BEER + BBQ = HEALTHY!!!!(marinade negates carcinogens)

[GuldTuborg]

I think thats why one of the restaurants near me put this on their menu

This is hilarious, and probably a good business move to boot.

 

[chocotaco]

I gotta say I would feel better about these "findings" if they had done a control where they soak the steak in cold water rather than beer.

Since the carcinogens are formed by high heat, by having soaking wet meat, you are effectively poaching it rather than grilling it. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why it seems safer (the moisture, not the beer's antioxidants)

 

[Bobbybob]

Grow a pair of what, exactly?

Tumors?

 

[HomebrewCraig]

Tumors?

Considerably less likely in me than you!

 

[HomebrewCraig]

The thing is you're not spouting information people haven't heard before. Some people like to enjoy grilled meat. Some people don't. Whatever your motive for posting in this thread you come of as pompous with a better than thou mentality.

I personally don't care what other people wish to eat. If it can be avoided I never eat GMO anything, but I wouldn't go into a thread where people were talking about a great way to eat GMO and tell them they're wrong for doing so.

You prefer to not eat meat. Good for you (I really mean that). People in this thread prefer to eat meat. Well, that's their prerogative. I'm sure they didn't come into this thread to be chided.

I didn't say it was wrong to eat meat. Whether I believe it to be so or not is besides the point, I simply challenged the claim that eating meat can be healthy.

I find that quite often, it's a matter of exposure. People remain ignorant until they learn about it. It's not shameful, it's just a matter of someone learning something new which shatters their current paradigm. In my case I was a happy carnivore until I read a book which spoke about the health ramifications of eating meat. I didn't quit right then, but my interest in knowing more so I could make my own educated decision about what I choose to put into my body. Now, I don't say that my way is the absolute right way, but it is for me. Who knows? Someone else may see it and think "What, eating meat causes heart disease? I want to know more!"

It could happen.

 

[dfc]

I didn't say it was wrong to eat meat. Whether I believe it to be so or not is besides the point, I simply challenged the claim that eating meat can be healthy.

I find that quite often, it's a matter of exposure. People remain ignorant until they learn about it. It's not shameful, it's just a matter of someone learning something new which shatters their current paradigm. In my case I was a happy carnivore until I read a book which spoke about the health ramifications of eating meat. I didn't quit right then, but my interest in knowing more so I could make my own educated decision about what I choose to put into my body. Now, I don't say that my way is the absolute right way, but it is for me. Who knows? Someone else may see it and think "What, eating meat causes heart disease? I want to know more!"

It could happen.

Fair enough. I'm just letting you know (good intentions or not) the way you're coming off. It's sometimes hard to tell context via text.

 

[cheezydemon3]

I honestly am becoming concerned about carcinogens in grilled meats. This info (hope it holds out) is enough to ease my mind about the grilling.

The funny title of this thread was meant to attract people. A great member posted it before, but with a lame title. This is a very cool beer story. People should see it!

If they learn something, all the better.

 

[roastquake]

I'm taking this information and running with it. Saturday I made BBQ jerk chicken, the marinade was just half jerk sauce and half Fullers London porter clone. Came out great! when I get home today I think I just might sink a pork loin in some beer based marinade and let that go until the weekend and smoke it over some apple wood. Now the question is what beer should I use? Porter, CTZ IPA, APA, roggenbier, wee heavy, man come to think of it I have a sh*tload of beer.

 

[cheezydemon3]

I don't like IPAs in cooking.

Take with that the fact that to me, Stone Ruination is about the perfect IPA, and Bell's 2 hearted is about the perfect beer.

Bitter food does not agree with my palate.

Coffee marinated steak is fantastic, so stout marinated steak would be great, I am sure.

ALSO.......dark, unfiltered homebrew has the most antioxidants......arguably more than red wine, and so the most benefit in regards to this article.......(I assume)

 

[garcia]

I would have to say that sticking my head into the lion's mouth, as you put it, has long been a hobby of mine. Cast out, set the line, and yank hard.

If I had a vegetarian rice recipe thread and you came in and said that the rice would be better with chicken stock, I would have to ask what your definition of better is.. Better taste, or better health? One is subjective, one is clinical.

There's so many mis-informational or dis-informational things that are put out there. And I am sure that there are certain elements who believe what they read, simply because someone claiming to be an expert or having an insider view have made the claim. In the case of this thread, I bet that some have clicked fully expecting to find out that their health is indeed improved by eating the charred flesh of an animal bathed in some sauce and washed down with beer. And I sure don't mind taking some heat when I say something that upsets the apple cart. I did, as it may be, choose to enter the arena with the lion.

You're giving it more thought than it deserves. I just wanted to be funny. I fully understand that BBQ isn't healty, but I willingly choose to eat, as I choose to drink beer. I am overweight, and understand the health consequences of it, I try to get my 8-10 hours a week of exercise.

I'm 6'2" 27 (turning 28 soon) 220lbs, can bench a little over my weight, squat and dead about twiceu weight. BP 120/60, 50 BPMs, both grandfathers nonagenarians hanging on strong and blood work ideal. I am fully cognizant that my diet will eventually catch up with me, but until then... I'll continue with the wreckless diet.

