Best NEIPA hop combos

[Braufessor]

Braufessor, any recommendations for ratios if using citra, mosaic, and azacca? Been itching to try your recipe for a while, and though I don't have galaxy I have those other three. I have no feel for azacca as this is my first time using it and I don't know that I've had it in a commercial beer.

I would probably just go 1:1:1 with those 3. Azacca is not as prominent as Galaxy is (that is why I tend to go a bit less on galaxy normally.)

I guess it depends a little on your goal. If there is one of the hops you really want to come through, I would increase that one, and decrease the other two. But, if you are just going for a blend to come together, I think even parts would work fine.

 

[Tarpon87]

I used even parts for flame out and whirlpool additions, but added an extra .5oz of citra for each dry hop addition. No real rhyme or reason for, just wanted to I guess.

 

[filthyastronaut]

I have one fermenting with Ekuanot and Idaho 7, and so far the hops seem to go really well together. Might end up with a touch more pine than usual from the Ekuanot. Will report on results later.

 

[ErieShores]

I'm sorry, I just don't get anything "tropical" from Amarillo. They're just plain tinny/metallic to me.

 

[Br3w4u]

I brewed this yesterday and added 1oz. Each of citra, mosaic, and el dorado to the whirlpool. After I added the el dorado I tasted one and it was like eating a jalapeño. Is this going to make my beer spicy? I was going to add it to the dry hop bill too but now I'm thinking not.

 

[deepbluegroove]

I brewed this yesterday and added 1oz. Each of citra, mosaic, and el dorado to the whirlpool. After I added the el dorado I tasted one and it was like eating a jalapeño. Is this going to make my beer spicy? I was going to add it to the dry hop bill too but now I'm thinking not.

Never got spicy from el dorado

 

[griffi]

You tasted a pellet?

Never done that...

 

[Crispyvelo]

I like a clean bittering hop like Warrior. Columbus is a popular choice as well.

In my experience..... 50 batches or more of this kind of beer..... there is just no beating Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy. Personally, I prefer a 1.5: 1.0: .5 ratio on those hops for all flameout/whirlpool/dry hop additions.

Other hops that Work well in my experience - Simcoe, Amarillo, Azacca, Falconers Flight Blend

I like Centennial, Cascade in flame out additions, but now so much in dry hop additions.

Personal taste - I am not a huge fan of "danK" hops like Columbus, Eureka, Apollo, etc. in beers like this..... at least not in any sizable addition. Perhaps as a small accent addition. Plenty of people do like them though - just my preference.

A couple that I did that I liked:
1.5:1.5 ratio of Citra/Mosaic in all additions
2.5: .5 ratio of Citra/Galaxy
2.5: .5 ratio of Citra/Columbus
1:1:1 ratio of Simcoe/Centennial/Amarillo in flameout/whirlpool and then 1.5:1.5 ratio of Simcoe/Amarillo in dry hop

100% Citra or 100% Mosaic is quite good for a single hop approach

I always bitter to 30-50 IBU's at 60 minutes
*3 oz. at flame out
*3 oz. when temp. gets under 170 with 30 minute hop stand
*3 oz. Dry hop on day 3-4
*3 oz. Dry hop around day 10-12 for 2-3 days before kegging.

I'm brewing my first batch of NEIPA, and decided to go 50/50 all additions with Citra and Galaxy. I noticed your combo of the two was lighter on the Galaxy. Why?

 

[Br3w4u]

You tasted a pellet?

Never done that...

I taste a pellet out of every pack of hops that I brew with. Why wouldn't you? Hops are mans best friend!

 

[Braufessor]

I'm brewing my first batch of NEIPA, and decided to go 50/50 all additions with Citra and Galaxy. I noticed your combo of the two was lighter on the Galaxy. Why?

Personally, I find Galaxy to be a bit much when it is in large amounts. I just think it can get a little too assertive, potentially too harsh. I love it as a "compliment" to other hops - but it is just not something I have enjoyed when it is center stage.

That said - lots of people do love it front and center. So often it is not about "good and bad" - rather just personal preferences. Having brewed a ton of these beers, it is just what I have settled on.

 

[griffi]

I taste a pellet out of every pack of hops that I brew with. Why wouldn't you? Hops are mans best friend!

Convincing argument I'll give it a try!

 

[mmahu]

I use Comet ( 30 and 15 minutes additions + flameout ) for bittering and then Amarillo, Mosaic, Citra, Au35 ( experimental variety I can get from TheMaltMiller UK ), Motueka, Azzaca, El Dorado and NZ Riwaka.

Absolutely mindblowing, but quite expensive. I use 5 oz at flameout, 3.5 oz for dry hopping during the active fermentation and 10.5 oz before bottling/kegging.

 

[Hwk-I-St8]

I use Comet ( 30 and 15 minutes additions + flameout ) for bittering and then Amarillo, Mosaic, Citra, Au35 ( experimental variety I can get from TheMaltMiller UK ), Motueka, Azzaca, El Dorado and NZ Riwaka.

Absolutely mindblowing, but quite expensive. I use 5 oz at flameout, 3.5 oz for dry hopping during the active fermentation and 10.5 oz before bottling/kegging.

I'm assuming 10 gallon batch?

