bars and dogs

[Pascal]

It's actually illegal here to allow dogs in pubs. Against food and safety code I believe. I've brought my sisters dog to the pub a few times and sat on the patio, as have others. I like it and it's a good way of socializing your pet.

 

[Bernie Brewer]

I love dogs but 98% of dog owners feel their dog is well trained and I doubt half are correct.

A dog section on the patio is cool but I don't want to feel bad when I step on your mutt's tail when its crowded.

Also, even well trained dogs snap at each other at times.

Or, dog bites patron, patron would more likely sue the bar as it is insured

Very good points all. Bringing a dog to a crowded bar could lead to undue anxiety for the dog, thus leading to a bite, and also thus leading to a lawsuit. Not to mention some drunk might decide to use your dog as his own personal stress relief, and kick the sh!t out of it, because, "hell, it is just a damned dog"......

Also, my dog is as gentle as they come (purebred Golden Retriever), but she has VERY little tolerance for non-neutered males after one too many advances from my friend's overly amorous Shepherd......

 

[cimirie]

Not to mention some drunk might decide to use your dog as his own personal stress relief, and kick the sh!t out of it, because, "hell, it is just a damned dog"......

The day some drunk does that to my dog is the day he finds out what the inside of an emergency room looks like with a busted skull. Defense of personal property is 100% justified in Florida and I would take full liberties with the term "defense."

 

[Bernie Brewer]

The day some drunk does that to my dog is the day he finds out what the inside of an emergency room looks like with a busted skull. Defense of personal property is 100% justified in Florida and I would take full liberties with the term "defense."

That is easy to say, and you may well do it. But that would do nothing to bring your dog back. Perhaps it is best just to leave your dog at home.

 

[Airborneguy]

I was the person who started this, and will certainly reiterate it.

I rescued my dog at work. I lied to my boss when he ordered me to bring him to the shelter. I left my area of work to drop him off at my friends house (waking him up at 3am), so I could pick him up after work. I fought with my wife when she suggested that my newborn daughter was allergic to him and he had to go... I love my dog and animals in general.

But I never want to see a strange dog in a bar, and will probably walk out if I have the choice of another bar nearby. Due to my employment I've dealt with animals doing some crazy stuff, and don't believe that dogs should be welcome inside of public places without good reason, especially bars (no need to describe the typical bar environment on a beer forum...)

I was extremely turned off when I entered the bar in question and saw a dog in there. It seemed well enough behaved, but one accidental bump into its owner...

 

[NirvanaFan]

Problem is, you can't have your cake and eat it too. So I'd say no to dogs in a bar. If a bar says they allow dogs they'll have to allow all dogs or none at all. That would be like a restaurant saying kids are allowed but if they start crying they'll have to leave.

Why can't a restaurant ask patrons to leave if their child is being unruly? A private business can say that the unruly child is creating an atmosphere that stops other patrons from coming in and enjoying themselves and they will lose business because of it. See this MSNBC link here.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39075...rents-no-screaming-kids-allowed/#.TnqAVqjwlU0

 

[Refly]

I lived in England for a few years for a work assignment and it was fairly common to see dogs in pubs particularly out in the country. You went for a walk or a hike with your dog, stopped for a pint and went about your day. It was never an issue and it was part of having a local pub that was meant for families socializing rather than people trying to get falling down drunk. Looking back, I miss it. Long Island is is one of the more dog-unfriendly places you will find.

There's a reason dog's are known as man's best friend. If they are well behaved I can't see why they wouldn't be allowed in a bar. I've never seen one that wasn't sitting quietly or sleeping. People usually know if their dogs are capable behaving.

If the bar is more of a restaurant I can see where it's a problem - not so much for the food cleanliness issue, but just that serving food and navigating dogs can be a problem. I've been in places that actually had a dog curfew during peak mealtimes.

