right, so you redefine what royalty is then claim that your new definition applies here. Your definition is really just popular wealthy people. Like the kardashians. Or the osbournes. No. While you can call people in this country royalty all day long, its a huge difference. People living under royalty actually have to swear alligance to these people, its not just some loose term you may think is cute to throw around. People died for this distinction.
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right, so you redefine what royalty is then claim that your new definition applies here. Your definition is really just popular wealthy people. Like the kardashians. Or the osbournes. No. While you can call people in this country royalty all day long, its a huge difference. People living under royalty actually have to swear alligance to these people, its not just some loose term you may think is cute to throw around. People died for this distinction.
Just makes me even more proud to be working class...
I still can't fathom how a country like England (Great Britain, wutevs) can tolerate this crap in this day and age. Fine. Whatever. I don't live there and it doesn't directly affect me EXCEPT when this crap spews into my nation's news, which should be concentrated on matters of state, the economy, justice, finance, and beer. Piss on the royals.
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I'm British (English) and I don't personally give a rats about the wedding or the family. However the Royal Family are a great tourism attraction and bring millions in revenues to our little economy, they are a net earner for the UK. They have no political power and are just another rich and famous family like the Rockefellers or the Beckhams. They just made their place in society a different way. I think we treat them about right, certainly wouldn't like to go down the French route.
British Wines are not bad, pretty well all white, as we don't have the climate to grow decent red grapes. One of my local vineyards won some sort of best sparkling white in Europe recently, beating the French.
Where did that come from? 1066 Norman Invasion? they were decended from Vikings (Norsemen). We've had Welsh (The Tudors), Dutch (House of Orange), German (House of Hanover) etc.
The Queen is directly descended from Queen Victoria (which is a bit strange - see the quote below!!!), last of the Hanovers, her husband is Greek. But she can trace her ancestry back to Alfred the Great, the Anglo Saxon King of around 880 AD. She's as British as any of us mongrels.
And YES I think the decision to exclude beer is snobbish rubbish, but what would they serve? Which brewery would they "honour" with their choice? There are some really bad national brands, and some really good. and several hundred excellent micros.. It would be a nightmare IMHO
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I highly doubt the kids are going to be involved in making the decisions themselves. They have planners digging deep into the meanings of EVERYTHING.
So, honestly, this is real snobbery. Wine over Beer. Beer is for the commoners, and we won't have it for a royal wedding!
So they don't know, or conveniently forget that some beers were made especially for royal weddings, and the best beers were very often brewed just for royalty, and exported for courts of foreign countries.
It's not that they are foregoing bad beer, they have decided that beer, in any way shape or form, is not suitable for people of such class.
Arrogant.
I am so glad I'm not invited. I can't stand wine.
So, honestly, this is real snobbery. Wine over Beer. Beer is for the commoners, and we won't have it for a royal wedding!
So they don't know, or conveniently forget that some beers were made especially for royal weddings, and the best beers were very often brewed just for royalty, and exported for courts of foreign countries.
It's not that they are foregoing bad beer, they have decided that beer, in any way shape or form, is not suitable for people of such class.
Arrogant.
I am so glad I'm not invited. I can't stand wine.
SpanishCastleAle
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If they don't want to serve beer that's their choice. As they say; there's no accounting for taste. Let those simpletons drink their wine and maybe someday they can become enlightened enough to know good drink.
The Brewers over here have gone mad for it though... Cleverly borrowing headlines from our red-top newsrags. I have recently seen:
By Royal A-Pint-Ment
Prince of (w)Ales
The Brewing industry thinks that 100 million pints (20oz) will be consumed on the day of the wedding which, for a country with a total population of about 60m, is quite a lot!
By Royal A-Pint-Ment
Prince of (w)Ales
The Brewing industry thinks that 100 million pints (20oz) will be consumed on the day of the wedding which, for a country with a total population of about 60m, is quite a lot!
doctorRobert
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BeerEagle said:
Easy. Fullers.
PaganusProeliator
I'm not stupid, I'm advanced
It would have to be in firkins, on CamRA would have a fit. 
SpanishCastleAle
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Would the fact that, by far, the most well known brewery on the island is Irish have any influence on how the royal family perceives beer?
PaganusProeliator said:It would have to be in firkins, on CamRA would have a fit.
CAMRA (bows head in reverence) say that bottled is OK as long as it is bottle-conditioned and not artificially carbonated. But then the posh folks would have take care of the yeast deposit or get a stout yeoman to pour it for them.
SpanishCastleAle said:
Sadly they stopped brewing in the UK some years ago and now all Guinness in the UK is brewed in Dublin. Except for some imported bottles from Nigeria where they brew it slightly stronger.
Anyway, I think the younger generation of royals do enjoy a pint or two.
The groom's dad himself has a beer, don't forget. He could just bring a case of his own along.
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PyroBoy102
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Obviously they've never seen anyone get deliriously hobo drunk on wine before...
Skarekrough
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Hard for me to get worked up about it as I wasn't invited.
PijanyPole
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Burn her anyway!
