Beer and guns

[PapsD]

You can only use steel or non toxic shot for waterfowl. They outlawed lead shot for waterfowl hunting federally a long time ago. There are alternatives to steel like hevi-shot or tungsten matrix but they are expensive.

Some of the non toxic alternatives are safe to use in older fixed choke guns.

The 3 1/2" 12 gauge was made for steel shot to help overcome its velocity and pattern density issues.

In most states you can still use lead shot to hunt upland birds but check the local laws first especially if you're hunting public land.

 

[C38368]

Yeah, lead is illegal everywhere for waterfowl. I use steel exclusively, and 2 3/4 has proven more than sufficient. Same for geese, though if I seriously expect to be taking a shot at some, I will swap to BB loads.

 

[PapsD]

Hey whatever works for you. It doesn't matter how big the shell is as long as it patterns well. I'd be a little skittish about shooting steel shot out of a model 12.

I personally don't like steel shot and shoot lead as much as possible. But I mostly shoot trap anymore.

 

[Crashola]

I remember years ago when non-toxic shot for waterfowl first became mandatory. I had an older Remington 870 that had a fixed full choke barrel. The information back then was that old full chokes and steel did not mix. Options were to; (1) avoid steel shot; (2) have a gunsmith open up the choke; or (3) get a different barrel. I opted for No. 3 and got a new Remington barrel with changeable chokes. The full choke tube that came with the new barrel specifically stated that it was ok for steel.

 

[PapsD]

I've also heard different things about steel shot and fixed chokes. But mostly I've heard that they don't mix.

I've heard the old Miroku A5's where ok to shoot steel out of but not the Belgian A5's.

I have a few fixed choke guns but I play it safe and don't shoot steel shot with them. They aren't high dollar guns but I can't get a barrel for one of them.

 

[Golddiggie]

Just for the F of it...

Two of my favorite things...

 

[sweed]

Bought this assault 22 today.





Lol, jk, just a Marlin 795. Now I just have to find ammo!

 

[BottleItUp]

Good luck finding any, at least around here I'd have better luck looking for centerfire than rimfire.

Don't keep live honey badgers for protecting your beer from gnomes, use the American Honey Badger.



*photo credit to the gear scout, that is not my gun*

 

[BottleItUp]

Just for the F of it...


Two of my favorite things...

Or...

.357 magnum 1.8" barrel hot handloads, when .45ACP muzzle flash just isn't enough.

Don't ask how I know that.....

 

[Golddiggie]

I'm in the process of building an AR15, or .223/5.56 NATO, pistol. I have the lower, LPK installed, pistol buffer tube (with buffer and spring), and upper already. Just need to get the BCG, barrel, gas block, gas tube and a few other parts to complete it. I might opt for a heavier buffer (4.6oz or 5.2oz instead of the stock 3oz) to reduce recoil. With a 7.5" barrel, I might need the heavier buffer.

Earlier picture of the AR pistol, in progress. I'll take a new picture in the next few days.

Also made one [rear] take-down pin from stainless round stock today. Need to work on it a little more to make it 100% as I want. Or make another one with the slight alteration to it. I'm making it with enough to the right side so that you can simply grab it from that side without issue. Once I have it as I want, I'll post up a picture of it. My friend, with a mini-mill is going to put the groove (and detent holes) in it for me. I might make a few of them and replace the stock ones as I want.

 

[woknblues]

Bought this assault 22 today.



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Lol, jk, just a Marlin 795. Now I just have to find ammo!


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Sure would love a hi capacity mag for my 795...

 

[BottleItUp]

Cool project you've got going there! Wish I would have bought a stripped pistol lower back in November when they could still be had.

Depending on your barrel/gas/muzzle device/bca you might need that light buffer. Always better to be gassed right rather than over or under.

 

[Golddiggie]

Cool project you've got going there! Wish I would have bought a stripped pistol lower back in November when they could still be had.

Depending on your barrel/gas/muzzle device/bca you might need that light buffer. Always better to be gassed right rather than over or under.

