Beer recipe etiquette

[brewtasting]

Beyond all of that - I think if you want to put something together it should include detail, process, water considerations, etc. And, should include contact/input/permission from the person who's recipe you are using..... not so much for "legal" reasons as much as simple decency.

I totally agree with what you have said.

 

[brewtasting]

I think you should hunt down the creator of some tried and true recipes and do an interview with each one.

Make the recipe more about it being a result of a person culture/environment/etc.

This I would be interested in and that's what people buy up these days.

Cooking books are sold on the personality of the chef or the culture where the food comes from.

Or even break up the sections by homebrew club (HBT,AHA) or by region.

Just ideas here, good luck.

Great ideas. And I have access to a few local home brew clubs. Plus I know the owners of at least a few breweries that I have business dealings with. I think I can start from this local pool. And they are a great bunch of people to boot.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

I think you should hunt down the creator of some tried and true recipes and do an interview with each one.

Make the recipe more about it being a result of a person culture/environment/etc.

I think this is an awesome idea. For example, I have a milk stout recipe that if you just read the recipe, it looks like a bit of a complicated mess. But everyone who has tasted it loves it, everyone who has brewed it loves it, and when I created it, I had reasons for including exactly what I included. Having a site which included the recipe but ALSO included notes from the brewer about why specific choices were made is important.

BTW, you retain copyright to the tasting notes, etc (whether registered or not) because that is original content that you created.

Well, that depends. You'll notice that EVERY page in this forum has a copyright of homebrewtalk.com at the bottom of it. You don't get copyright JUST because it's your original content. Original content that you post on this forum is owned by Homebrewtalk.com.

If you create original content on your own web site, you own that copyright. But generally it would cause all sorts of legal issues for an online forum to grant copyright to every individual user. So HBT owns everything posted here, even if it's your content.

 

[cactusgarrett]

I think whether it's a worthwhile venture or not depends on the intent, and I guess (speaking for myself) I haven't gleaned that from the info provided. One of the guys in the club I'm in is suggesting something similar, but it's more for sharing within the group and having a more interactive experience with it. Something like:

"Hey, I plan on brewing this, let me know what you think and let's tweak it and work towards a final product."
-or-
"Hey, here's the recipe from that beer I made that you guys said you liked. On file, hit me with questions."

Something like a personal touch aspect. When others talk about credibility, I think that factors in more when you're just curating recipes and throwing them out into the ether for faceless strangers to view.

 

[z-bob]

I think this is an awesome idea. For example, I have a milk stout recipe that if you just read the recipe, it looks like a bit of a complicated mess. But everyone who has tasted it loves it, everyone who has brewed it loves it, and when I created it, I had reasons for including exactly what I included. Having a site which included the recipe but ALSO included notes from the brewer about why specific choices were made is important.



Well, that depends. You'll notice that EVERY page in this forum has a copyright of homebrewtalk.com at the bottom of it. You don't get copyright JUST because it's your original content. Original content that you post on this forum is owned by Homebrewtalk.com.

If you create original content on your own web site, you own that copyright. But generally it would cause all sorts of legal issues for an online forum to grant copyright to every individual user. So HBT owns everything posted here, even if it's your content.

I'm pretty sure I own all the content I create here, and HBT has unlimited rights or license to use it. HBT has a copyright on the aggregate content, the layout, etc. (not sure that it matters)

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

I'm pretty sure I own all the content I create here, and HBT has unlimited rights or license to use it. HBT has a copyright on the aggregate content, the layout, etc. (not sure that it matters)

Well, you might be right on that. I just went to the HBT sign up page and tried to click on the link to the TOS for the site, and got a 404 error.

So it's entirely possible that there were NO terms of service that we actually agreed to when we signed up. I guess anything goes!

Looking around Google, it looks like as the author, you do not surrender copyright to the work. But based upon the TOS, you may have granted HBT unlimited rights to basically do ANYTHING they want with it. I.e. if they wanted to take all of your posts and compile them into a book, sell it on Amazon, you've probably given them that right to your content. Because their TOS will most likely state (to protect them from ever having to fight over copyright) that anything you post here grants them permanent license to use it however they see fit. Writing their TOS in any other way could cause them many, many headaches.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

One more thing... Searching around, some TOS actually don't limit republishing of forum content to only the original author and the site itself. Depending on that, we may have granted (by posting it here) anyone in the world the right to republish our recipes, tasting notes, etc. In that case, things posted on HBT may have basically been granted to public domain.

It's all about the TOS. I'm not sure what HBT's TOS actually says, however, since I got that 404 error.

 

[TheHopfather]

Copyright in the US is automatically assigned to the author when it is created. HBT does not own all of the posts here, the author of the posts do. Everyone may have agreed to let HBT use these posts without permission and royalty free, but the site does not own the posts. I believe that the copyright laws of the country the server is hosted in are the ones that apply.

Back to the topic the more detailed the recipe the better. Make sure to include the efficiency of the system the recipe is using. Include a water profile, fermentation temps/time, use grain percentages rather then weight amounts. That is all important information in trying to replicate a recipe.

 

[TheHopfather]

One more thing... Searching around, some TOS actually don't limit republishing of forum content to only the original author and the site itself. Depending on that, we may have granted (by posting it here) anyone in the world the right to republish our recipes, tasting notes, etc. In that case, things posted on HBT may have basically been granted to public domain.

It's all about the TOS. I'm not sure what HBT's TOS actually says, however, since I got that 404 error.

I'm not sure that is true. ToS does not override Federal law...

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

Copyright in the US is automatically assigned to the author when it is created. HBT does not own all of the posts here, the author of the posts do. Everyone may have agreed to let HBT use these posts without permission and royalty free, but the site does not own the posts. I believe that the copyright laws of the country the server is hosted in are the ones that apply.

I'm not sure that is true. ToS does not override Federal law...

Yes, and I think that's where I might have been mistaken. I.e. if I post something here it doesn't grant HBT copyright... I.e. they have NO power to tell me that the content I posted here cannot be simultaneously posted [by me] to another forum or to my blog.

So you are right, ToS can't force me to give up my copyright.

However, ToS can be written in such a way as to grant a permanent license to HBT to use that content in any way they like, free, and without requiring any further permission from me.

So while you don't lose copyright, you can definitely lose control over how your content is used when you post to a forum.