 

[rexbanner]

My Lab goes wherever he's allowed to go. A few weeks ago, we hit Put in bay, Ohio and did a bar crawl. He was allowed in every single bar. Very dog friendly island. He picked up every chick on the island in those bars.

I agree well trained dogs are welcome in my book. If not in the bar (for food service reasons), at least out on the patio/deck.[/quote]

That is one handsome dog you've got.

Here's my baby boy, he's a red setter. He's really laid back and loves everyone. He is also a chick magnet, he's got that setter strut.

[IMG]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v619/243/36/544914456/n544914456_1085742_720.jpg

If you have a great dog, please bring him or her everywhere. I love dogs. I agree with no dogs in the restaurant, but patios are fine.

 

[bh10]

That is one handsome dog you've got.

Here's my baby boy, he's a red setter. He's really laid back and loves everyone. He is also a chick magnet, he's got that setter strut.

If you have a great dog, please bring him or her everywhere. I love dogs. I agree with no dogs in the restaurant, but patios are fine.

Beautiful dog, he actually looks a lot like one of my golden retrievers.

 

[frydogbrews]

first, the idea that a dog is some sort of ticking time bomb and you bump into his owner and he's gonna go apesh*t on you is ridiculous. as someone pointed out, most people who take dogs everywhere (mostly medium to large sized dogs) are acutely aware of how the pooch reacts in almost any given environment. as i said, one of mine is very laid back and comes with me everywhere (including work) so when i stop for errands on the way home, he is there. he is allowed places that other dogs are not allowed (hardware store, the market, lots of places)
what i have found is if you just walk into almost any place with a well trained animal, no one will bug you. our other dog is more high strung and he doesn't get to come as many places with us because he is not appropriate.
i like most dogs far far more than most strangers.
i pretty much have my answer i was looking for when i started this thread though.

about half of you like dogs and want them around
others seem to like dogs, but don't want them around.

on vacation in st george island, fl a few weeks ago, a local bar had a menu item named after a local dog because it was what the dog ate when he came in, which was frequently. it was two hot dogs cut up and covered in shredded cheese. i wouldn't feed that to my pooches, but he was an old old bloodhound and deserved the treat. he came in once when we were there and everyone in the bar was happy to see him.
**related point, that island is extremely dog friendly, if anyone is looking to take a vacation to a non touristy beach and take their pooches with them everywhere, go there. some of you would hate it.***

 

[Hugh_Jass]

In the next life, I'd like to come back as a Schooner Wharf bar dog.

 

[frydogbrews]

just so you know who i'm talking about here:

bender, he's generally full of beans, but still young. inner hound will take over soon.

Fry, he's as chill as a dog can get.

 

[Tinga]

I love dogs in ski and bike shops but I think having a dog in a restaurant would be a little weird. Sounds like a health code violation.

 

[frydogbrews]

I love dogs in ski and bike shops but I think having a dog in a restaurant would be a little weird. Sounds like a health code violation.

for the most part, they don't do the cooking. i mean, if they are getting crushed, maybe Fry would take orders but he's pretty slow.

 

[ceannt]

I used to hang out in a bar years ago that had a rug in the corner for the owners Blue Tick Hound.... (name of "Bouncer") all he ever did was snore..... No problem at all with dogs in a bar, or anyplace else.... I prepare food with three of 'em in the kitchen....

 

[passedpawn]

just so you know who i'm talking about here:

bender, he's generally full of beans, but still young. inner hound will take over soon.

Fry, he's as chill as a dog can get.

I'd love to hang with those dogs at my local watering hole. Prolly make better patrons that half the fools there.

 

[Homercidal]

I think it would be gross to have a dog in a place that serves or prepares food.

Cause you know, that's different from my HOUSE where the dogs walk around everywhere; living room, bathroom, kitchen...

Besides that, I would think that a dogs owner would be as able to know if his dog would be trouble at least as well as he'd be able to know if his buddy would behave after a few drinks...