Lowers are non-specific. IF you're going to make it into a pistol, and not a SBR, you just get/install the pistol buffer tube onto it. No shoulder stock on it means it's NOT a SBR so it's not a NFA item and requires no extra fed payoff to own.

You can get a lower from any of the many sources, or get an 80% lower and finish it yourself (NO FFL needed, since it's not considered a FFL item, but a paperweight in that condition). I have one AR15 and one AR10 80% lower coming that will be finished by me. I'll then be able to build up rifles around those. These will be 'homemade' firearms, which is 100% legal to do. If you don't live in a 'nanny state' you have a LOT more options available to you.

One of the projects I'm looking forward to is to make a sound moderation device for my AR's. I just need to figure out the baffle design on that.

 

[BottleItUp]

Wasn't aware of that....if I knew.....oh well, I'd probably have found a way to spend another three grand on another AR.

Not particular into finishing a receiver, but on that topic of short "rifles", an AK pistol certainly would be neat.

You can buy a piece of metal you bend and weld yourself (the lower receiver). I hear it's pretty easy. Not AR barrel mounting easy, but easy none the less.

First it won't suffer so much from a short barrel, second no buffer tube. Conceal carry AK pistol?

Didn't know you could make your own suppressor? Surely the ATF has their claws into those too.

 

[Golddiggie]

Wasn't aware of that....if I knew.....oh well, I'd probably have found a way to spend another three grand on another AR.

Not particular into finishing a receiver, but on that topic of short "rifles", an AK pistol certainly would be neat.

You can buy a piece of metal you bend and weld yourself (the lower receiver). I hear it's pretty easy. Not AR barrel mounting easy, but easy none the less.

First it won't suffer so much from a short barrel, second no buffer tube. Conceal carry AK pistol?

Didn't know you could make your own suppressor? Surely the ATF has their claws into those too.

Three grand on an AR??? That's "full on retard" pricing. I'll spend far less than that to finish my AR pistol. Hell, I paid less than 1/3 of that for my current AR15 rifle.

I know of someone that has made AK receivers from a shovel before. IMO, too much work. I can get an 80% AR15 lower for <$75 and just finish it. For about $10 (per lower) I can have it Cerakoted so it's protected.

You can get piston driven AR's too. Just costs a bit more compared to the regular gas driven system.

Good luck in trying to actually conceal that AK pistol. Unless you have a long coat, it's not going to happen. Not going to happen much with an AR pistol either. I have an ambi sling mount on mine, so I can just carry it that way. Use a single point sling and you're fine.

As for the sound moderation device, the ATF wants their $200 for the stamp, just like if you buy one. I'll just save the $500+ on the actual device by making it myself. I've also found out that I can work on the baffle design before submitting the form for the stamp. The materials to build one will come out to far less than what you pay to get one pre-made. You just need to know where to get the materials. Not sure if that will be made this calendar year, or not. Might be a project for next year.

BTW, IMO, AK's are just ugly. I'd rather have an EBR.

 

[BottleItUp]

I agree it would be nuts if it is a hunting gun but that's not what it's for. I probably should have spent more but can't justify replacing the optic that's on there now, nor do I plan on putting a night vision unit in front of it so...as long as I don't get killed over it I'm fine. This ain't a fun gun.

Wasn't serious about CC an AK pistol. Both are ungodly large, and if someone has that kind of threat against them, they'd be better off just having an SBR'd AR. And body armor.

I agree AK's are ugly, but at least it ain't as bad as aunt bertha the SKS. But hey both look and work the same when operated from a rice paddy.

Used to use a single point sling until I needed to go hands free. The teeth from my flash suppressor ripped into my calf pretty good. That being said if you don't need hands free the single is awfully nice for shooting switch.

 

[Golddiggie]

I agree it would be nuts if it is a hunting gun but that's not what it's for. I probably should have spent more but can't justify replacing the optic that's on there now, nor do I plan on putting a night vision unit in front of it so...as long as I don't get killed over it I'm fine. This ain't a fun gun.

Wasn't serious about CC an AK pistol. Both are ungodly large, and if someone has that kind of threat against them, they'd be better off just having an SBR'd AR. And body armor.

