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Very true, when blood sugar is very low you really do lack the ability to think. Definitely much more than someone who has had a beer or two. Or you could pass out with a loaded gun in your hand. Always a bad idea.
It's also really easy to correct. If you know you have that issue, you carry things with you to take care of it. Even a good snack will do the job. Or eating properly before you go to the range.

I'm failing to see how the possibility of a particular person having low blood sugar justifies drinking while shooting.
It doesn't. If anything, it adds another level of responsibility onto the shoulders of the shooter.

IF I'm going to the range in the morning, I have a decent b-fast. Even if that's just a bowl of oatmeal. If in the afternoon, I make sure I have a good lunch. I also bring other things to munch on IF I suspect I'll be there long enough where I'll need it.

Pretty easy to take care of if you're SMART about this. Be stupid and I have no sympathy for anything that happens to you.
 
I'm failing to see how the possibility of a particular person having low blood sugar justifies drinking while shooting.
Please note, having *a* drink while in the possession or even firing a firearm is vastly different than getting drunk while firing a loaded firearm. My point is that there are many impairments and you should always be aware of your capability under your current conditions (having a beer being a possible one of them). I would agree with you in that being impaired to the point where you become a danger is not just dangerous with this very dangerous tool but a plethora of other items as well. Yet almost daily I see at least one person drooping behind the wheel of a car on the interstate on my way home.

I am too, if a person has low blood sugar knows that they do. Which it seems like they would if they are old enough to be shooting guns. Then they would know the risks and make sure that they had the proper levels, if they were worried about their health that is. Unlike in the situation where drinking is intentially making yourself intoxicated and could lead to someone being hurt. Now 1-2 beers probably is fine but any more, or hard booze, could for sure lead to unseen consequences.
While it is possible that in the case of a diabetic (for example) that a person may be aware of their dip, that is far from a guarantee. Many fights were had with my wife when she was low blood sugar who believed it did not impair her in any way. Recording the situation and convincing her to watch through it changed her tune right away hence why I brought the example up in the first place.

I agree with your latter assertion however and it is my primary issue here. People dismissively assume that consuming even a thimbleful of alcohol impairs you and makes you a danger to others but even using one of the earlier tests for alcohol impairment while driving they showed that small amounts actually increase attention being paid rather than decreasing it in many people and in some people that amount is even larger. Instead, we've created this hysteria around the subject to the point that I won't even have a single beer when out to dinner because it's not worth the bull**** they put you through if you're pulled over and there is still a possibility the cop can or will throw the book (DWI anyway) at you even with a BAC of 0.001%.


Further, how far do you extend it? Do you not allow people with literal "blind spots" to fire a weapon in any manner? My father cannot see until you've passed 30 degrees on the right side of his head with his peripheral vision. Is this not a similar sort of danger also? How about someone with a cough? Long hair? Poor hearing? If you're going to stigmatize something because you might be impaired the tiniest bit where do you draw the line?

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to imply there isn't significant responsibility and safety risks involved with handling what is arguably one of the most dangerous tools ever created. However, I also am not of the mindset that a single beer (or even two in some people's cases) should impair the average person to the point they are unable to handle the firearm in question safely. I am, however, a heavy advocate that people should be responsible for all their activities, this one included, and should handle such dangers with the proper discretion. Granted opinions vary here and I do not fault people with different ones but that also doesn't mean I'm going to just blindly agree with them either.

Sorry if I rambled a bit. It's early and the baby is sick so I'm half out of it. (IMPAIRED!! ;) )
 
Please note, having *a* drink while in the possession or even firing a firearm is vastly different than getting drunk while firing a loaded firearm. My point is that there are many impairments and you should always be aware of your capability under your current conditions (having a beer being a possible one of them). I would agree with you in that being impaired to the point where you become a danger is not just dangerous with this very dangerous tool but a plethora of other items as well. Yet almost daily I see at least one person drooping behind the wheel of a car on the interstate on my way home.

While it is possible that in the case of a diabetic (for example) that a person may be aware of their dip, that is far from a guarantee. Many fights were had with my wife when she was low blood sugar who believed it did not impair her in any way. Recording the situation and convincing her to watch through it changed her tune right away hence why I brought the example up in the first place.

I agree with your latter assertion however and it is my primary issue here. People dismissively assume that consuming even a thimbleful of alcohol impairs you and makes you a danger to others but even using one of the earlier tests for alcohol impairment while driving they showed that small amounts actually increase attention being paid rather than decreasing it in many people and in some people that amount is even larger. Instead, we've created this hysteria around the subject to the point that I won't even have a single beer when out to dinner because it's not worth the bull**** they put you through if you're pulled over and there is still a possibility the cop can or will throw the book (DWI anyway) at you even with a BAC of 0.001%.


