 8 reais 4 dollars avoid it like the plauge.
To the OP i guess i would make a basic pilsen lager maybe with a bit of oates for creaminess and go heavy on the nitro and stout faucet, same for the brown version
It was the lack of decent examples of my beloved stouts, bitters and milds (I'm a Yorkshireman) that drove me to to embark upon this marvellous adventure we call homebrew.
Thankfully now that's changing and some good examples are emerging from micro-breweries like Colorado http://www.cervejariacolorado.com.br/home.php
They do an IPA with rapadura which for me outshines examples from back home .
The problem is that most craft beers tend to be beyond the reach of the man on the street because of the price . So Inbev reigns supreme! (crap beer)
However a well served choppe( draught beer) can be good with nice lacing and a very dense head (collar) hiding a refreshing pilsner lager underneath, the dark version that iv'e tried tends to be lacking in malt backbone but i guess its kinda like a very light porter or a nutt brown.
but with both these beers the impressive thing is the head like shaving foam.
But i still can't get used to the fact that the bar guy takes away the glass before Iv'e drunk the last dreggs and brings me another one wether i want it or not ..
As a rule of thumb if a bottled beer costs less than 8 reais 4 dollars avoid it like the plauge.
To the OP i guess i would make a basic pilsen lager maybe with a bit of oates for creaminess and go heavy on the nitro and stout faucet, same for the brown version