I agree AK's are ugly, but at least it ain't as bad as aunt bertha the SKS. But hey both look and work the same when operated from a rice paddy.

Used to use a single point sling until I needed to go hands free. The teeth from my flash suppressor ripped into my calf pretty good. That being said if you don't need hands free the single is awfully nice for shooting switch.

I'm looking at the single point sling for being able to easily transition from rifle to side-arm. Not sure what I'll end up using on the AR pistol. Even with a short (7.5") barrel, the thing is going to be long. If I decide to put a can on it, it will be even longer. I will at least put a good muzzle break on it, to help with climb.

I'm not about to spend $1500+ on an optic. Maybe on the AR10 I will, but that's going to be more of a loooong range rifle.

 

[BottleItUp]

I wouldn't advocate that much on an optic, unless it includes a tripler and mounts included.

Scope well of course then yeah anything long range costs big dough.

 

[jasonsbeer]

I can get an 80% AR15 lower for <$75 and just finish it.

Source?

 

[wolverinebrewer]

too much work. I can get an 80% AR15 lower for <$75

That's a great price. I just picked up a stripped lower from Palmetto SA for $119 and that's the best price I've seen since the panic started back in Dec.

I'm building it slowly as parts become available. Waiting on a Magpul stock kit and haven't totally decided on the upper parts yet.
I lucked into some PMag's last week and I'm a happy feller.

 

[Golddiggie]

Source?

There are a few... You need to look around to see who has inventory on hand. We're getting some from Ares Armor currently. Also, if you know someone with access to a CNC milling machine, you might be able to get them to produce the 80% lower that you then finish at home. I'm looking into that now too. It's a bit less than buying the 80% lower from the other sources. Of course, you'll also need to have the jig in order to complete the lower. Having friends with the CNC machines means you could get those made too. Or just buy one for use over the next many years.

With the CAD files, you have many options.

 

[Airborneguy]

I have access to a drill press. Is it really that easy to finish off an 80%? From what I've seen so far, all that's needed is a lower vise kit. Is that true? How do you ensure you properly line up all of the holes?

 

[Accidic]

Having *A* beer or maybe even two while firing a gun is a vast difference than mainlining vodka or whiskey out on a shoot. Personally I wouldn't chose to do the latter although I've known people who do. The former isn't necessarily that bad. Even drunk driving testing showed some increase in capability at lower levels although the propaganda they put out now a days would lead you to believe otherwise.

 

[Golddiggie]

I won't drink while shooting. Once done shooting, though, is a different matter. Having will power makes it easy.

 

[Accidic]

2 beers is my limit within a given hour window of shooting and maybe an extra single each hour after that at best if it's a session beer. I refuse to drink hard liquor while shooting. I also won't drink if I'm shooting anywhere but up into the air. Until I start taking planes out of the air during dove season I figure that's reasonable.

 

[Airborneguy]

I won't drink while shooting or be around anyone who I know has had alcohol and is armed.

 

[Accidic]

I suppose I can see that stance but in the same respect, a person with bottomed out blood sugar would be much more of a risk than someone who's had "A beer." Heck, even two most likely... But I'm not about to ask people around me to take a glucose test before they load up... Actually, correct that, I might actually require my wife to commit to a blood sugar test before I'll be around her armed. When her blood sugar is low her judgement is horrific and sways as much as a drunk.

 

[BottleItUp]

Very true, when blood sugar is very low you really do lack the ability to think. Definitely much more than someone who has had a beer or two. Or you could pass out with a loaded gun in your hand. Always a bad idea.

 

[Airborneguy]

I'm failing to see how the possibility of a particular person having low blood sugar justifies drinking while shooting.

 

[Swarley88]

I am too, if a person has low blood sugar knows that they do. Which it seems like they would if they are old enough to be shooting guns. Then they would know the risks and make sure that they had the proper levels, if they were worried about their health that is. Unlike in the situation where drinking is intentially making yourself intoxicated and could lead to someone being hurt. Now 1-2 beers probably is fine but any more, or hard booze, could for sure lead to unseen consequences.