Read a bit of British history. Monarchs have done good and bad things, but the English kings served as protectors against predatory neighbors on more than one important occasion. I'm an American but a bit of an Anglophile and I believe in respect to a tradition that goes back hundreds of years.
As a result of English rule you have trial by jury, habeus corpus, and the spread of Protestantism, all good things in my opinion.
doctorRobert
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rexbanner said:
What have they done for me lately?
Also, all those things could have happened without a momarchy, like all the progress in this country, with no king.
PijanyPole
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I hate to say it and I'm sure i will be flamed for it, but... America is the next empire in decline.
It's ****E being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low, the scum of the ****ing earth, the most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English, I don't. They're just ******s. We, on the other hand, are colonized by ******s. We can't even find a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a ****e state of affairs to be in, Tommy! And all the fresh air in the world won't make any ****ing difference! (ty rent boy)
The queen can kiss my beer stained ass for all i care. To say that the kings of england sevred as protectors is to say that the Mafia should be granted a hall pass as well. Nothing but royal extortion.
It's ****E being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low, the scum of the ****ing earth, the most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English, I don't. They're just ******s. We, on the other hand, are colonized by ******s. We can't even find a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a ****e state of affairs to be in, Tommy! And all the fresh air in the world won't make any ****ing difference! (ty rent boy)
The queen can kiss my beer stained ass for all i care. To say that the kings of england sevred as protectors is to say that the Mafia should be granted a hall pass as well. Nothing but royal extortion.
My goal is to turn the royal wedding into a drinking game....a beer drinking game! Every time someone says "royal" on tv I plan on drinking one. I figure I will be passed out by 20 minutes into it and then won't have to watch the rest of it.
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Montanaandy
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"God save the Queen, cause tourists mean money" (The Sex Pistols). Pretty much sums up the British Monarchy.
There would be no progress without some type of monarchy, particularly, a constitutional monarchy. Monarchy is the most natural form of human government for a large population, but obviously not the best. You need a transition. In the beginning, a good monarchy brings rule of law and protection from outside invasion, the two essentials for society. Over time, society can move towards representative democracy. There would be no U.S. as we know it without Britain.
Sometimes it really amazes me at how ignorant people still are around the world about beer. It just boggles me that people who are generally educated, affluent, and socially sophisticated are completely unlearned in what is the most sophisticated alcoholic beverage that humankind has created. Sad, really.
This is equivalent to saying that you respect slavery because America wouldn't have gotten where it did without slavery (which it wouldn't have). I live in Virginia, which was the capitol of the south during the civil war. If the state flag of Virginia carried an image of an old slavemaster driving his chattel to market I think there would and should be general outrage, despite its historic significance to the history of the state. The monarchy and royalty in general is also the embodiment and symbol of a very fundamental immorality and should not be idolized or even tolerated. Even if every monarch that ever lived was a perfectly virtuous human being and did nothing but good, the idea that a person is pre-ordained to hold power over his fellow man is not an value that any enlightened person should consign themselves to accept. For this same reason Caste and Class systems are also unethical. If you believe that people should be judged on their merits instead of the station of their birth then you should not consider royalty to be anything but wrong.
You recommended I read a little british history, I recommend you read a little Thomas Paine.
As an Englishman, I would say ale is far more 'british' than wine. That's not to say we don't make good wines, but traditionally our ales are far better. So it would probably be mainly foreign wine. It's true that the royal family was French in origin, from 1066 onwards, but sometime in the 18th century they ran out of children and we some distant relatives from what is now a part of Germany. But with all the royal inbreeding in the 18th and 19th centuries it;s quite hard to really say where they're descended from.
As for why the royals are still here, apart from tradition and the fact that we can't be bothered getting rid of them and the fact that they have no actual power, the amount they add to Britain's tourist industry is sometimes thought to be more than they cost us, thus making them a money-making scheme.
But the point is, we should all be drinking beer. Barley wines if necessary (one theory of the invention of barley wines is that the nobles wanted something to drink, ale wasn't strong enough and drinking wine was unpatriotic in the days when war with France was basically a national pasttime.)
I didn't expect Americans to really care about this wedding anyway. Most people in Britain don't; the only reason anyone I know is watching it is to play silly drinking games.
As for why the royals are still here, apart from tradition and the fact that we can't be bothered getting rid of them and the fact that they have no actual power, the amount they add to Britain's tourist industry is sometimes thought to be more than they cost us, thus making them a money-making scheme.
But the point is, we should all be drinking beer. Barley wines if necessary (one theory of the invention of barley wines is that the nobles wanted something to drink, ale wasn't strong enough and drinking wine was unpatriotic in the days when war with France was basically a national pasttime.)
I didn't expect Americans to really care about this wedding anyway. Most people in Britain don't; the only reason anyone I know is watching it is to play silly drinking games.
spiny_norman
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Who was, of course, British, and like the other most lauded Founders (Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc.) was an anti-religious deist, freethinker, rationalist and proponent of critical thinking and reason--and yet most Americans find this highly disagreeable because it is incongruous with Christian doctrine. Fascinating stuff, but we should be discussing this over a beer. Oddly enough, it is Thomas Paine that makes me proud to be both a British and US Citizen.
"Fook the British!"
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