 

[rhamilton]

I love dogs too but I don't think they have a place inside bars/restaurants. Patios are fine since patrons who don't like dogs could always go back inside but there is just something weird about a bunch of dogs inside. I wouldn't support any laws enforcing it -- since IMO, it's the business-owner's decision.

Where I live dogs are always on patios where the business allows it. I've never seen or heard of an incident so far *knock on wood*. My friend used to take his Great Dane to a local bar patio at night and he would sit with his paws on the table and look around while we were drinking -- just like another 'one of the guys'. I don't see an issue with that... and I never heard anyone complain either...

 

[cfonnes]

If having dogs in a restaurant is a health code violation, how would allowing service animals not be a violation.

Service animals are allowed in restaurants, and every were else, in this state.

 

[IrregularPulse]

Even if "most" are well trained and behaved, there are plenty of idiots out there just toting their dogs around for show and tell. These yahoos stop in for a bite to eat at the local bar/restaurant and the dog snaps at my kid (yes the bar/restaurants in my town are family friendly during the afternoon and early evening), that is not cool. We don't go to a restaurant to put ourselves at risk with unknown animals. If a shop of hardware store has a "shop dog" I think that's great. That animal is obviously ok with people or it wouldn't be there every day.

 

[bovineblitz]

At CBC people bring their dogs occasionally and sit outside, the dogs usually hang out under the table. I've seen this 5 or 6 times this summer and they've all been well-behaved. One dog barked a couple times but it wasn't a problem.

I don't mind as long as they're well behaved. I don't think it would be appropriate to bring them indoors though.

 

[Bernie Brewer]

If having dogs in a restaurant is a health code violation, how would be allowing service animals not be a violation.

Service animals are allowed in restaurants, and every were else, in this state.

Service animals are the exception to the rule.

 

[frydogbrews]

Even if "most" are well trained and behaved, there are plenty of idiots out there just toting their dogs around for show and tell. .

i've never known this to be true, at least not around here. i only see well behaved dogs around at these sorts of places. a poorly trained dog is a pain in the butt for the owner to have in public more than anyone else i think.


your kid is more likely to get sick from food born illness or sick from all the germs at popular restaurants (why do they stick their hands in their mouths all the time!!!)
anything can happen, but they are an extreme rarity and the majority should not be punished for the actions of a fraction.
this is a good conversation though, thanks everybody for weighing in.

 

[Airplanedoc]

well trained dogs ?

Above is the key. The same applies for peoples children.

 

[Homercidal]

Let's not forget that bar owners/managers are free to refuse service to anyone based on their state of being, whether it's disruption, or repulsive odor, or anything else that would create a disturbance to the establishment, and is not based on race, ethnicity, etc.

So if I were to walk into a bar with some dog **** stuck to my shoe, I could be turned away, while my dog might be allowed to stay and have a beer.

 

[Airborneguy]

Speaking of what Homercidal just brought up, I never said dogs shouldn't be allowed in bars. I just probably won't stay in one that has a dog(s) in it. Private property rights are pretty clear on decisions like this.

 

[audger]

Dogs don't belong in bars. I can't believe this is even a point of discussion.

this. im a big dog person myself, but food service is not a place for pets. not necessarily becase your dog is dirty/misbehaved/not properly supervised, but because there are a lot of other peoples' dogs that are.

i dont trust the average stranger enough to assume their dog is trained and well behaved. too many people out there shouldnt be alowed to raise dogs, let alone children. if a private club wants to allow their members to bring pets, fine. but it should not be a general rule for the general public.

 

[cfrazier77]

Women love dogs. Nash goes everywhere I can take him.

 

[Spork]

I wouldn't mind if someone brought their dog to an outside patio, but not inside (I've considered bringing my dog to our local bar's patio a few times). I say this as a dog owner, and someone who also has dog allergies.

 

[bh10]

Above is the key. The same applies for peoples children.

ding. ding. ding. I also throw in adults too.