Black IPA grains?

[tacks]

I'm going to be brewing a black IPA for a homebrewing competition, and I've never done a black IPA. The contest sponsors are providing base malt but I need to know how much black barley to bring with me. My grain bill is for 7.5 gallons and is : 17 # 2 row and 2 # black patent. Is this too much black patent? I'm not exactly sure what the proteins are supposed to be.

 

[Zoidberg]

With my black IPA I use chocolate wheat. It has no husk so you don't get that astringent bitterness from the roasted husks on most grains. The small amount of wheat ( I think I used 1lb in 4 gallons) lends a good smooth mouthfeel.
You could also use carafa 1 2 or 3 special dehusked for some reasons but without the wheat

 

[beergolf]

I use 8oz of De-Bittered black in my black IPA's About 8 oz for 5 gallons makes it black with just a little roast flavor.

 

[tacks]

Thanks guys. Zoidberg, how much chocolate malt? I just want to have good proportions, in the past I've made mistakes of using way too much adjunct malt and had it completely overwhelm the beer. I like the idea of using the debittered since I wouldn't need much but chocolate malt sounds pretty good too.

 

[Zoidberg]

About 10%of total grist was perfect for mine. I also used about 25% rye malt and it came out great.

 

[Zoidberg]

The chocolate wheat is essentially same as debittered. He reason malt gives off a bitter/astringent taste to brews is because of a toasted husk. Debittered has had its husk removed before being toasted. Wheat malt had no husks to begin with.

 

[CA_Mouse]

It really depends on what you want to produce. Most BIPAs are hoppy porters. Use Carafa III and only about 8-12 ounces. Black Patent will make it too roasted flavored, which is fine if you want it to be a hoppy stout. I used 2oz of chocolate wheat and 8oz of Carafa III in mine for a 6 gallon batch.

 

[tacks]

Learning lots about the style, thanks guys.

 

[rodwha]

Most of the Cascadian Darks I've had were not roasty. One was.

Mine was like this (5.5 gal):

3/4 lb crystal 60
3/4 lb carafa II special
1/2 lb special roast

It was ~29 SRM's

It was a little roasty but quite nice.

 

[Zoidberg]

Right, not to say you can't use roasted barley or regular chocolate malt in an Black IPA. I just don't prefer and it seems most agree its better to use a debittered/dehusked grain for the color.

 

[sandyeggoxj]

I use 5% carafa I for my BIPA. It colors it nicely but it is just light enough that you can barely see light through it. I use 6% crystal blend for a little malt character and then load it up with chinook and simcoe.

 

[Poobah58]

Take a look at Midnight Wheat or Black Prinz...

 

[MindenMan]

I made a fantastic CDA, BIPA, whatever you want to call it. This is a 3.5 gallon batch.

Pale Ale 8.5 #
Crystal 40 0.5 #
Midnight Wheat 0.5 #
Brown Malt 0.25 #
Chocolate 0.25 #

I used a bunch of different hops.

Magnum 0.5 @90
Centennial 0.25@ 60
Cascade 1.0@ 30
Centennial 1.0@ 10
Cascade 0.75 @ 5

Dry hops:
Amarillo 0.5, 7 days
Citra 0.5, 7 days
U.S. Golding 0.5 ,7 days

This was an amazing BIPA, I was trying to clone Alaska Brewing Black IPA. I don't know how close it really was, but SWMBO loved it.

 

[Cadrian]

Ive been doing a lot of research on Black IPAs recently.... I did a black IPA last summer from a NB kit, soon as I tasted it I knew it feel very short of the mark. It was a hoppy porter....

The Grain bill consisted of
0.25 lbs Weyermann Carafa III
0.25 lbs Chocolate Malt
0.5 lbs Briess Caramel 80

I think the Chocolate malt really through it off.... Everything I read says Debittered Black Malt or Carafa and throw in some Crystal to make a true Black IPA, anything else seems like a Hoppy stout or porter.

The recipe I am putting together now is only Debittered Black malt, Crystal 75, and 2 row. Debating on putting in brown sugar to make it something different but not sure if it will take to much away from the show case of hops and very very slight roast.

 

[thaymond]

I used a pound of debittered black in a 5 gallon batch on my house ipa recipe, and it changed the flavor profile dramatically. It tastes like a hoppy stout more than an CDA. Not bad, but way too much debittered black for what I was going for. Next time I'll go with 4-8 oz. and see where that takes me.

On paper it says it's 42srm.

 

[Hjandersen]

Dehusked Carafa-III works well if you're primarily looking for color..

 

[Weezy]

it really depends on what you want to produce. Most bipas are hoppy porters. Use carafa iii and only about 8-12 ounces. Black patent will make it too roasted flavored, which is fine if you want it to be a hoppy stout. I used 2oz of chocolate wheat and 8oz of carafa iii in mine for a 6 gallon batch.

+1

 

[jaropkls]

I agree with Poobah. I've been using blackprinz a lot. Tons of color but very mild flavor contribution.