 

[headbanger]

If this is true there's a pretty good chance that I may live forever!

 

[roastquake]

If this is true there's a pretty good chance that I may live forever!

With all the conflicting articles about the food and drink I consume, it would seem that I have an equal chance of living forever and dying right this very second

 

[headbanger]

With all the conflicting articles about the food and drink I consume, it would seem that I have an equal chance of living forever and dying right this very second

Amen to that!

 

[unionrdr]

With all the pit BBQ'ing we do in warm weather,I think...this is the end,my long lost friend,the end...my only friend,the end.....

 

[roastquake]

With all the pit BBQ'ing we do in warm weather,I think...this is the end,my long lost friend,the end...my only friend,the end.....

Why the end? it's healthy now, just add beer!

 

[DrunkleJon]

Why the end? it's healthy now, just add beer!

Whats a BBQ without beer? I guess we must have subconsciously knew this already?

 

[garcia]

Whats a BBQ without beer? I guess we must have subconsciously knew this already?

Evolution my friend, evolution.

 

[unionrdr]

The chain of conversation & actual subject matter made me think of the old Door's song.

 

[cheezydemon3]

The chain of conversation & actual subject matter made me thing of the old Door's song.

Freudian slip?

Unionrdr is a THING.....of THE END......

Poetically interesting.....

 

[unionrdr]

The gearhead thing that wouldn't die! Had to fix the spelling,oops.

 

[CGVT]

Ahhhh. So I see that another anti-meat guy is claiming that it is not healthy to eat meat and acting as if that is fact. It assuredly is not a fact, but don't let that stop you from "educating" the heathens.

 

[CGVT]

There's so many mis-informational or dis-informational things that are put out there. And I am sure that there are certain elements who believe what they read, simply because someone claiming to be an expert or having an insider view have made the claim.

In my case I was a happy carnivore until I read a book which spoke about the health ramifications of eating meat.

Haha!

 

[HomebrewCraig]

Yep, I read a book. It happened to be written by a doctor with 40+ years of clinical research, whose work has been peer reviewed hundreds of times and whose research has spawned thousands of other research projects. So I'd consider that first author a credible source. But it doesn't stop there! American Cancer Society, National Institutes of Health, and many many more credible organizations who have spent millions of dollars in research projects have come to the same conclusion.

Eat meat if you want, that's your choice. But you cannot deny that there are health effects.

 

[cheezydemon3]

The MOST convincing thing I had ever seen was the simple "death rate" chart from countries where nazis had confuscated all the animals.

People seemed to just stop dying after being vegetarian for a year or so.

That said, I can't WAIT for my meat filled dinner!

I stewed a bunch of chicken last night because it was looking a little freezer burned. Tonight is chicken enchiladas, cheese enchiladas, and smoked BEEF enchiladas......

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

 

[CGVT]

Yep, I read a book. It happened to be written by a doctor with 40+ years of clinical research, whose work has been peer reviewed hundreds of times and whose research has spawned thousands of other research projects. So I'd consider that first author a credible source. But it doesn't stop there! American Cancer Society, National Institutes of Health, and many many more credible organizations who have spent millions of dollars in research projects have come to the same conclusion.

Eat meat if you want, that's your choice. But you cannot deny that there are health effects.

Do you eat grains and corn?

The health effects are much worse than those of eating meat.

Follow the money...

 

[HomebrewCraig]

Do you eat grains and corn?

The health effects are much worse than those of eating meat.

Follow the money...

I'm sure you have some clinically researched and widely accepted proof, right?

Can't wait to see it.

There's absolutely no critically accepted research done which states that plant-based protein is unhealthy and animal-based protein is healthy.

 

[CGVT]

I didn't say plant based protein was unhealthy.

I said grains and corn were unhealthy.

They are.

 

[CGVT]

Start with this and check out the studies he references. Open your mind

http://youtu.be/lDneyrETR2o

 

[HomebrewCraig]

Gary Taubes... I am familiar with him. He's a writer without a medical degree who has advocated The Atkins diet, which has been thoroughly proven to wreck your health in the long term for short-term results (which disappear once the diet is given up)

"I do indeed eat three eggs with cheese, bacon and sausage for breakfast every morning, typically a couple of cheeseburgers (no bun) or a roast chicken for lunch, and more often than not, a rib eye or New York steak (grass fed) for dinner, usually in the neighborhood of a pound of meat. I cook with butter and, occasionally, olive oil (the sausages). My snacks run to cheese and almonds. So lots of fat and saturated fat and very little carbohydrates." Even disregarding the economic, environmental and ethical issues raised by consuming all this meat, the burden of proof for a diet like Gary’s should be quite high.

EDIT

Here's a great critique of Gary Taubes:

http://lesswrong.com/tag/gary_taubes/


He's just another crackpot trying to cash in on the diet obsession fad.

 

[CGVT]

Open your mind. Watch the video or read his book. (it has nothing to do with the Atkins diet, BTW) Read the studies that he references. You are wrong on all counts.

Have fun. Enjoy your lentils and beans.

Now if you excuse me, I am going out back to grill a ribeye and have a beer (the only acceptable use for grain).

I doubt that you will live longer, but even if you do, why would you want to?

Carry on