Avangard German Pale Malt question Beersmith

[brewprint]

I just picked up a 55lb bag of this and they said it is 2-row just cheaper and better.

What is it called in Beersmith? German Pilsner?

Thanks!

 

[cilestiok]

I just picked up a 55lb bag of this and they said it is 2-row just cheaper and better.



What is it called in Beersmith? German Pilsner?



Thanks!

Beer smith doesn't have an add on for them yet but I would just treat it as a pale malt.

EDIT: I never used it but if someone said it's a cheap 2-row I would treat it as "Brewers malt" in the grain list.

 

[Qhrumphf]

Avangard malts haven't been added into BeerSmith. Using German Pilsner will work. You can also enter it yourself- most of your relevant data is here: http://onlinebeerscores.com/blog/avangard-pilsner-malt/. The ppg value calculates to ~1.036.

Edit: Here's the Pale Malt data https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=501495, which is slightly lower extract, but 1.036 should still be close enough.

 

[brewprint]

I appreciate that info!

It was only cheap because I bought it at a brewery and I don't think they're making much of a profit.

A lot of that post that was sighted I don't really understand or want to mess with. I just plugged in German Pilsner Malt which says it's 2-row in beersmith. It's gotta be close enough I'm sure.

If I hit a starting gravity of 1.066 doing a 2 Hearted Clone I'll be satisfied. The brewmaster said it has a better efficiency than American 2-row. We shall see.

 

[Qhrumphf]

Efficiency has little to do with the malt itself. That's a system issue. It looks to be about the same extract potential as most other base grains. I don't use their pale or pilsner (I prefer the flavor of Weyermann and buy them by the 55lb sack), but I haven't personally been impressed by their Munich or Vienna malts. Extract is good, but I don't really like the flavor compared to Weyermann. But as far as a German malt goes, it's certainly inexpensive.

 

[Schmoltsbeer]

Efficiency has little to do with the malt itself. That's a system issue. It looks to be about the same extract potential as most other base grains. I don't use their pale or pilsner (I prefer the flavor of Weyermann and buy them by the 55lb sack), but I haven't personally been impressed by their Munich or Vienna malts. Extract is good, but I don't really like the flavor compared to Weyermann. But as far as a German malt goes, it's certainly inexpensive.

It may have better than average sugar levels, I was using Avanguard Pils a couple of years ago and consistently got greater than 80 percent apparent mash efficiency while using it. That efficiency compared to other malts that generally provided about 72-75 percent efficiency using the same equipment and methods. There is a thread where others were noting the same phenomenon as well.

 

[Qhrumphf]

It may have better than average sugar levels, I was using Avanguard Pils a couple of years ago and consistently got greater than 80 percent apparent mash efficiency while using it. That efficiency compared to other malts that generally provided about 72-75 percent efficiency using the same equipment and methods. There is a thread where others were noting the same phenomenon as well.

Perhaps I just haven't used them in enough quantity to notice a difference. The Bière de Garde I brewed on Tuesday was ~33% Avangard Munich (which I can't get the Weyermann any more, not happy about it), but got the same exact efficiency I usually get (actually 0.5% low). May be different with their Pils and Pale malts.

 

[Schmoltsbeer]

My experience was with pils. I got consistently 8-10 points higher than usual. It was also two summers ago, so maybe it was that year? I haven't used much pils lately.

 

[Qhrumphf]

Side note that it's not actually efficiency changing but rather just more/less extract from the grains not accounted for. Point is that I fell 0.3 °P shy of target.

 

[Schmoltsbeer]

You are correct, it wasn't efficiency. It was a higher yielding grain. I'm sorry you didn't share my experiences, I merely wanted to share the possibility of higher extraction.

 

[brewprint]

Sounds like a better deal if more extraction is achieved

I'll find out soon when I do a 2 Hearted clone in a couple of weeks or so.

 

[stpug]

I was HIGHLY disappointed with Avangard Pale Ale malt. Sweet, twangy, dark wort. It was not a substitute for pale brewers malt for me - at all! I found it's wort color to be on par with vienna or light munich (6-7.5°L). The only place I found it useful was dark, roasty beers (but not so much that I'd use it instead of another pale ale malt). That's the only avangard offering I have disliked. The pils, munich light, vienna, wheat have all been great.

Regarding higher-than-expected potential of the avangard pilsner malt: My first sack had the same high potential that many people experienced (~1.041ppg). After that sack though they were all back to normal potential (~1.037ppg). Regardless, their pilsner is a great offering without the extra huskiness/graininess that is often found in belgian pilsners. It's a nice mellow, middle-of-the-road pilsner in my book.