Further, how far do you extend it? Do you not allow people with literal "blind spots" to fire a weapon in any manner? My father cannot see until you've passed 30 degrees on the right side of his head with his peripheral vision. Is this not a similar sort of danger also? How about someone with a cough? Long hair? Poor hearing? If you're going to stigmatize something because you might be impaired the tiniest bit where do you draw the line?

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to imply there isn't significant responsibility and safety risks involved with handling what is arguably one of the most dangerous tools ever created. However, I also am not of the mindset that a single beer (or even two in some people's cases) should impair the average person to the point they are unable to handle the firearm in question safely. I am, however, a heavy advocate that people should be responsible for all their activities, this one included, and should handle such dangers with the proper discretion. Granted opinions vary here and I do not fault people with different ones but that also doesn't mean I'm going to just blindly agree with them either.

Sorry if I rambled a bit. It's early and the baby is sick so I'm half out of it. (IMPAIRED!! ;) )

I see your point. It is a touchy with lots if coulds and couldn'ts and in and outs. I live near a hunting reservation and I am good friends with the people who live there and there is a member there that is completely blind. He has a person go out with him and tell him exactly where to shoot and its such precise instructions that he can shoot a peasant out of the air. It really is quite an awesome thing to watch. You make some good points, there are a lot of impairments that could make shooting dangerous, some can be avoided, some cannot. I think a lot of responsibility goes into shooting guns and it really needs to be respected. Also no worries on ramble, after a hard, long day at work I can barely respond with a proper response. I guess I pick and choose who I shoot with. Some people I would never, and some people always. For instance, immature guys who I know make poor decisions, never. But my pops or close friends who I've shot at the range with or have seen them use proper gun care, always. Hell I would be fine shooting with the blind guy, he understands guns and shooting and respects it. And the guy that goes with him pinpoints where to shoot so well and the guy will not even put his finger on the trigger till he is told to and pulls it when told to. Like I said, quite an amazing thing to see a blind guy shoot peasants out of the air.
 
Swarley88 said:
I see your point. It is a touchy with lots if coulds and couldn'ts and in and outs. I live near a hunting reservation and I am good friends with the people who live there and there is a member there that is completely blind. He has a person go out with him and tell him exactly where to shoot and its such precise instructions that he can shoot a peasant out of the air. It really is quite an awesome thing to watch. You make some good points, there are a lot of impairments that could make shooting dangerous, some can be avoided, some cannot. I think a lot of responsibility goes into shooting guns and it really needs to be respected. Also no worries on ramble, after a hard, long day at work I can barely respond with a proper response. I guess I pick and choose who I shoot with. Some people I would never, and some people always. For instance, immature guys who I know make poor decisions, never. But my pops or close friends who I've shot at the range with or have seen them use proper gun care, always. Hell I would be fine shooting with the blind guy, he understands guns and shooting and respects it. And the guy that goes with him pinpoints where to shoot so well and the guy will not even put his finger on the trigger till he is told to and pulls it when told to. Like I said, quite an amazing thing to see a blind guy shoot peasants out of the air.

This may be an autocorrect issue, but I'm guessing you mean pheasants rather than peasants. These must be some high jumping peasants...though any peasant worth his salt asks "how high" when asked to jump.
 
This may be an autocorrect issue, but I'm guessing you mean pheasants rather than peasants. These must be some high jumping peasants...though any peasant worth his salt asks "how high" when asked to jump.

Hahahahaha yes. I am on my phone and like stated long day at work. And have had a couple whiskeys when I got home. Didn't even notice hahagaha. Damn peasants! Let the blind man shoot you!
 
To much talk about state gun laws, not enough pictures of gun porn.

All Stainless Para Ordnance LDA 45 ACP
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Springfield Armory 1911-A1

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Charles Daly 1911 Officers Model 45acp

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Old Wards/Stevens Hercules 12 gauge side by side.

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NEF Single Shot Handi-Rifle in .22 Hornet

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S&W 22A plinker

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Another 22 plinker. S&W 422

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Another Plinker S&W 10/22 Charger Pistol

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CZ75B 9mm

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Springfield Armory XD 9mm

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Older Makarov

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There may or may not be more sitting around somewhere.


Oh and one in progress.

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And since this is the guns and beer thread.

S&W 432PD with a Home Brewed Nut Brown and some grub on the grill.

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Oh and the Lee Single stage that feeds them all.

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To much talk about state gun laws, not enough pictures of gun porn.

All Stainless Para Ordnance LDA 45 ACP

Springfield Armory 1911-A1

Charles Daly 1911 Officers Model 45acp

Old Wards/Stevens Hercules 12 gauge side by side.

NEF Single Shot Handi-Rifle in .22 Hornet

S&W 22A plinker

Another 22 plinker. S&W 422

Another Plinker S&W 10/22 Charger Pistol

CZ75B 9mm

Springfield Armory XD 9mm

Older Makarov

There may or may not be more sitting around somewhere.