 

[chudsonvt]

I am a big Citra fan and have done straight Citra before and is never disappointing. But I usually do multi-variety additions. Gives a little more complexity. Equal parts Citra/Centennial/Comet is very good. Or equal parts just Citra/Centennial. I haven't tried it in anything yet, but will be doing one with Mosaic soon. I will be doing a hop-forward pale first to get an idea of how exactly Mosaic tastes. Based on the result, I will figure out how much I want to use in my next NEIPA and with which of my other fav's to pair with.

 

[mmahu]

I'm assuming 10 gallon batch?

No, it is actually a 5.5-6 gallons batch. I brew using the Grainfather and for this recipe I use around 7.5 kg ( 16.5 lbs ) of grains - Maris Otter, lots of flaked oats, wheat and oat malt. It tastes very good, but it is expensive, so I only made it twice, once alone and once along with my friend, to share expenses.

 

[filthyastronaut]

Happy to report that Idaho 7 and Ekuanot are a great combo. Possibly my favorite. Was already a fan of Ekuanot but Idaho 7 meshes with it so harmoniously. Very little pine from it too.

 

[malhal]

Could someone please explain the reason for the flame-out addition on some of the hob combos posted, if the beer has already had its initial bittering addition? My understanding is hop pellets in boiling wort either gives bitterness or vegetable flavour if unlucky, hence why reason to chill to 80C first before adding the flavour hops.

 

[marjen]

Could someone please explain the reason for the flame-out addition on some of the hob combos posted, if the beer has already had its initial bittering addition? My understanding is hop pellets in boiling wort either gives bitterness or vegetable flavour if unlucky, hence why reason to chill to 80C first before adding the flavour hops.

At the very tail end if adding hops at FO, it will probably add a little bitterness but also flavor and aroma. I do these quite often but also start cooling right away so within a couple mins I am down into the 170-175 range anyway and it starts my whirlpool. FWIW I seem to get better hop flavor when I start and FO, no idea why or if its just coincidence.

 

[2005STi]

I can't believe I haven't seen one mention of Nelson Sauvin. Probably the best hop forward beer I've made was simply:
Nelson/Mosaic 2:1 ratio
40% flaked oats
60% pils
Wyeast 1318

 

[ProblemChild]

Getting ready to dryhop, but the sample from the port is such that I may not want to wait even a few more days -

X331, Idaho 7, Citra, Amarillo

Unless dryhopping with same screws something up, this is going to be the most incredible thing I have ever tasted.

 

[ba-brewer]

Getting ready to dryhop, but the sample from the port is such that I may not want to wait even a few more days -

X331, Idaho 7, Citra, Amarillo

Unless dryhopping with same screws something up, this is going to be the most incredible thing I have ever tasted.

Where/when did you get the X331 hops?

I bought a small amount of X331 from farmhouse brew supply to check the flavor and by the time I got back to get some more they were out of stock.

 

[ProblemChild]

recently at Farmhouse

 

[ba-brewer]

thanks ProblemChild.

Every time I look they are out of stock, guess I need to check more often.

 

[PineappleShadow]

Just kegged one using cascade to bitter. Whirlpooled with cascade, lemon drop, amarillo and azacca.
Dry hopped in fermentor and keg with all four as well. Tastes quite tropical so far, I'm sure it will get better with carbonation and the keg hops.

 

[Morrey]

Of the combos I use, I like GMC (Galaxy/Mosaic/Citra) the best. I use CTZ bittering extract instead of hops at 60 min. Galaxy is dominate so I use a bit less than the other two hops. I use 12 ounces of GMC total remembering I am bittering for 20 IBU's with CO2 extract.

Another thing that makes me like this hop combo is the SO4 to Cl ratio. I use 1:2 or 75 SO4 to 150 Cl

 

[smax0711]

I was just wondering, has anyone ever tried a NEIPA with some parts of Cascade or does this give too much of a dominant cascade citrus taste?

 

[thehaze]

Cascade is too citrusy/lemony in my opinion and does not pair well in a NEIPA. It could work in a smaller qty, where other fruitty hops are dominant.

Azacca, El Dorado, Denali, Amarillo, Citra, Mosaic, Motueka work well in NEIPA and many others, I am sure.

 

[Braufessor]

I was just wondering, has anyone ever tried a NEIPA with some parts of Cascade or does this give too much of a dominant cascade citrus taste?

I have done some with Cascade/Centennial..... They are not the same as those with Galaxy/Mosaic/Citra...... but they have played a part in some nice beers and I have liked them. In particular, if you can get your hands on some good cascade or centennial.

Cascade/Centennial/Citra
Cascade/Centennial/Simcoe
Cascade/Centennial/Amarillo
Cascade/Centennial/Summit
Centennial/Amarillo/Simcoe

I have done all of these and they have turned out well.

I have not done any without that "3rd hop" to go with cascade/centennial.

 

[Jtk78]

I have done one with citra/mosiac/galaxy that was outstanding, and one with citra/mosaic/Amarillo that was good, but not as good.

I've been wondering how Centennial would play with this style? Sounds like it would do well.

 

[day_trippr]

I think Centennial would get lost behind Mosaic and Citra...

Cheers!