Oh and one in progress.

Saweet guns sir! Very nice collection.
 
In this case ... and one of the only cases I know of beside driving... beer in moderation... when combined with guns...
 
I picked this up on Ebay for like 10 bucks. I should get some good reaction in Boston tomorrow. Btw, they run small, the xl is a bit snug, if you decide to get one.
 
NICE!!! You should swing over this weekend... We're having an 80% build party. :ban:

I don't have my lowers yet! I have a lpk though, lol. I have everything, some on order, to build my AR. The complete upper is going to be about 3 months.....
 
I don't have my lowers yet! I have a lpk though, lol. I have everything, some on order, to build my AR. The complete upper is going to be about 3 months.....

We're processing the raw lowers, not waiting for the anodized. Since we can get them hit with Cerakote for <$10 each (the amount refunded if we go raw instead of anodized) it makes enough sense to get the raw. I'm getting set up to anodize at home too. I hope to be ready to do that come next weekend.
 
My friends .22 IJ Target Model 1900. Don't know too much about it, has an octagon barrel. Pretty old and cool revolver.

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We're processing the raw lowers, not waiting for the anodized. Since we can get them hit with Cerakote for <$10 each (the amount refunded if we go raw instead of anodized) it makes enough sense to get the raw. I'm getting set up to anodize at home too. I hope to be ready to do that come next weekend.

What don't you make? Haha I'm jealous with the amount of craftsmanship you can do.
 
What don't you make? Haha I'm jealous with the amount of craftsmanship you can do.

Not much. IF I can manage to get the funding for a CNC mill, the list of what I can't make will be reduced even more. Having a good source for practice metal also helps. I'll be making a micro-cannon for another HBT member this week.
 
It's a work-in-progress, but at least it's begun... I'll post more pics as it gets closer to being completed... Need some more time on the lathe to complete it.
BTW, this is for a forum member... :D

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It's for .177 cal, so the bore is .180". Total length should be about 3". Like I said, a micro-cannon... Started off as a 5/8" OD piece of stainless steel. :ban:
 
Seriously, a micro cannon!? it looks pretty sweet!

I bought some more pmags and a moe carbine moe handguard from Midway. I have a complete upper from Windham coming in hopefully within 2 months (90-120 days lead time). My 2 lowers will hopefully be in by the end of the month June/ early July, coming with 2 free poly lowers (since code red has taken forever shipping these). I already have the LPK, 6 pos. stock, and rear flip up sight.
 
I have 12 30 round .223/5.56 NATO mags and 4 20 round pre-ban mags now. I'm looking at building up a 300 Blackout pistol as soon as possible. Also have chunk of aluminum that I can make an AR10 lower out of (just need access to a CNC mill).

I'm selling a pair of polymer AR15 lowers right now. One had the LPK already installed.

You should swing over some time soon.

Going to Acme Armament shortly to get some supplies... Planning on making a .45 cal cannon soon too.
 
I'll def need help with the lpk install, very busy next few weeks. Hopefully get my lowers in a month.
 
Working on making a mist lubricant/cooling system for the lathe today. I had almost all the parts needed already. Just had to get one fitting for the air line. Going to make the nozzle fitting on the lathe to use with it. Then I'll test it out with some water to make sure it works well, before using it with the soluble oil solution. I might even install the fitting so that I can let the lathe bed drain into something else. That should keep things more under control.
 
Here's one of my Rugers, it's a Super Redhawk Alaskan .44 mag. I only carry it on special occasions.
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I have an SR1911 and SR9 that I carry sometimes in cooler weather, but my EDC is a Taurus PT745 that I have carried all day everyday for 5 years now, and have run close to 4000 rounds through, and the thing has never failed me. Fortunately, I live in a state that is quite 2nd amendment friendly, and also have a great employer who allows me to carry while at work.

I just hate having to drive by the local liquor store on my way to Kentucky when I run out of beer on Sunday. I know, I know, poor planning.
 
I just snagged an Umbrella Corp grip in FDE! I'm desperately waiting for their uppers to come back in stock. Hopefully I'll be awake and ready to purchase because they'll be available for 20 minutes. :(
 
Seriously, a micro cannon!? it looks pretty sweet!

I bought some more pmags and a moe carbine moe handguard from Midway. I have a complete upper from Windham coming in hopefully within 2 months (90-120 days lead time). My 2 lowers will hopefully be in by the end of the month June/ early July, coming with 2 free poly lowers (since code red has taken forever shipping these). I already have the LPK, 6 pos. stock, and rear flip up sight.

Update on the micro-cannon...

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Trunnions installed.
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Still have a little bit to do on the micro-cannon before I'll say it's 100% finished.
 
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